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Global Warming
I am sorry if I sound repetitive. But the subject is so hilariously abrupt, that I just cannot avoid writing about it. Since last three days two of my closest friends kept stressing on dangers of global warming, and today I am writing it again.
It is not like I am against the fact that climate is changing. Climate do change, it is the basic property of climate. If climate wouldn’t have changed, could we have had any possibility of existence? Dinosaurs might not have let us thrive. Climate changed that’s why the mammals grew and spread all over, and we humans are one of the species who won the race of adaptation accordingly.
No matters what we do, climate will never stop changing. As we say in Hindi, “Parivartan Sansaar Ka Niyam Hai”, it is a natural rule of the climate and environment to keep changing, it is unavoidable.
So what should be done? Only that can be done which the human is constantly doing since the eons of his existence. That is, to keep adapting and winning over the climate, keep changing accordingly and use the climate and change most proficiently, exploiting the climate for the benefit of Human Kind. That is the reality which cannot be ignored.
Man can do nothing else.
Last month, a worldwide joke was staged by the hooligans of the global warming gang. On March 29, at evening, cities whole round the world put their lights and electricity off for a period of an hour, which they named Earth Hour. The basic concept was, to spread awareness about the dangers of global warming. Residential lights were shut off, even the great buildings like Sydney Opera House, remained dark for those 60 minutes.
Can you imagine life without electricity? It was organized to make public think how to reduce energy consumptions and hence carbon emissions, though the organizers accepted that the dark for an hour affected nothing on carbon emission. Every now and then, people shout that global warming is real and serious. The public discussion forums are full of heated debates on global warming; they keep using electricity for their fun for debating to prove that there is a catastrophe lurking around.
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Such predictions have always been disputed, and will be done again and again, by various sober scientists skeptical of the global warming Myth.
Yet, the fact which is kept hidden by these propagandist of global warming is, if the greenhouse gases will be reduced to the limits they suggests, it will cause a greater harm by itself. Greenhouse gases are essential for life.
Now these politically motivated environmentalists demand for a huge reduction in carbon emissions, like about 75 percent below the 1990’s limits. What that means? Fossil fuels are the major resource of electrical energy, 86 percent of whole world energy in 2005 was produced by fossil fuels. So, to reduce it to 75% of 1990 levels, it needs to hugely reduce our energy utilization. Common people never realize what they mean actually. The fact is, we just cannot live without energy. We take it for granted, and never think of how much profit we gain from it and how dependent we are on it. we use cars, and bikes for going to schools and offices, we use gas for making food, we use air conditions , coolers, heaters, we use computers, laptops, fans, lifts elevators…every step of our life is dependent on electricity.
Can one live in Alaska or Siberia or Ohio or even London without heaters?
Can one live in Rajasthan, or Mumbai or Madhya Pradesh, or some part in Bangkok, Malaysia, or central Asia, or Africa without cooling systems?
People don’t realize what sacrifice these environmentalists “actually” demands from us, and thinks that by roping a tree in their garden or letting one bulb off they are doing great.
Nah, they are just getting befooled and bemused. By switching off light for an hour, while they always knew that after 60 minutes all will be same, they thought they saved earth. They thought so, because earth was never in danger. There is simply no catastrophe going to happen, it’s all myth. But consider this, if that earth Hour is extended to an earth day, or an Earth Month, or Earth year? That is, no electricity for a day, or a month or an year. No one will agree, because it’s useless. For an hour, it was like party time.
In reality, it is all political illusion created for the benefits of those politicians.
We just cannot live without energy, and for energy we need to exploit nature. If fossil fuel usage will be reduced for a degree, then nuclear electric plants will have to be implanted. Now how this nuclear electric plant came in existence? By technology, technology provided the alternative, not these environmentalists’ philosophers and politicians.
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What are they demanding? They have no consideration about how our life with reduced electric consumption or without any electricity, what only they demand is to whip the middle class whole round the world and deny them electricity with their much demanded draconian laws on carbon-reduction, applying carbon taxes, absolute bans on further thermal power plants. Doesn’t it sound creepy?
Even today, electricity is not available in villages of India. So, will those villages remain always in dark and will never grow above the dark ages? Not only that, they even don’t want the middle class of cities to have facility of electricity.
It is a sure reality, that with all climate changes, Earth and Humanity has no danger, and not a single man on earth is going to die because of global warming Myth, but this is a bigger reality, that if these propagandists got success in their mad run, they will sure cause a catastrophe on earth by cutting carbon emission. Because to exploit resources, is essential for living. With those carbon and electricity taxes, what will remain in the hands of the poor and middle class whole round the world? Right from medical gynecologist operation theaters to morgues, we need electricity at every step, and every step there will further taxes and bans and loot. What they really want is to make us feel guilty of being alive, destroy our economy, destruct every hope and happiness we can cater, and deny the simple scientific facts for their own madness of political benefits.
Some people suggest that it’s the western propaganda against developing world. It is further nuisance; in fact, it is the major attack on developed nations and developing nations combined by the socialists/communistic crap, it is against freedom, it is against liberty, and it is against capitalism.
It is all a try to reduce the advancement of Humanity to the savage of dark ages again. They want to stop and cull the industrial revolution. They want to ban the producers, the hard workers, the innovators. They want to destroy the spirit of human to excel over environment and turn it for the favor of humanity, and that is the real danger.
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32 Responses to “The catastrophe lovers want to return to Dark Ages”
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Tshhar Mangal Says:
May 1st, 2008 at 1:43 amGreat point raised
Arun Kumar Says:
May 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm“it’s the western propaganda against developing world. It is further nuisance; in fact, it is the major attack on developed nations and developing nations combined by the socialists/communistic ****, it is against freedom, it is against liberty, and it is against capitalism.”
God…u get absolutely pissed when somebody try to push something into u???
But its a good point…instead of goin back to ‘Flintstones’…we must learn to adapt…
Sarah Rahman Says:
May 1st, 2008 at 2:48 pmAn informative piece of writing highlighting important points which should be considered.
Keep it up!
ArUn raFi Says:
May 1st, 2008 at 2:53 pmnot quite buying your point..even i had thought around your lines earlier bt cudnt satisfy me.whats wrong if i use a cfl instead of a bulb!!adapting is what we are doing to the global warming scenario..we are finding out better and better ways to conserve energy..i mean u cant give a natural explanation to the 37 inches of rain in a single day in bombay ryt..
we actually stopped the hole in artic cos f reduced emmisions..thr r lot of other thinkers on the line that ther will be no oil shortage and everythng is a farce bt then whats wrong in trying to better the environment.i am sure india wont accept measures tht cripple the growth..i can go on and on..i ll do it some other time i guess..
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm@arun rafi.
You can keep going on and on, it will prove nothing.
Abrupt rains in Bombay are nothing new, 26-28inches rains are just common occurring there. And the last record was 33inches in 1910 which was broken by this 37 inches rainfall.
So a rainfall in a day will make you stop using electricity? Now that is great.
You may and should use cfl, that will help no one. 10 years ago, if out of 100 people, 60 were using electricity, now they are 80, while overall people are 120 in same area.
By using cfl you surely saves your electric bill and that should be done, For that, or for selling cfl bulbs if you are singing global warming song, then its bad advertisement.
i am sure india wont accept measures that cripple the growth..
it is Good that you bought my point.
Now lets say you pay Rs100 for 50 units of electricity per month, for same 50 units, of electricity if they starts demanding Rs 300/- per month, (obviously for the shock of global warming, they want you to use less electricity) what will you do? Sing the global warming song?
You can keep going on and on, but you have to agree with me.
Climate do change, it will change, with every sun shift, climate changes, ice age comes and goes, there is nothing new. If tsunami came, that was not first tsunami in whole history, if Katrina occurred, it was not first hurricane which occurred.
But yes, now days, we use television. Every home has it so, things are wide spread.
Now you are not going to stop watching TV to save environment, will you? It consumes allot of energy you know, and Indian electricity is 94% based on thermal power plants.
86% of Whole world’s electricity is derived by thermal power plants. and every new year, we need more electricity, it is not going to go down.
Number of television set in India in 1990 was not even 70% of number of television set in India in 2008.
ArUn raFi Says:
May 1st, 2008 at 10:23 pmthe electricity providers do charge extra during peak hours..see..its not about equating the units with cash..none will agree to be charged by 300 instead of a 100..and i am sure that wont happen anywhere in the near future..i ll assure you that..
hey..28 inches of rain might be common and fr the sake of figures 37 might look big ..but its 9 inches and i definitely dont need to tell u that 9 inches is hell of a lot of downpour..some places dont even receive 9 inches..the antartic icesheets are melting twice the rate as compared to the earlier meltdown..and this is not over a period of 100 years or something but last 5 years!!
the famous lake chad example comes straight to me..lake chad in africa is more than 20000 years old..and there it has always been replinished by monsoons..and acc to sources just in 1963 it covered about 25000sq km and now its around
1250 sq km..and there have been no kind f encroachments.well such drastic incident has never been heard off..
people will continue buying more tv s and computers and cars and everything..but can we better it?can we make it more efficient?answer lies there..
and its not gota do with my personal electricity bill..if it does help in reducing th bill..then well and good..
cheers
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 11:07 am@arun.
You can bear the guilt of destroying earth.
I will enjoy the efficiency of Man to exploit and use the earth for his survival.
I know all these climatic changes will be well accepted by man.
They say, don’t make houses and buildings, because it disturbs the centripetal magnetic force of earth core and causes seismic effects creating quakes and sea storms.
We can’t stop making buildings and homes, millions are already living on roads. So what will we do? We developed techniques and construction methods to avoid any danger of quakes. We applied latest technologies to get information’s about any sea storm or tsunami.
The thing is, now we have more data, more accuracy about seismic effects and sea storms and every minute change of the atmosphere and environment. We never had such information’s about climate. It is not like these things started just now, the thing is we are more aware of these changes now. And that is beneficial. There was no major source of CO2 at Antarctica, but now vehicles move there. So obviously things will change. It is a source of extreme oil resources that is why various countries including Russia and USA want rights over Antarctica, and these gimmicks of environmentalism are nothing but a part of politics to effect that specific step of human technology.
Furthermore, some years ago, there was shouting of Ozone hole, now it vanished. The falsehood of it got its destiny, how? Because now people can’t be befooled, now anyone can visit Antarctica and find out that there’s no danger of Ozone hole.
Your example of Antarctica ice melting, I have read such bullshits allot and have refuted them allot, its all propaganda. I can show thousands of links denying all these false. There’s no vitality in it.
Plus the 5 years idea proves it biggest false by itself. When was the Kyoto protocol signed by India?
Almost 5 years ago. So basically the idiotic ideas of environmentalists aren’t helping, they can’t stop climate from changing.
And that is true, you can’t stop it.
You can produce further technology to safeguard yourself though.
You can surely use cfl for saving world from climatic disaster; I will use cfl for saving my bills, which is more important for me.
GHOST RIDER Says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 12:33 pmthis is a serious issue…
zorba Says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 2:35 pmI am amused by the fact that responsibility of human towards its environment has been either consciously or sub-consciously not talked off .
In Islam ,man is conferred the highest status as compared to other animals and resources and i was truly aghast by this observation but only recently i understood that such high esteem is essential for human for he has the option to avail choices ,choice to act in manner conducive for him and his environment .
To me heat comes out of friction ,while friction is the product of movement and human movement both upward and downwards on the ladder of development can well be said to be the cause of global warming .
So do we need to stop the movement? or to stop what this post term as development ,surely NO for as beloved Krishna says in Gita that “KARMA” or action is something human can not escape and the scientific fact that if something don’t grow it decays points out the importance of development but then major issue is that we as human causing too much of friction in our movement which can well be reduced and is the need of hour .
What can not be good for other beings living on earth can not be good for human either for human too belongs to animal kingdom
http://www.livescience.com/environment/050621_warming_changes.html
We can shed the responsibility that comes on our shoulder being highest on the consciousness ladder .
Global warming is for real and like we can use the earthquake resistance techniques we should be ready with strategies for tackling with this problem and until we accept the presence of it no question arises for looking for the remedies.
LOve
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm@Zobra, rafi and all others who just cannot understand the importance of this achievement, who cannot understand that although Mumbai rains caused 87 deaths, but every day this industrial revolution saves millions of life, and is able to tackle any climatic change. And if this technology and progress will be suppressed whole humanity will face a danger.
On this Earth Day, I celebrate capitalism — the institution that, far more than any other, has made human lives clean, safe, dignified, and culturally rich. Capitalism is also responsible for giving people the wealth and leisure to permit them to mis-perceive nature as loving and bountiful, and to enjoy nature in a way that few of our pre-industrial ancestors could ever have enjoyed it.
So, on this Earth Day, I offer you here my essay, inspired by the work of Julian Simon, entitled ”Cleaned by Capitalism”Here are the central paragraphs:
Before refrigeration, people ran enormous risks of ingesting deadly bacteria whenever they ate meat or dairy products. Refrigeration has dramatically reduced the bacteria pollution that constantly haunted our pre-twentieth-century forebears.
We wear clean clothes; our ancestors wore foul clothes. Pre-industrial humans had no washers, dryers, or sanitary laundry detergent. Clothes were worn day after day without being washed. And when they were washed, the detergent was often made of urine.
Our bodies today are much cleaner. Sanitary soap is dirt cheap (so to speak), as is clean water from household taps. The result is that, unlike our ancestors, we moderns bathe frequently. Not only was soap a luxury until just a few generations ago, but because nearly all of our pre-industrial ancestors could afford nothing larger than minuscule cottages, there were no bathrooms (and certainly no running water). Baths, when taken, were taken in nearby streams, rivers, or ponds, often the same bodies of water used by the farm animals. Forget about shampoo, clean towels, toothpaste, mouthwash, and toilet tissue.
The interiors of our homes are immaculate compared to the squalid interiors of almost all pre-industrial dwellings. These dwellings’ floors were typically just dirt, which made the farm animals feel right at home when they wintered in the house with humans. Of course, there was no indoor plumbing. Nor were there household disinfectants, save sunlight. Unfortunately, because pre-industrial window panes were too expensive for ordinary families and because screens are an invention of the industrial age, sunlight and fresh air could be let into these cottages only by letting in insects too. Also, bizarre as it sounds to us today, the roofs of these dwellings were polluted with all manner of filthy or dangerous things. Here’s the description by historians Frances and Joseph Gies, in Life In a Medieval Village of the roofs of pre-industrial cottages::
Roofs were thatched, as from ancient times, with straw, broom or heather, or in marsh country reeds or rushes… . Thatched roofs had formidable drawbacks; they rotted from alternations of wet and dry, and harbored a menagerie of mice, rats, hornets, wasps, spiders, and birds; and above all they caught fire. Yet even in London they prevailed.
What Do Global Warmers Fear The Most?
Mobility for the masses, of course!
India’s Tata Motors has revealed its new $2,500 microcar, the Nano.If you’re anything like Rajendra Pachauri, Al Gore’s co-winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, that won’t make you happy. Courtesy of MSN.
Chief U.N. climate scientist Rajendra Pachauri, who shared last year’s Nobel Peace Prize, said last month that “I am having nightmares” about the prospect of the low-cost car.
And one more gem:
“The cheaper and cheaper vehicles become, the quicker those pollution levels will increase,” Leather said.
Peace and free trade.
suren Says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 8:03 pmthe point that climate change is a naturally occurring event and that it is only because of such a change, human colonization on earth was possible is well said and accepted. but i feel this write up is seriously lacking one point, the most important one.
What was the contribution of human beings in the past climatic changes and can we call the change which is happening now as perfectly natural?
that we cannot stop climate change may be true but atleast we can do our bit to stop expedieting the process which is more important.
we sure have to adapt and win over the climate but that has to be gradual and not as abrupt when nature can give you no time to react and survive, let alone adapting and changing.
i would not comment about the politics involved around this global warming myth for i am also a strong believer that it is used as a tool by the so called developed countries.
science may(surely would) adavance and make life possible in the most unihabitable conditions there might be technologies developed which would make living possible in the ocean abyss or in other planets but is that what we want and is that what humanity is progressing towards ????
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pm@Suren.
It is undisputable that Man is the major reason for the climate change.
It is a price which we paid to safeguard ourselves against environment. We were not safe in jungles like hunters, so we discovered agriculture; we discovered fire. We were not safe against various illness and diseases so we discovered vaccinations. We discovered pesticides, fertilizers, fuels and tools. Civilization is full of such individualistic discoveries and innovations because of which we are standing here.
Now let us consider usage of CFL bulbs. I use CFL despite there narrow light spectrum andToxic mercury content.
In January, American congress passed a rule which will necessarily force the American public to switch to compact fluorescent lights. (CFLs).
Let’s say such laws are passed in India too and provides subsidies at these bulbs. What actually will it cause?
Is the assumption that switching to CFL will “save energy” is true?
As with most goods and services, the price of a utility influences the quantity I am willing to pay for. When the price of petrol doubles, I reconsider taking road trips, and try to be more efficient with my driving. Likewise, when the price of electricity falls, I am more liberal with my power consumption. Compact fluorescent lights lower the cost of lightning in two ways: they use one quarter of the energy, and they last ten times as long. These innovations encourage greater usage of lighting. And that is truth.
If the average consumer’s monthly lightning budget is fixed, they might compensate for the higher efficiency and lifespan of CFLs by increasing their lightning usage to completely offset any energy reduction. This would be especially true if consumers are forced to switch to CFLs by legislators rather than a desire to save energy costs. Much as auto safety regulations can lead to reckless behavior, forcing consumers to switch to more efficient lights might actually increase their energy usage.
Same is the case with Water crisis in India. I have explained there that How subsidized water creates extreme wastage of water. This wastage cannot be reduced by governmental control of any kind. The only solution is, to privatize the water and electricity market. The prices will control the usage by itself, plus the surplus will be provided for the poor at very liberated costs (almost free) at limited amount to increase profit and productivity of the producer/distributor.
Safety is in free-market because it balances by itself. These socialistic environmentalists trying to force things on will achieve nothing but a disaster.
Now-a-days, if gasoline price increases, Government wastes our taxes to provide subsidies and control inflation etc. Its all bad politics and economics, Just to cease their hold on seat, they actually plays with economic sector and climate both.
Liberate the economy from political clutches, and usage will be well-organized and reduced.
Furthermore, just as in case of CFL, the legislation has actually stopped all competition for CFL. So there can’t be any further innovation for better idea of safe saving of energy. That is a loss.
One more thing, it will be only Individual Human’s effort which will provide solution from any of climatic changes.
In absence of the medical efforts which Mumbaikar got during the rains, they might have lost thousands of lives, plus there might have been millions of deaths after it due to malaria cholera and other deadly after-flood diseases which were very common some 40-45 years ago.
It was the technology which saved them. And it will be free-market technology which will always save them.
Arun Kumar Says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:09 pmgod…u r good in debates…u choose ur words perfectly….
zorba Says:
May 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pm@unpretentious
yes we owe much to capitalism but its known fact too that capitalism was never as perfect as many think it to be and now what America,a vanguard of capitalism is doing in case of bear stern clearly points out to the same fact and let me take things further and say that perfect or Utopian capitalism(which seems to be highly praised by u ) will never be a reality and if it will then this will be more disastrous then what if so called ” global warming heretics ” succeed in their efforts .
Yes we live in better houses and forget to create homes ,we now don’t drink the same water which animals do but we are now fighting over it like animals,our refrigerator provides us cold water ,preserve things but we forget how fresh things without preservative taste or “ghade ka pani” have aroma so fulfilling ,our bodies are so clean out of soaps ,produced in a manner that whole area around the unit producing the same cry foul .
Yes a cheap car ,a tool for mobility is seen as something which will adversely affect the environment but who says that one is against mobility just efficiency and better solutions for mobility are asked to opt for and then this can really make us take leaps and have public transportation revolution around the world .
Under Narmada project more than lakh of tress were planned to cut for laying down transmission lines(the very case with power, which is so much praised in the original post) but after protest only 15% of earlier estimated trees were chopped
and job was done .
So to see the efforts of green-people(one which support actions against global warming) as something against development or a hidden weapon of communists again coveted capitalism would be wrong .
Rather we can say these people are addressing and representing the very aspirations of people which love their earth and environment .
I am just reminded of Albert Hoffman,the chemist developer of LCD who just died and who out of experience of LCD usage only became sensitive to nature and devoted his life for it .
Deep down we all love nature for it represent harmonious symmetry and to show concern for the same is as genuine as American government concern to save bear stern for stopping its financial market to collapse .
Its out of love ,a positive action and not a reactionary effort of vengeance towards anybody.
love
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 am@zobra.
Leave the rest; I will talk of the Narmada project alone.
I say that 15% of the previously estimated trees, which are cut are TOO MUCH. If it was not a government’s project, and if the government hadn’t had the land, that is, if it was the land of the people, then even that percentage of trees might have been saved.
The people from land were thrown out by government and even the people didn’t got enough compensation for the land.
The Narmada Andolan is still on, and all of it just because of the socialist statist system.
Until government won’t leave the economic sector, such disasters will keep on and on.
If the property was in Individuals hands, then they surely might have asked for the price of each and every tree too, and obviously than the number of trees wasted might have been much less.
When things remain in government’s hand, they mostly get overused and wasted, it is general phenomenon, because basically even if things are wasted in collective system, they seems very minute and negligible. But on the other hand, when there remains property rights in the hands of Individuals, with freedom, they use it properly, because that property, those trees, that greenery that land, everything, provides value to those individuals, those owners.
If I rope a Neem tree in my garden, I do care for it, because it is mine. But to give water to trees at roads becomes a job.
Second thing is, you are missing the basic point again.
Man cannot live for safeguarding the earth. Man has no duty towards earth.
But every man has duty towards himself.
So, if a man gets this sense that he has to save electricity to save his expense, his money, he will save it.
Provide same electricity at subsidized rates, where he is just getting it at almost negligible prices (as we all Indian gets subsidized electricity and water), he loots it, he cheats, he disturbs the meters, tampers them, steals the electricity from the poles. And no one will check it, because, it is nobody’s loss directly.
On the other hand, if the electric sector is privatized, and government is restricted not to affect subsidies and taxes, then even the electric distributors will take care of the theft, consumers will look more deeply to reduce the electric consumption, for saving money as there won’t be any theft possible, plus the actual price of electricity will also be decreased for the reach of more number of consumers. By the decrease in wastage percentage of electric units, things will improve by themselves.
Statist system can do nothing, only free-market economy can help, because it is self-sustainable.
Peace and free trade.
Golden Vulture Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 amyeahh mankind should advance …. nothing must stop the advancement …. we must never stop …
but yes somethings must be taken care of .. alternatives evolve all the time .. :)
zorba Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 2:27 pm@ diva
its strange that comments here are as long as to consider them full post but issue is such and answer to comments are inviting enough to write the comments again and again.
Now i am feeling the post was not against the global warming and people working for it but the serious question that are raised by people i.e, alarm about global warming and to result that capitalism has brought and stands for seems to be the case.
As Narmada project is spoken off and argument is provided something is a amiss ,especially the argument that people would have asked for the cost for every tree.Isn’t it ludicrous, i live in the same country and people often become shortsighted against environment against their own interest(writing this with full awareness that i called the concern for environment as something lying deep inside within every one) .
Then building on same argument much important comes out and that is the fact that had it been private affair “all the trees would have been purchased” .I must point out here that assumption that private sector or individual would have made the most efficient choice provides lopsided view for it takes into account the economic cost and not environmental one and especially when our system don’t integrate environmental economics in to it .
Free trade and assuming that every thing has cost and that will correct out the market of its own and so will happen with the global warming issue and at same time bashing the people who are making people sensitive towards environment and nuances related to it lacks a serious perspective and that is, costs are created with relative importance that is placed on any factor e.g, labour cost for labourer knows that his efforts are required to be valued, etc and then another factor that is scarcity of that resource determines its net worth but both the essential factors are missing here as people according to this very post should not be sensitized for that is against development and as far as second factor goes that is the recognition of the fact that environment is scarce as whole also seems to be lacking and efforts by same people to make the world aware that things are fast changing and we should know to value its limited availability is opposed.
The bottom line is that spirit of capitalism should be seen as something larger then its being confined to economics and then the people which are said here to be “anti-develpoment’ will start looking as an individual force combatting to bring new equilibrium for the model of develpoment.
Love
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm@zobra.
It is really strange that although I am clearly providing you examples which are so quite visible, that socialist-environmentalist are ANTI-HUMANITY they are the evil who actually wants to bring the catastrophe, you are unable to catch it.
You are unable because you are one of them.
All your likes and collectivistic efforts will clearly bring doom and it has been shown by reason that why they will bring doom.
Anyways, let�s take another example. Environmentalists are also concerned with idiotic tries of safeguarding some species which are at the verge of extinction (as if they are not the actual criminals who kills).
We are having Save Tiger, Save Black deer programs since 50 years.
Every year, count of tigers decreases, where do they go?
Environmentalists and the collectivistic demons eat them.
How they kill them? They kill them by the evil swords of collectivism.
It is a basic fact, that when the property is not yours, you will be least concerned with it.
You can spit on public bus stands and railways, but you won�t spit in your own home, or shop, why?
Because it is your property, it shows your worth, it makes your value.
Same thing is with these national parks.
Indian forest department is no short, and national parks, along with the forest police, gets BSF support too.
They takes allot tax from common man of India with a promise, that they will save the tigers.
But, on the premises of reason, it is impossible, they just cannot save tigers, nor they can save trees.
What actually they can do is, they can take bribes from mafia, and wood cutters.
A lowly police officer also will take Rs100/- from you and will allow you to cut woods from the jungle. You cannot avoid it.
The jungle actually is not the property of that police officer, so he gets no incentive of saving it, though he gets proper incentive by letting the wood smugglers, (Veerappan etc) and hunters in form of bribes.
The politicians get bribes too for passing tenders of various forest related projects.
Overall, the bureaucratic department, which is actually based for safeguarding jungles and trees and wild life, becomes the source of wastage and destruction.
And by reason it is unavoidable.
The only reasonable way, to avoid such destruction is removing these socialist environmentalists, and introducing property rights.
If I have 10 acres of land, and I rope trees of SHEESHAM, Mangoes, bananas, Coconut, or wild jungles in it, it becomes my property, it becomes a source for my income, for that reason, I tend to safeguard it properly. I will do my best to safeguard.
If I own a share in a Wild Park, and the income coming through it increases my value, I properly intend to enquire about its safety. It becomes my moral reason for my own value increment and happiness and prosperity. I then may provide private security forces, more professional innovative ways for safeguarding the jungles and species and using them more beneficially and profitably.
No one kills a golden egg laying hen. But in a public centralized system the hen is of nobody, and the politicians, the police tend to keep cutting it, because of the reason that they gets a hold on it for short term, hence they never thinks for longer term savings.
You (The socialist environmentalists and supporting politicians) can bring legislations for usage of CFL, nothing will happen, except more wastage of energy, because to gain votes, you are subsidizing CFL bulb makers, and you are subsidizing electricity too.
For the short term profits of your own ilk, to get votes and power again, you risks the long term rationales, and you actually even don�t worry for the future. It is just a hype which you keep creating, that earth is in danger and you are going to save it. It is just myth, not because Climate is changing, it is Myth because you are �actually� doing nothing for saving it.
People owns cat, dogs tortoise, horses, bulls, cows etc�they never gets extinct, they may become a bane though, why? Because of the reason that Man tend to protect his property. He discovers and innovates way to protect his property and he is liable to get success in doing so by virtue of mind and endeavors.
Privatize jungles and water resources, and wild life sanctuaries, involve Individuals for making profits by wild life, and environment friendly free trade system, things will improve
These earth days, collectivistic jokery, enforcement legislations on using CFL bulbs, subsidies, taxations, may fulfill some environmentalist politician�s short term dreams of power, but they are not for providing any help on longer run.
Because of such rulings, now CFL, despite of all its hazardous effects on Human life due to usage of mercury, is being forced. Virtually, there is no competition for CFL now, which will not allow further innovation for producing better technology to reduce further electric consumption and providing better bulbs for health of human.
Peace and Free trade
CA.Siddharth Ranjan Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 5:58 pm@ the brilliant diva
the advocacy of free trade is good.
collectivism is not that bad!
please consider:
what do you call a joint stock company?
what is a co-operative?
Bureaucracy:
many of your ires are directed towards a corrupt bureaucracy.
for proper functioning of a system all the parts have to serve their role efficiently. if the administration and judiciary function properly and the caliber of our legislators improve then you would see collectivism is not that bad.
appreciations straight from heart:
your contributions are so original and the passion with which you advance capitalism and the free market is contageous :-)
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 9:10 pm@Ranjan
what do you call a joint stock company?
what is a co-operative?
Collectivism is evil, it can never be good in any situation
But your understanding of collectivism is wrong.
A joint stock company is not collectivistic. Every share holder has proper property rights over his stocks and shares, he can anyways leave the company if he does not wish to be with them.
Such business accords are always based on Mutual consent targetted towards mutual benefits.
there remains no obligations, and no majority rules you, you can always opt out of the team of company if you don’t agree with the policies.
Same is the case with co-operative.
An statist government is not co-operative, nor a company, it is a syndicate which rules and makes laws and forces the public the individuals to follow the laws and policies. Statist Government is dictatorship of majority over minority.
Once Ayn Rand commented The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.
It is true, yu can consider the recent laws of avoiding cigerrettes and alcohol on screens, dance of cheerleaders on playgrounds, Raj thackrey’s hooliganism against Biharis, whole Bihar’s situation, in fact, Mumbai is also going on same lines, where law is in hands of politicians which they can break any time.
zorba Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 9:13 pm@ diva
I got ur point that individual interest promotes efficiency and if u go through all my comments u will find that i though to rhyme have criticized its result but nowhere asked to end it or to have another structure in its place.
But what are u missing is that i support their campaign as a part of big picture i.e, sensitizing people towards environment which well comes in to the preview of capitalism of a kind .Just one has to replace an individual with a unified way of thinking so that things can be looked more comprehensively and forces are to set loose e.g, let people decide that whether they are going to support candidates which are pro-environment or some other person and just what these people are doing is to provide the alternative and laissez fair operates best when choices are their to make.
Yes i agree with u that it will be shortsighted to subsidize energy in any form but that is a hard reality and operating in this world and is just going to increase for the havoc that oil prices are created in world market and which even have a role to play in initiating crisis in world food market is not going t stop in near future at all.And here comes the essential point that we can not wait to perfection to come in structures and thus have to work for the environmental cause concurrently .
And important fact that today’s capitalism has missed is the fact that indivdual are not that individualistic as they seems to be for they are moulded by society and are created through intercation with the same.
I would like to invoke the wisdom that says “its all in mind” and which goes to extent to say that mind is all what we need to train .In other words one can be taught to rise above the personal interest s and one can see in reality people operating with such wisdom .
Yes i must admit that great inefficiencies can be eliminated through free market forces yet it will be as shortsighted as like of subsidizing power to wait for capitalism to come in its perfect avatar for this existence don’t stop for human to evolve .once we have environment severely damaged it will be difficult to correct it at any future point of time or will involve higher cost .
And most importantly what these people are doing goes great extent to divert the use of resources to better alternatives .I need not to speak of military budgets of America or any country what this campaign shall do is it make leaders and people think that what waste we are making ,question must arise that why don’t we spent enough to save what is dear to us(environment )or eliminate what we don’t like(poverty ,malnutrition illiteracy etc) .
Market forces operates best when alternatives are there for it provide option to make better choices and interaction of needs arising out of such choices constitute makrket forces and so this campaign not only pro-environemnt but truely commited to laisez fair doctrine.
Hope u are reading comments with care and understanding.
Great love
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 3rd, 2008 at 10:06 pm@zobra
In fact, you are pre-occupied with the corrupt ideas thee socialist-environmentalism has fed you.
It is nothing but Anti-Human.
First of all, Laissez-Faire means total removal of any governmental force from economic market.
About indoctrinating minds of others, yes that’s what these Anti-Humanists are doing, and not only now, but since always. First they used religion, then race, then caste, then class, and now environment; these are just excuses of these anti-humanists to control and rule over others.
The thing is, despite of their all endeavors, they just cannot rule. Even “killers” like Stalin failed so, they are also not going to get any success.
But what they actually will do is, they will harm the environment furthermore, and will take the situations to more weak zones.
That CFL idea which you support, it clearly will increase the consumption of electricity.
There are various alternatives, install nuclear plants. When India tried to take starting steps, the Indian communists themselves opposed it.
In reality they are self-confused that what actually they want.
Market itself provides options. Man innovate options. Necessity creates discoveries and invention.
I would like to invoke the wisdom that says “its all in mind” and which goes to extent to say that mind is all what we need to train .In other words one can be taught to rise above the personal interest s and one can see in reality people operating with such wisdom .
I know you are of the ilk who wants to indoctrinate minds and never let them free, you are against liberty and humanity. you are in fact against the Individual’s ability to think and decide for himself too. That is why you used religion as your tool right at the first post and now again you came on same point.
I know people trains terrorists too on same lines and yes some fools gets so much brainwashed that they even don’t flinch from blasting themselves.. It is as evil as that.
These hoopla and Hype of Global warming is just a part of the strategy.
It is degrading and shameful, it is anti-human.
I hope these socialists/environmentalists/communists may come over their madness to rule over others before they ruin this earth.
You are blaming capitalism? No one will be ready to avoid DDT for your global warming hype. Because Global warming will come later, first mosquitoes will kill him with various illnesses like dengue/malaria etc.
I wish Laissez-faire be applied before these socialists/communists/environmentalists may get any success in spreading their hypes.
Peace and Free trade and yes free-Independent Mind without any brainwashing and Indoctrination
zorba Says:
May 4th, 2008 at 1:52 pm!LOl!
diva u r too sensitive about the capitalism and free trade and free mind and its amusing that u shouts against the indoctrination of mind as if it is not the case with u .
I hope no great “free” inteligence is required to understand that what u cry over as indoctrination is human’s mind ability to learn from others or getting influenced and simply there is no other way to operate .
A child learns from his/her mother and whole life is a kid of process where one learns ,with clear choice to accept or reject what he is taught directly of indirectly .And for u to speak one’s concern for nature is such a grave crime that u simply are blind to see that individual spirit is not that much anti-colectivism.
Ok let me use another language ,Stephen r covey the writer of 7habits of highly effective people has used the right term “inter-dependence” which is the third stage after dependence and independence. A free man can be the only one who can be inter-dependent to reach goals unattainable for single free spirit and thus he opt to collect people which can come together and work for same goal .
You accused me of being religious and further goes to claim that religion is against individual spirit but my lady it seems u don’t meditate or read things with the very” free spirit “which u proclaim to support.
There is a incident in the life of jesus where he spoke to lady magdalane that “he is alone who can love her” and if i tell u to interpretate it i am sure you are going to cry over the fact that see how Christian are imposing collectivism through propaganda that jesus alone can love and save them but my dear if u intersect the statement u will unearth the meaning that jesus is alone stands for individual spirit as “one who is free can love” or one who is independent can go for inter-dependence .
And i am stumped over the fact that how can u misunderstand me especially when u are so inteligent to write this great blog .
I hope u know that this world is nothing but “dvaita” or duality and to be blind for the other side of coin can prove fatal.
I must admit u write terrefic and i enjoy commenting
great love
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 4th, 2008 at 2:26 pmSurely it is not the case with me.
I come above indoctrinations with critical questioning rational analyzing, Socratic methods and proper searching of my own self.
Your ignorance is nothing new. Being influenced on rational premises and being indoctrinated are different things. But, as usual you cannot understand it. There is no other way for human, but to use their mind. And If mind is what you want to corrupt by your illogical and irrational maddening ideas, then you can try, you may get a large success too, its nothing new, religionists, racists, mystiques communists socialists collectivists have ruled people and ruined lives and nature since long.
Yet, you cannot stop the free-mind from thinking. And reason will make people realize the treachery the collectivistic ways you tend to teach.
Collectivism is always against Individuals. And a mother who teaches his child the collectivistic madness and indoctrinations, surely makes his life a hell.
You have no concern about nature. You are hell bent to destroy nature. All your concerns are to rule people.
Interdependence is no term, it is slavery.
Freedom is right to decide to get in or out of a mutual relation for mutual benefits. Any one who stresses that to live for other is necessity is criminal.
Jesus? What he has to do with this?
Again madness, about Dviata or Advita or Taitrriya Vedanta, its not the right place to discuss.
As you have constantly shown that you are hell bent to destroy nature by your socialist/environmentalist philosophy, I assure you, the free spirit of Man will never let treacherous people like these socialist-environmentalist to do so.
I know when they get no rational premise to discuss with, they start talking nonsense.
Peace and free trade
unpretentious_diva Says:
May 4th, 2008 at 3:28 pmBy Philip Stott
During the next few days, our media will suffer a collective bout of hypochondria over global warming and the future of the Earth. Why?
A cynic might say it is all the aircraft fuel burnt to carry the hundreds of delegates and journalists to Bonn, Germany, for the Fifth Session of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC). But even this would be to accept the ecohype of the global warmers.
Why are we so surprised that climate is changing? Climate always changes. It would be newsworthy if climate stopped changing.
Slow and rapid changes
During the last 18,000 years there have been both gradual and abrupt changes, some much larger than any we are currently experiencing.
And what is the consensus about the present changes? A rise of between 0.3 and 0.6 degrees Centigrade during the last 150 years, although there has been cooling as well during this period. Some measures, such as those from corrected satellite readings, still indicate overall cooling.
So why are we so desperate to criminalise human beings for this change? No single factor can account for climate variability.
Climate is governed by millions of factors, from the flip of a butterfly’s wing, through volcanic eruptions, the oceans and natural greenhouse gases, to solar activity and meteors.
‘The biggest myth of all’
The idea that climate change is brought about by just one or two factors, such as carbon dioxide emissions, is simply nonsense. We must grasp the fact that curbing human-induced greenhouse gases will not halt climate change. That is the biggest myth of them all.
My advice is therefore to ignore the hype. It will only make you unnecessarily anxious. Let them play with their inadequate climate models and come up with scenarios, the worse the better.
Instead, remember that humans have survived climate change for thousands of years, not by playing God with one or two politically selected factors, but by adapting to the new conditions, whether hot, cold, dry or wet. And, moreover, what about the opportunities global warming presents - far better than cooling any day!
Philip Stott is Professor of Biogeography at the School of Oriental and African Studies in the University of London.
Stand Up Says:
May 8th, 2008 at 9:28 aminteresting post. I was just thinking the other day, even trying to be more “green” it’s as if practically everything has a con, besides the pro. Even in the simplists of ways, for example, I was thinking about how much water is wasted just by using ice cubes. We put some ice in a glass, fill it with soda or something, drink the soda, and leave the ice (except me because I am addicted to chewing on ice haha) so instead of wasting ice, we could just go buy bottles soda or beverages…but then you get the problem of more trash…instead of using a glass u can wash and re use, you now have to get rid of a plastic bottle. sure it can be recycled, but not everyone recycles, and so we end up with more waste in our landfills, which we are running out of space for anyways…so its a viscious tradeoff, anyway.
sure, the climate is changing, like you said it ALWAYS is…so what proves the source, and what proves the solution? what proves that we even need a solution??
I think yeah, we need to change some of our wasteful ways. and its a great motivation to bring new products to save and conserve energy on the market.
but i dont think the world and humanity is going to fall apart and vanish from this so called global warming
rinzu Says:
June 21st, 2008 at 7:26 pmthis issue needs to be addressed…
though for the next ten years global warming wont affect human lives…
so we have ten long years…!!!
to do a lot…!!!
Unpretentious Diva Says:
October 4th, 2008 at 11:15 pm@Abhishek
The earth or nature gives no importance to all your idiotic save-earth programs. that’s what is said in the article.
Now about permafrost, I know you have no sense of science and technology, as you have already disregarded man’s potential to analyze the natural phenomenon.
So what is Permafrost? It is the soil remaining at or below the freezing point of water for 2 or more years.
Now there are ‘continuous permafrost’ and ‘discontinuous permafrost’… many a times, just like solar waves, discontinuous permafrost also becomes a reason for higher temperatures, its a natural phenomenon, as discontinuous permafrost thaws, the methane and hydrocarbons gets a release in big amount which increases temperature and helps in further thawing of ice/soil. But it is discontinuous.
Now some jokers supporting global warming may consider permafrost as a sign of global warming bullshit. What they tries to hide is, they only have records from 30 years which are not only insufficient to proove any significance of man in changing the environment, but also, the records of permafrost are insufficient to show that there is actually any “Significant” raise in temperature.
Anyways, I would like to know how much the global warming jokers and PETA workers are paying for you?
I know you are acting like an agent of some big fraud environmentalist association trying their best to suggest madness of their cult environmentalism.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 12:31 amOhh so the son of ***** was waiting to be spanked and tamed…lol.
Listen idiot, I know you are big-head and big-foot. By the fact of evolution, as the size of mind of human beings started decreasing, the analyzing and reasoning abilities of human started Increasing and humanity reached to the present state through stone age, iron age and medieval age etc.
Anyways, thats not the issue. Issue is, Methane is a greenhouse gas, issue is, without methane, life was impossible on earth. Issue is, as the quantity of methane increases, the temperature rises, The issue is, when Discontinuous Permafrost looses the shrink, methane evolves out, its discontinuous phenomena and it gets reversed too, and most Importantly, Human Beings have nothing to do with it.
Now, when i say you that there are a million miles of strech containing permafrost which is melting, what will be your answer?
When and if you say such idiotic bakwaas, my answer wil be, that you are illiterate, try to open up 8th grade geography books and you will come to know the circumference of earth.
What is the circumference of the earth?
The circumference of the earth at the equator is 24,901.55 miles (40,075.16 kilometers).
But, if you measure the earth through the poles the circumference is a bit shorter - 24,859.82 miles (40,008 km). This the earth is a tad wider than it is tall, giving it a slight bulge at the equator. This shape is known as an ellipsoid or more properly, geoid (earth-like).
A part of earth is covered by icecapes, and a part is deepfrost, and a part is permafrost.
So if someone says that million miles are melting away, he is not talking of earth.
And when did I denied that Discontinuous permafrost doesn’t melts away?
Discontinuous permafrost keeps melting away and reviving again since the start of time. Try to learn about “time to form deep permafrost”.
Anyways, its useless to expect you learning something.
So the thing is simple, permafrost do melts away, and again becomes visible, it is also a fact that cold season comes and goes, and further true fact is Cold Age comes and goes away. Methane plays its part but methane is also played by the environment.
Being a environmentalist *****, you cannot stop methane, nor you can stop lakes and glaciars and discontinuous permafrost melt away. they are melting since ages and becoming again, methane is trapped and released again and again since ages and it will keep repeating. Human has no significant role in it.
And one more thing, I don’t care what *****-gang of environmentalists you belong too and what price they offer you for your show-ups, but I just don’t belong to any Oil Company. That is not my line you know, I am an architect, not a chemical or metallurgical or hydrocarbon engineer.
One last thing, read my previous answer to your bullshit again, permafrost records taken till now are just 30 years old, and they gives no idea of Global Warming. They just shows a fact, that Permafrost do melts away and again becomes visible.
Enjoy!
Unpretentious Diva Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 1:26 amAnd then the coward idiot shouts “”“Profanities”“”.
Listen beta, No matters what you do, you cannot stop methane to get evolved again. Second thing is, even if you have had added Square to your bullshit, it could have not saved you.
What is the total surface area of Earth?
510,065,600 sq.km (http://www.answers.com/earth#Wikipedia) of which 148,939,100 sq.km (29.2 %) is land and 361,126,400 km (70.8 %) is water.
Even that doesn’t makes millions of permafrost getting melted.
Anyways it doesn’t matters. What matters is, Methane is present and is being made regularly and is being decomposed too. it cannot be stopped. It is a natural process.
Fossils gets decomposed, and makes methane. After your death, when your bones and body will decompose in some graveyard, it will also make methane. Its unstoppable. A tree dies, and decomposes to many materials and gases of which methane is also a product. Any natural reaction between carbon and Hydrogen can make methane. No Human is needed for that.
Second thing is, Permafrosts keeps melting, they keeps frozing again too. The records available are of only 30 years old. and they shows no sign of global warming.
Ahh but I know being a ***** of environmentalist whorehouse, you won’t understand simple english, and will shout profanity again.
But hey! I never mentioned that I am polite.
But you can’t understand that.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 1:51 amLol.
The ***** of environmentalist whorehouse came again to show up his madness.
148,939,100 sq.km , thats more than 1 million.
How Much Of The Earth’s Surface Is Covered With Ice?
10.4% of total surface area of land is covered by ice,
that is 15,600,000 square kilometers, is covered with ice.
Of that 7% comes under Permafrost state.
Thats not one million, its pretty less babydoo!
And again same thing beta.
Melting of permafrost is an ancient process which keeps repeating again and again its unstoppable and no environmentalist can stop it anyhow.
No matters if you stop using your bike or scooter, no matters you stop using electricity, the discontinuous permafrost will melt.
Also, the discontinuous permafrost will expand again. Its cyclic.
And once more, The records of Permafrost region are only 30 years old, and they doesn’t show any signs of global warming.
But that is not the point of contention.
The debate is, these mad environmentalists, (like you abhishek, the ***** of environmentalist’s whorehouse) don’t understand that their panicking attitude cannot change anything. It’s not in man’s hand.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
October 5th, 2008 at 2:01 amNow its extreme high.
Listen Abhishek Beta,
1 million = 10 lacks .
15,600,000 square kilometers = 15.6 millions. That is the total area of land under ice is 15.6 million.
Of which 7% is known as permafrost. that is 1.05 square million of land is permafrost.
Whole permafrost is not melting away. A part of it is melting away, and a part is rebecoming permafrost.
So whatsoever permafrost is melting away, is very very less than even ONE MILLION. So, your statement itself is ridiculous that millions miles of permafrost is melting away.
Total area of permafrost is 1.05 million.