Comments on: A peek through socio-political culture of India http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html Because everything has a reason! Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:52:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Sneha Sha http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-20856 Sneha Sha Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:12:06 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-20856 I think democracy bestows benefits in the long run. Democracy has no alternative. India: Democracy bestows benefits http://www.globalpolitician.com/26801-india-democracy-economy I think democracy bestows benefits in the long run. Democracy has no alternative.

India: Democracy bestows benefits

http://www.globalpolitician.com/26801-india-democracy-economy

]]> By: The Middle Vice! | Reason for Liberty http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1685 The Middle Vice! | Reason for Liberty Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:06:26 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1685 [...] Often when one stresses over liberty, people start suggesting the dangers of extremes. They claim, we have seen extremes of collective slavery, we may see extremes of individual freedom now and it will not be good. They agrees socialism is bad, they claim capitalism may be bad; hence they [...] [...] Often when one stresses over liberty, people start suggesting the dangers of extremes. They claim, we have seen extremes of collective slavery, we may see extremes of individual freedom now and it will not be good. They agrees socialism is bad, they claim capitalism may be bad; hence they [...]

]]> By: renegade_division http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1684 renegade_division Sun, 11 Jan 2009 20:35:35 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1684 You are absolutely right, extreme of anything is bad. Take for example sex, now we all have see the extremity of non-consensual sex(Rape), its bad, similarly extremity of consensual sex is also bad. Sometimes you just have to grab a girl by her legs and rape her, you can't always take her consent, that's going too extreme. What if all the girls in the world started saying no to sex, how will our societies procreate, our civilization will converge and collapse. Take another example, slavery. Now we have gone too far in eliminating slavery, we have gone to the extreme of making people free, as we all know "extreme of anything is bad", therefore there has to be something wrong with allowing people to be "born free". I mean I am not kidding, some people just don't work without someone enslaving them. You are absolutely right, extreme of anything is bad.

Take for example sex, now we all have see the extremity of non-consensual sex(Rape), its bad, similarly extremity of consensual sex is also bad. Sometimes you just have to grab a girl by her legs and rape her, you can’t always take her consent, that’s going too extreme. What if all the girls in the world started saying no to sex, how will our societies procreate, our civilization will converge and collapse.

Take another example, slavery. Now we have gone too far in eliminating slavery, we have gone to the extreme of making people free, as we all know “extreme of anything is bad”, therefore there has to be something wrong with allowing people to be “born free”. I mean I am not kidding, some people just don’t work without someone enslaving them.

]]> By: Destination Infinity http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1674 Destination Infinity Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:19:38 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1674 Interesting point of view. But there are extremes in both individual freedom and also collective freedom. Maybe we have seen the extremes of the collective freedom and are yet to see the extremes of the individual freedom? (By extreme, I mean both good and bad). And, grass is always greeener on the other side of the river! Destination Infinity Interesting point of view. But there are extremes in both individual freedom and also collective freedom. Maybe we have seen the extremes of the collective freedom and are yet to see the extremes of the individual freedom? (By extreme, I mean both good and bad). And, grass is always greeener on the other side of the river!

Destination Infinity

]]> By: GP http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1683 GP Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:54:31 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1683 “Taxation should not be a painful process for the people. There should be leniency and caution while deciding the tax structure. Ideally, governments should collect taxes like a honeybee, which sucks just the right amount of honey from the flower so that both can survive. Taxes should be collected in small and not in large proportions”. <<<<<Absolutely correct. I fully agree and I think Govt. of india exactly doing that by ensuring everyone including bigwigs like (Mr. Bachhan ,SRK, Mr. Dhoni and Tendulkar) follow IT rules and pay their share of money (as per tax rules) as societal obligation.>>>>>> 5.20. Wealth, which represents Her in this world, never stops moving from one hand to the next. Whenever a clever man becomes rich, others lay schemes for plunder—banks through exorbitant interest rates, governments through constant and excessive taxation, thieves through extortion and common citizens through lawsuits—all conspire to reduce a rich man’s accumulated wealth to zero. Chanakya, Garuda Purana. <<<<<I really doubt if Banks were really present in Maurya Samrajya and what exorbitatnt interests rates they were applying to poor rich fellow and also how come common citizens try to extract money from rich guys through lawsuits coz mostly they used to be timid,shy and act as servants(read slaves) of Rich ppl who hardly dare to speak anything against them (Rich and King officials) (May be exact Sanskrit versus from Garuda Purana which u translated in English as Chankya's quotes would help to clarify more in this regard.)>>>>> “Taxation should not be a painful process for the people. There should be leniency and caution while deciding the tax structure. Ideally, governments should collect taxes like a honeybee, which sucks just the right amount of honey from the flower so that both can survive. Taxes should be collected in small and not in large proportions”.
<<<<<Absolutely correct. I fully agree and I think Govt. of india exactly doing that by ensuring everyone including bigwigs like (Mr. Bachhan ,SRK, Mr. Dhoni and Tendulkar) follow IT rules and pay their share of money (as per tax rules) as societal obligation.>>>>>>
5.20. Wealth, which represents Her in this world, never stops moving from one hand to the next. Whenever a clever man becomes rich, others lay schemes for plunder—banks through exorbitant interest rates, governments through constant and excessive taxation, thieves through extortion and common citizens through lawsuits—all conspire to reduce a rich man’s accumulated wealth to zero. Chanakya, Garuda Purana.

<<<<<I really doubt if Banks were really present in Maurya Samrajya and what exorbitatnt interests rates they were applying to poor rich fellow and also how come common citizens try to extract money from rich guys through lawsuits coz mostly they used to be timid,shy and act as servants(read slaves) of Rich ppl who hardly dare to speak anything against them (Rich and King officials)

(May be exact Sanskrit versus from Garuda Purana which u translated in English as Chankya’s quotes would help to clarify more in this regard.)>>>>>

]]> By: gaurav http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1682 gaurav Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:49:57 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1682 Wow ! I will say the wobbling sphere at the end of your blog is wonderful, unfortunately i observed it today only, rest the write-up is very interesting But i really feel the Indian society today has evolved in such a way that Individual freedom is deemed as sin, one is expected to be Kind, Compassionate and emotional in fool-hardy way. Talking more I really feel that in north India JP movement brought a revolutionary change in socio-political culture of this part, yes today it had done nothing for individual freedom but all the political institution flourishing today can easily be seen as having their patronage to that revolution. I also feel that India is such a amalgamation of diversified culture that generalization will not be apt,without any doubt these were defining moments in India history,but then a walk through India and I found,In kerela Common people were hardly affected by Mumbai terror strikes, isn't that disconcerting, after godhra the socio-political beliefs in Gujurat has taken a different proportion, courtesy own experience, People Of J&K have quite different socio-political culture belief, so i really believe in these words that "India was created on a dream,the dream of people of such varied culture,tradition and habits living under one roof." <em> Quite true. And we the advocates of Individual freedom are also a part of the same roof, and I couldn't ignore myself and the ilks of me, that is why this write up is all about the cultural change in positive strides for Individual Freedom. </em> Wow ! I will say the wobbling sphere at the end of your blog is wonderful, unfortunately i observed it today only, rest the write-up is very interesting But i really feel the Indian society today has evolved in such a way that Individual freedom is deemed as sin, one is expected to be Kind, Compassionate and emotional in fool-hardy way. Talking more I really feel that in north India JP movement brought a revolutionary change in socio-political culture of this part, yes today it had done nothing for individual freedom but all the political institution flourishing today can easily be seen as having their patronage to that revolution.
I also feel that India is such a amalgamation of diversified culture that generalization will not be apt,without any doubt these were defining moments in India history,but then a walk through India and I found,In kerela Common people were hardly affected by Mumbai terror strikes, isn’t that disconcerting, after godhra the socio-political beliefs in Gujurat has taken a different proportion, courtesy own experience, People Of J&K have quite different socio-political culture belief, so i really believe in these words that “India was created on a dream,the dream of people of such varied culture,tradition and habits living under one roof.”

Quite true. And we the advocates of Individual freedom are also a part of the same roof, and I couldn’t ignore myself and the ilks of me, that is why this write up is all about the cultural change in positive strides for Individual Freedom.

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1681 Unpretentious Diva Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:40:11 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1681 @ rmnWell, as I said earlier, you have full freedom to appreciate or criticize my write-up. it might have confused you, its quite probable. Yet, my intentions were pretty clear, which were to summarize the difference and importance of both "organized culture" and "Individual culture" and then to discuss how the possibilities of Individual Culture/Freedom/Rights are evolving in india and what a long time it took to lead us here, where we can talk about individual freedom. It was not so easy in yesteryear! @ rmnWell, as I said earlier, you have full freedom to appreciate or criticize my write-up.
it might have confused you, its quite probable.
Yet, my intentions were pretty clear, which were to summarize the difference and importance of both “organized culture” and “Individual culture” and then to discuss how the possibilities of Individual Culture/Freedom/Rights are evolving in india and what a long time it took to lead us here, where we can talk about individual freedom.

It was not so easy in yesteryear!

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1678 Unpretentious Diva Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:54:23 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1678 I wonder what makes you believe that I am not a "Dalit"? A Dalit means "oppressed" or someone belonging to an "oppressed" class of the system. At present, the general category people, who comes under no group quota culture, are the most oppressed. The government oppressing them by wrongly favouring other groups, castes and religion. Such acts of illegal, unjust and immoral attitude on part of government surely can not bring any good. The issue being discussed here is about socio-political view point, it is certainly not at all about social order of the society of middle ages or modern era. I wonder what makes you believe that I am not a “Dalit”?

A Dalit means “oppressed” or someone belonging to an “oppressed” class of the system.

At present, the general category people, who comes under no group quota culture, are the most oppressed. The government oppressing them by wrongly favouring other groups, castes and religion.

Such acts of illegal, unjust and immoral attitude on part of government surely can not bring any good.

The issue being discussed here is about socio-political view point, it is certainly not at all about social order of the society of middle ages or modern era.

]]> By: Vikram http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1680 Vikram Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:44:39 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1680 In the above comment I meant to say, I am saying that we have not seen a Dalit <strong>interpretation</strong> of Indian history, meaning an analysis of Indian history by Dalit historians. In the above comment I meant to say, I am saying that we have not seen a Dalit interpretation of Indian history, meaning an analysis of Indian history by Dalit historians.

]]> By: Vikram http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1679 Vikram Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:39:29 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1679 "Your knowledge about India is quite limited." Absolutely. With atleast 3000 years of very complex history, many many religions/languages/cultures I would have to be a very special person indeed to know a lot about India. That is why I try to learn. I am not saying that we have not seen a Dalit <strong>interpretation</strong> of Indian history, meaning an analysis of Indian history by Dalit historians. I did not say that there are no Dalits in your version of history. I guess my comment is sort of irrelevant to the main points you were trying to raise, so lets drop this thread. “Your knowledge about India is quite limited.” Absolutely. With atleast 3000 years of very complex history, many many religions/languages/cultures I would have to be a very special person indeed to know a lot about India. That is why I try to learn.

I am not saying that we have not seen a Dalit interpretation of Indian history, meaning an analysis of Indian history by Dalit historians. I did not say that there are no Dalits in your version of history.

I guess my comment is sort of irrelevant to the main points you were trying to raise, so lets drop this thread.

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1677 Unpretentious Diva Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:33:33 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1677 And as usual, you did not read whole article, one of its part is here. <a href="http://www.reasonforliberty.com/newgeneration/india-in-search-of-freedom-equality-and-justice.html" rel="nofollow"><strong> India in search of freedom, equality, and Justice.</strong></a> And as usual, you did not read whole article, one of its part is here.

India in search of freedom, equality, and Justice.

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1676 Unpretentious Diva Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:31:08 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1676 well, there are many South indian groups which claims that Chanakya was South indian. Also, Chandra gupta Maurya was a Dalit who became emperor of India. Your knowledge about India is quite limited. well, there are many South indian groups which claims that Chanakya was South indian.

Also, Chandra gupta Maurya was a Dalit who became emperor of India.

Your knowledge about India is quite limited.

]]> By: Vikram http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/a-peek-through-socio-political-culture-of-india.html#comment-1675 Vikram Tue, 06 Jan 2009 02:23:14 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=1614#comment-1675 Your view is pretty North-centric. Also it is primarily an upper caste narrative. I think we have not yet seen the Dalit interpretation of North Indian history and society. Your view is pretty North-centric. Also it is primarily an upper caste narrative. I think we have not yet seen the Dalit interpretation of North Indian history and society.

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