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Recently, I read a blog of some Indian rationalist association about former Indian president APJ Kalam about his meeting with the criminalistic demigod Satya sai baba.
Some people were discussing and debating about it. Someone who claims to be a rationalist said, Its not about about kalam’s personal belief……….”No one questions his belief in islam or Hinduism or any, no one cares if he believe sai baba as god man…..the thing which bother me is, as he adviced everyone for corruption free government, he himself admiring a criminal…..when he became president, the place he visited after he visiting Gujarat first, its puttaparathi its a shame that he believes saibaba as god-man.”
I am very neutral about such things.
It is true that such actions from a person who was at president’s post are demeaning, but then it is his own personal sphere, no one can interfere in that, no one should. He himself is mature enough to look at such issues independently.
I will never support him for such causes, but should I feel shame and anger and frustrations over these issues?
One thing which is incomprehensible is, the extreme urge of these neo-atheist to get monotonic.
Atheism can’t be indoctrinated. If it would be, then there won’t be any difference between religion and atheism.
Furthermore, there is no need to be so much concerned about others.
One must enjoy his Individual sphere. One must avoid any biased ness and blind faithfulness in his own conduct. One must be Objective within his own personal sphere.
The rationality will spread by your reasonable attitude.
Forcing it won’t make any good. It never did, although the illusions of religion mongers and the darkness of uncertainties and theisms are shedding away at high speed.
There’s actually is no need to worry about these jokers much and ultimately such incidences of their crimes will make them loose their existence by themselves!
Again, who should feel shame, President him or me or others?
That’s what I am talking of.
I see no reason of any anger and shame.
If you are not at peace, if you are not feeling good about being a rationalist, then what is the use of your rationality?
But anyways, I won’t stress on that. It is your personal outlook.
What I can understand is, I am atheist, I am atheist by birth because my family never indoctrinated me, and they told me things to check, they told me to look for reasons.
They told me that Life means to be happy, to be right. They told me to search for my own ethical rights, and the sense of right and wrong. And then I started making myself.
One thing which must be understood is, your rational attitude will make 10 others to look for reasons.
Your frustrating attitude will show your own inabilities.
You neither have to do anything with that sai baba, nor with Abdul Kalam nor with Pratibha Patil.
You or any other body cannot expect any other person to be ideal and perfect. If you yourself can, then make yourself perfect.
In further clearer words, I denounce collectivism as much as theism.
Neither a president of India represents me, nor the myriads of religion and culture prevalent in India. In fact even India does not represent me. I am I.
I am Individual.
I see no reason of shame in me for any action of others
be it sai baba, or abdul kalam or pratibha patil.
Even I don’t take any cause of pride for what Abdul Kalam achieved.
His achievements, his weaknesses are his own. I have nothing to do with them.
Yet the rationally correct he has done, i can surely admire and refine, and take as a learning, because that is reasonable and justified. And then I can further that knowledge. It would be just like reading Newton’s laws and understanding mechanics.
But if I say that I am feeling shame because Abdul kalam met sai baba and praised him, then in my own eyes, such comments and statements are sign of collectivistic madness.
(image is from www.sizemore.co.uk/visiblemonsters/2007/05/ )
The crimes of Sai Baba mentioned in BBC
10 Responses to “APJ Abdul Kalam Indian rationalist association and Satya sai Baba”
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Shayan Says:
January 25th, 2008 at 10:17 pmsai baba is an diot….i still cant believe how ppl really are fooled to follow what he says & preaches
Good post!!
S Ramanathan Says:
January 25th, 2008 at 10:27 pmi am no supporter of sai baba, and i am not a theist. i dont even think abt god. but, i think calling sai baba a ‘criminilastic demi god’ is a bigger collectivist madness than the other things u mentioned.
also, he is a demi god only if u look at him like tat. if u r not ‘collectivistically mad’ then why do u bother even writing abt such public figures?
unpretentious_diva Says:
January 26th, 2008 at 12:52 am@Ramnathan.
By the way, you were so self-occupied, that you just couldn’t realise that the post was not about sai baba, but it was about the debate I saw in other blog about sai baba.
I read it and made my observation about that blog and its material.
ahh!, you even failed at understanding it.
Anyways, better luck next time!
S Ramanathan Says:
January 26th, 2008 at 1:08 amwell, whenevr u ll start accepting criticisms in the right sense! and u call me a dictator?! it only shows how insecure you r yo criticisms.
u call it chiding? ha! u have no idea how far i cud go wit it..i am least interested in jus ‘chiding’ here.i was jus saying tat u seem to be easily deciding what is collectivistic and what is not.
thanks for pointing out my weaknesses. ll work on them.
i dont think u shud nt express urself. but dont criticize others who do, and call them ‘collectivistic’.
it dint look like u were stating wat was written. u jus plainly agree tat sai baba is criminal or whatevr.
next time? i dont think there ll be one. you dont even have the balls to take in criticism. u get so defensive abt it, why wud i ever come back? anyways, u can visit my blog…i too am never neutral and quite an opinionated fool like you. but i do take is criticisms sportingly. u r welcome! keep blogging! c ya.
unpretentious_diva Says:
January 26th, 2008 at 4:55 amI doubt you have any standards as a critic. You even didn’t read the article properly and you are criticizing that? It is chiding and your dictatorial attitude. You never read it still you are chiding against it.
Or, may be you just do not know what collectivism is. If I am being harassed by someone, then it is my right to voice against it, express the wrong anyhow. It is not collectivism, but usage of Individual rights.
First of all the collectivistic system of India Victimizes the Individuals
Its the Individual’s hard earned money which is wasted for the safety and organization programmes whenever that sai baba and many other demigods like him arranges any meet.
Second thing is the immense money Indian collectivistic government wastes on Religion based issues, from where that money comes from? It comes from Individual’s pockets as compulsory taxation.
Government loots the individual and misuses that money in various scandals scams etc.
The last demigod who was caught was Chandraswamy”
I can understand you even won’t be able to recognize that name.
In a democracy, these demigods play a major role.
And that’s the reason” for which anyone tax-payer whose money is misused by this way or other has proper right to criticize the COLLECTIVISM!
Socialism, Nationalism, Communism, Religions, Fascism, racism etc all are forms of Collectivism.
The compulsory taxation, which I or any other Individual is bound to pay for as a slave is signatory of collectivism.
I don’t decide how My money should be used. Those dumb decides it.
And that is victimization and loot via collectivism.
It is my Individual right and moral duty too, to oppose such regressive collectivism.
If my money is used for the safety and development of the net of a criminal on whom sexual harrassment and embezzlement charges are being casted, then why would not I criticise the collectivistic taxation system?
But, if I question why APJ met that baba, then again it has no basis, I or any other body cannot decide whom should APJ meet and whom should not.
Setu Says:
January 26th, 2008 at 6:01 amthere’s no doubt that u sound like an individualist.. but i sense some agitation here apart from the topic of discussion.. as if you’re holding back something.. i might be completely wrong though; i’ve been at times..
anyway.. it’s good to rationalize..
keshav sai Says:
April 21st, 2008 at 5:23 pmha…..fantastic
Shabbir Shah Says:
March 2nd, 2011 at 11:59 amI wish to join Rationalists Society. Since my boyhood i could not digest Bookism, Idolism and Babaism. The most ancient ways of earning ‘EASY MONEY’ academic qualifications, position or age cannot build a person’s Wisdom of Mind. I admire this article with my whole heart with out showing any Hypocracy.
Raveesh K Says:
June 18th, 2011 at 8:10 pma comment on your qoute
“Atheism cant be indoctrinated”. I am an rationalist and atheist. My view is that atheism can be doctrinated if you can argue with a person with facts and there is not difference between an fundamental atheist and fundamental theist. But thing you cant indoctrinate is rationality. It can never be indoctrinated. because it tells you to think and judge yourselves.The fact that abdul kalam is a rocket scientist doesn’t mean that he is rationally high or he has intellectual understanding about these thing. He might be good in maths sceince and as a statesman.So for me i think personally he has the right to think sai baba as a godman and but when it comes to state affairs he cant visit him like what he did since our consitituion denounces god. since secularism is god away from state. So personally i think abdul kalam as a low level rational being, but i respect him for the position he helds.
He has to rethink it.
sundaycosed Says:
June 26th, 2011 at 5:35 amThis question is very difficult to answer. Anyways we can bring to your notice some following interesting points :
Some time back he was also seen discussing all topics on channels such as 9XNEWS such as naxalism, politics and it appeared that he had lost focus from his “rationalist” activism.
1) Sanal son of Josesh Edamaruku-founder of INDIAN RATIONALIST ASSOCIATION.
2) “Rationalists” do not believe in god, rituals, re-birth, miracles, etc.
3) We have not been able to find the official website of “indian rationalist association” all we have is a blog which sanal operates, so all the information we have is through him through his blog.
4) He claims to have increased the membership of “indian rationalist association” from 350 memebers to 100000 members. But for such a huge membership organisation without an official website, is difficult to digest, for some. It is not know whether internal elections of office-bearers are taking place regularly.
5) At last visit on face book’s page “fans of sanal edamaruku” has only 600 followers and 172 members approximately.
6) The registration number of his “indian rationalist association” is not mentioned on his blog.
7) He has severely critisized Teresa and Sathya Sai Baba.
9) some people Question as to how the leading national news channels project him as an “expert” when his organizational details such as annual elections, annual returns of income tax, registration number are not displaced on his website.
10) It may be noted that his son samkhya edamaruku is/has working for a leading reputed channel IBN7, this may have helped sanal’s sudden metoric rise to the national media prime time.
11) His main claim to fame is this “TANTRA CHALLENGE” on another leading TV channel INDIATV.
The so called tantrik sharma is not any authorised/recogonised/respected practioner of tantra.
Some poeple allege that this challenge was “FIXED”, although there is no evidence for or against it.
12) We do not know if there is any ethics committee in the news channels which take a look at the various aspects and repercussions of an “open challenge to kill someone” was telecast live.
13) Lately he is said to have file a PIL against the MAKAR JYOTHI of the Kerala’s Ayyapa temple.
14) Lastly, there is a saying that someone who goes after big personalities has very less to lose and more to gain.
15) The source of fundings of the “INDIAN RATIONALIST ASSOCIATION” is not mentioned on its website.
16) People have written many blogs against him complaining of his “Bias” against a particular religion, unparalled arrogance and abusive language for saints and religion.
17) It is also surprising to some that his two organizations are not affiliated to the apex indian rationalist association “Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations (FIRA)” which has more than 20 such rationalist organizations under its federation. It would be very transparent and worth appreciation if he can join the FIRA and disclose the financials of his organization. His membership of apex international rationalist society IHEU shows the status “inactive” for his organizatrion “INDIAN RATIONALIST ASSOCIATION”. Furthermore, it is very shocking to see a note to the general public from the IHEU WEBSITE saying “If you can provide a short note of this organization’s aims and activities, please contact us”. It seems that the IHEU does not have any information about his activities.
18) Some people may feel that this is the classic case of “questioning everyone but answerable to no one!”
Source(s):
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=29087949895&v=wall
http://indianrationalists.blogspot.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanal_Edamaruku
http://www.saisathyasai.com/baba/great-tantra-challenge-sanal-edamaruku-joseph-samkhya-surinder-sharma.html
http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/mother_teresa/sanal_ed.htm
http://hindtoday.com/Blogs/ViewBlogsV2.aspx?HTAdvtId=5757&HTAdvtPlaceCode=WORLD
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_Indian_Rationalist_Associations
http://www.iheu.org/org/1114