Want be an IAS Officer, please read this!

I found an IAS(Indian Administrative Services)1 aspirant asking this question2 (language edited) on Yahoo Answers!

Please please help…I wanna be a honest IAS officer….?
I wanna be a honest officer, but the thought of challenges posed by corrupt politicians pushes me back.
Is IAS a good and clean career?
I wanna serve the nation, but what if politicians don’t allow me to do so?
What is politicians interference in IAS officers work? Can IAS officer rejects politicians decision?
Please help! Can I prepare for this humongous exam? Is there any honest IAS officers in India?

I wanna be one of them. Are there any honest politicians? Name them i wanna work with them.

I answered this to him, and my answer was chosen by him the best answer with a 5 star rating by the asker:

If you wanna serve your nation then create some Capital!

We don’t need another bureaucrat, please.

Trying to become IAS officer to serve the country is like trying to serve women by becoming a rapist. It just doesn’t fit in.

My life as an average Indian is not improved by another IAS officer(honest or dishonest is irrelevant), my life is much more improved by an entrepreneur who can create wealth, like Azeem Premji and Narayan Murthy.

Creating wealth uplifts the hard working people of India, it makes the society better.
Becoming an IAS officer on the other hand is just another way to get authority and things for free. I know this because I know a lot of people who want to go to IAS.

You wanna serve your country, be a businessman, try to get rid of all the shackles around the businesses in India.

Being honest or dishonest is irrelevant, in fact the more dishonest you are, better it is for the public.

Make govt offices efficient: Bribe Them!

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151 comments for “Want be an IAS Officer, please read this!

  1. Mayuresh
    August 16, 2009 at 12:10 am

    “Serving the nation”?

    Nation is relatively new concept. They may even change their boundaries, merge etc. Society is older than nation.

    “Another IAS officer”?

    Their intake is limited, I think.
    An IAS officer can create an environment for creating wealth. e.g. infrastructural developments.

    “Creating wealth uplifts the hard working people of India, it makes the society better.”

    Wealth is created by “intelligence”.
    Economic growth” is a quantitative thing (difference of outputs) while “Economic development” is qualitative(has got something to do with quality of products and distribution of wealth), so difficult to measure.

  2. Roma
    August 16, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Just money is not enough to make the society better.And also we don’t need just a better society,we need it to be the best.For this only moneymakers are not needed,we need someone who wants to serve,who wants to bring peace&honesty,who has the courage to deal with the corrupt system,who thinks of his nation’s welfare more than his own.If you have all these qualities then go and become an IAS otherwise we have a lot of selfish Indians ,be one of them.

  3. Sajumon
    August 16, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Going by numbers, How many people like Azeem Premji and Narayan Murthy are there in India? May be some 4 or 5 more names like Ramadorai, Gopalakrishnan etc, far less than the number of IAS officers. Nobody knows the CEOs of lesser known software companies. IAS’s not about money, its about service.

  4. Pratap Sahoo
    August 16, 2009 at 12:11 am

    Yeah you are right !! Infact dreaming for an IAS – the civil servant , requires the desire for serving people and nations. It mere not a job. More pain you get than you gain. If you are corrupt then not an issue . If you are honest , and upright then be ready with your weapon of defending against all sort of politics, demoralisation, transfers, humilations. But you can fight under the constituitin lap-rules. Just dare to bear, and win … Thats all IAS. Yep entrepreneaur will be right choice to altogether a major portion for financial; security , as well self satisfication, where in you gain the colour of flying in life. May be IAS can not , and its under rules and constituition. Thanks, Pratap Kumat(kish_an2002@yahoo.co.in)

  5. roohi
    August 16, 2009 at 12:14 am

    being ias helps to serve nation……………
    protect nation by becoming ias officer
    shut up

  6. rohit
    August 16, 2009 at 12:15 am

    this is so unjust statement. You cant draw a comparison between business and governance. Its about serving the nation by ensuring the correct disposition of services so that the fruit of independence can be enjoyed by all.Monetary independence is not everything my friend.

  7. renegade_division
    August 16, 2009 at 12:15 am

    There is nothing unjust about this statement. You think there is something different about the governance, but the truth is there is none. Its not like someone wanted to work in movies and I told them join MBA program.

    I can see there are so many pissed people here, but what you guys don’t get it is that its just completely dishonest and unethical to work for the government. If you got your govt job before 1991(before India was liberalized) and you have been working in there since then you have at least an excuse that there was no other option. On the other hand, you only have power hungry tendencies if you want to work for the government.

    Forgetting the moralities, you can do much more by being a businessman. I mean why do you really want to be an IAS officer at the first place? The point you don’t get is free market also does that same job. Ambanis do the job of 500 IAS officers in India in terms of moving Gas, Oil, and running Telecom services. Tatas do the job of a 1000 IAS officers in planning resources through profit and loss calculations.

    Remember the License Raj? The reason behind the poor India we had until we liberalized it?? It was a pure outcome of Indian Administrative Services. I am not saying they formed the policies which resulted in license raj, but merely saying that they were the people who choked India.

    I hope we eliminate IAS altogether in the coming years.

  8. August 24, 2009 at 5:09 pm

    “free market also does that same job” – who creates this free market? Not Ambani’s but these administrative officers. Administration of nation needs administrative officers, in one name or the other. We need good administrative officers & politicians.

    And what makes you think these business folks are serving the nation? Given a choice between serving themselves (or family) and nation, how many of them will choose nation? Whatever your answer is, same holds good for these IAS officers.
    .-= Joseph Jude´s last blog ..Now you can create cases via Twitter =-.

  9. neerav harsh
    August 24, 2009 at 7:15 pm

    My dear renegade_division!
    You seem to be very strongly jaundiced against the government and India’s system of govt controlled economy(finding it unethical to work for the govt!!). So be it!
    Me being a callow in the field of capitalistic economy or the open economy, can u please answer some of questions in order to enlighten me about ‘the only panacea to india’s problems-open market’? please i insist!

    1)Where were these business bazigars when over one lakh farmers in india commited in last one year?
    ( one cannot question IAS because they cannot decide whether to give a subsidy to farmers at all! they can only survey and ‘suggest’ how much to be given)
    And why did my philanthropic business friends exacerbated the wounds of these farmers by selling the agricultural products at such higher prices!
    Even for dying these farmers had to use the pesticide the govt is selling for free!
    On the other hand there was a market crash on the Dalal street? The then finance minister had to jet to mumbai to console the many businessmen who had just lost crores of ‘notional’ money. Since the fortune of a farmer has lesser zeroes, so their lives also became less important!
    2) Wasn’t it the profit motive that actually RUNS the open economy was also the reason behind the cases like Bofor’s case or the cheap spare parts of MIG case(which killed many of our jawans who unlike u and me go to war & try to keep us safe by working with the govt)? If politicians were caught during the Tehelka case-who bribed them.THE OWNERS OF THE OPEN ECONOMY’!
    3) Somebody blamed the IAS for the license raj. I agree with that person completely. But who is responsible for the mafia raj?
    lemme answer this one!- it’s those business barons who want to control your open economy.
    4)What is wrong with United Nations that its surveys are saying that in the developed countries (i mean open economies like US and Uk), the barrier is constantly increasing between the rich and the poor,that is, the rich (owners of the open economy) become richer and the poor become poorer.
    5) What is the motive behind the kidney scams and our poachers? isn’t it just profit?
    6)Why is it that it is easier(cheaper) to get urea for a farmer if he grows cash crops than if he grows food grains?
    Because the businessmen want u grow only cash crops-it runs their business.
    7)Why is that CIPLA sells the medicines in Africa at Five times the actual price?
    8)Why is that even after so much protest the narmada dam was built which embibed the houses of almost 16 million people? Because of the pressure from IMF and World Bank who invest the unused capital of United States into the Business of Debt creation.
    9)Why is that a PIL in America after 9/11 had shown signs of funding by some MNCs in terrorist activities all over the globe?
    10)Why is that the most industrialized countries are harming the environment the highest! because the businessmen across the globe are not concerned about anything which means spending money and yet no profit from that.
    11) What are the vegetable vendors supposed to do after your Ambanis snatched away their only way to earn bread by opening the ‘Reliance Fresh’?

    For now i think this will be enough to satiate my thirst for the knowledge about open economy!

  10. renegade_division
    August 25, 2009 at 6:16 am

    @Joseph Jude said:

    “free market also does that same job” – who creates this free market? Not Ambani’s but these administrative officers.

    I am sorry dude but that’s highly inaccurate and dishonest.
    Would Free Market exist without these administrative officers? Yes it would.
    Would Free Market exist without Ambanis and only with these administrative officers, No it wouldn’t.

    We need good administrative officers & politicians.

    No we don’t need good(or bad) administrative officers and politicians you are totally wrong. All administrative officers do is create hurdles in the way of free enterprise.

    And what makes you think these business folks are serving the nation? Given a choice between serving themselves (or family) and nation, how many of them will choose nation?

    What you do not get is that your definition of ‘serving the nation’ is flawed.
    Serving the nation doesn’t mean throwing yourself in front of the speeding trains to stop them from going off a broken bridge.
    You can serve your nation and make HUGE profits.
    When Ambanis try to run a cell phone company they are helping the people by providing them with a means of communication and making profits.

    Do you really think India would be better off if Tatas, Ambanis, Birlas, Murthys and Premjis were social service workers working in the slums of Mumbai? What would you rather have, 1000 entrepreneurs creating massive services in India or 1000 social workers? I know I would choose the entreprenuers over social workers any day.

  11. ts just being about sensible
    August 29, 2009 at 2:50 am

    Hi,
    Its very to say “become a business man and serve the nation through money”.But, let me make a point here , how many of the businessmen can you recognize in India , who actually have the privilege of thinking beyond the daily profits and losses… how many of them think of saving their surplus income to their monetary treasury than to invest in repairing a leaking drainage sewage in front of their shops ? and yes, also not everybody else becomes another Azim Premji or Ambani,… don’t one realise that a competitive exam like IAS gives a child from a family of limited means an opportunity to serve his society , than to become a grocery ‘wala’ ‘bhaiya’ throughout his life…. even when he has seen and felt the need of an efficient administration among his strata of society more than a well-fed Ambani son,like most of us, living in a plush bungalow…. its not that IAS is corrupt but ‘we,the people of india’ that make it corrupt…
    and friend the entreprenuers which u r referring are only few high-level personalities who have gained sufficient mileage so that there up or down affects the economy of the country… rest all of them are small pawns who are more involved with the rise and rise of their own companies.. and for their profits they can go to even extent of harming the people,environment and nation at large… i do not need to cite such examples.. as there are plenty of them… and haan,, its nothing about getting pissed.. its just being about sensible ….

  12. September 5, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    I was shocked after reading the comments. People love this corrupt, diabolical, useless government…

    C’mon… Its unbelievable… people actually like the Police state… they want someone to be their “Master” who tells them how to run their lives…

    Now I know why the British could rule over us for more than 100 years… Its the mentality of people… the inferiority complex… they think a bunch of elected hoodlums can run their lives…

  13. its about just being sensible
    September 20, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    @Jackbid :
    hey,its not that people actually love this system..
    C’mmon how can you say that when people like u n me ridicule and swear with “sweet words” a hundred times the idiot government for its dirty garbage disposal system,its pathetic transit system n what not..
    its just that either we are too dumb to think of a new idea of governance or too lazy to move out of our confined domains and snatch away the charge from these “idiots” and lead a surge of new change…
    Well,umm…as far as only a “few bunch of people” are concerned then could u suggest another efficient method to coordinate a country of over 1 billion population…. ?(and haan.. it would be nice if you keep in mind the mentality of those 1 billion ppl too,
    while answering ..)

  14. tamanna
    October 19, 2009 at 2:53 am

    no. I completely disagree with your reply. business is entirely different from serving the nation. today india’s condition is like- rich are becoming richer and poor the poorer. so where is your monetary Independence helping India become independent. I want this ias aspirant 2 know that there was a gandhi. think what he thinks. read some of his books. they are a great moral booster. though I too am struggling with the same que that you are but 1 thing is for sure- ias will help you take decisions that will make a difference in the poor sections of our country and so too the the country itself. ias is a top position. it will help you with an opportunity 2 take your own decisions- and I hope justified decisions- that will help reform some lives.
    all the best.take decisions in favor of India. by the way why don’t you go for the option of being a politician? no better option 2 serve the country if you are that determined.anyways do ur best.
    god bless you.

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  15. crusader
    October 21, 2009 at 6:33 am

    The reason for flaw or bless in any society(in the sense, millions of people) is determined by the people who sit at the top. Since ours is a DEMOCRACY, we are given the chance to elect those for the top. All these measures either wanting to be an IAS or IPS or NGO’S working or social service organisations or XYZ etc etc.. is to correct(only minute correction) the flaws done by the top brass leaders(as we call them).
    My simple & straight question is why electing fools(since we were given chance to elect) & we becoming fools for the next 5 years? & why all these corrections in various forms with huge struggling?
    I know many constables & lower cadre employees who are sincere. But this crooked politicians are not allowing them to function independently with their own conscience & discretion.Thats the pity.
    We can’t say that I stay in isolation from the politics because from morning milk-packet till night jet-coil, we directly or indirectly need government to supply, control, monitor, regulate, check monopoly etc etc.So no isolation from politics & govt( clarified)
    So no use blaming IAS or NGO’s. Almost in every state, there are some crusader parties who understood the above said formula & are contesting like LOKSATTA in A.P, MKSS in maharashtra,in DELHI, KARNATAKA, T.N etc etc. almost in every state of INDIA. So for heaven’s sake, first be voters & try to change the country with a single valuable vote.
    THATS THE KEY FOR ALL THE PROBLEMS. ( no need of editorials, fightings here)

  16. aditya
    October 24, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    The best i understand from your advise to the fellow is you don’t agree with the way these IAS dudes work.

    If that is all to your objection (please correct me here if I’m wrong) then I’d disagree with you. I agree not every IAS officer is going to improve your life but the same stands true for every entrepreneur.

    ONE. Able administration is a backbone of any modern nation. And without these trained professionals (yes I’d consider them as one) our politicians would be taking unguided liberties for development. At least these guys provide our leaders with relevant options. I’d take current scenario anytime as against the likes of Mayawati taking all things in her hands. So first point is these guys DO make a difference by suggesting a flyover over an airport or a canal over a dam.

    Don’t confuse these guys with sarkari-babus. They are at a totally different level. They are the dispensable red tapestries.

    TWO. So in this case how does a blood red patriot do his duty honestly? My advise to the fellow wud be “become a part of the system. Rise to the highest ranks. EARN the right to fiddle with things. And then go on a clean up drive”.
    The very reason for existence of a hierarchy is so that no tom-harry-dick cud from wonderland could turn
    the system. This may be bad for quick change, but this is a fail safe mechanism that should not be meddled with. You want things done a certain way, then first prove that you have enough understanding of the system.

    THREE. so the question arises in such a dreadful corrupt system, how can you expect to be recognized let alone rewarded with a promotion? I’d say just do what u r supposed to do. Admin services are NOT supposed to make policy decisions, that’s what elected leaders r there for. We call it democracy. Seeing a failing project getting selected should not concern u. Just be true to sphere of work, n u will get recognized (sooner or later) cause the corrupt people are always short of people who can get things done (with a clean chit).

    FOUR. Local kirana-walla is as much of an entrepreneur as an Ambani or a Premji (albeit to a lesser degree). So if you r saying that an IAS officer a worth-less than ANY entrepreneur then again you are mistaken. I’d say an IAS would be in a much better position to affect your conviniences than MOST entrepreneurs put together.

    FIVE. Of course entrepreneurs are a valuable class n i agree we need more of them but this doesn’t mean that ALL IAS blokes ought to commit harakiri to take nation ahead by one step. We can very well use an additional officer who is ready to undergo the tests of one of the most hardened corrupt systems. One who is committed to cleanse the system slowly but effectively.

    So if the dude really craves for it, I’d ask him to go to hell from the depths of my heart :)

    If any of you guys feel otherwise please let me know at aditya.shirolkar@gmail.com

  17. aarar
    November 9, 2009 at 5:00 am

    Are you unaware of the power held by IAS officers.
    The power of authority given by law is incomparable.
    This power can be used both to serve the country and ,disgustingly to, fill one`s pocket.
    it is nobodys case that only IAS officers contribute to the society.but to serve directly you need to be in the governance side or social service side rather than in business.who reports abt new businesses and and help to allocates land to the market?who decides whether the company ur planning in the land is against the ecology of the place?who promotes certain business over others?who decides to develop infrastructure in place X to promote business?who facilitates economic devolopment?the freemarket you have envisaged is nowhere there in the world.without governance market cannot exist.the Ambanis and Tatas have always worked in collusion with the govt and evil bureaucrats .pls get some knowledge about how Ambani and govt goes hand in hand.
    an entreprenure is not an authority. He works to profit himself and indirectly contributes to the society.the administrator is an authority and is supposed (and has enough power)to govern thesociety, which includes the entreprenure, in the right direction..
    and about the upright IAS officers…there are lot many.and they mostly works behind the scenes.some who are upright ,but arrogant, have also attracted media attention and hence star value like Sheshan,K.J.Alphonse etc.Pls dont give ill advises.

  18. s.bharath
    November 26, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    @ renegade_division
    “Ambanis do the job of 500 IAS officers in India in terms of moving Gas, Oil, and running Telecom services. Tatas do the job of a 1000 IAS officers in planning resources through profit and loss calculations.”
    Plz dont misguide ppl!Get your facts right. Think before you write!IAS is for people who want to change the country and who have the courage to make a difference. India is a developing nation and she needs good administration and just not money spinning machines. If india has to improve its just not possible by business men alone. it needs a collaborative effort and it has to start from me and you.

  19. VJS
    December 8, 2009 at 9:58 am

    @ S BHARATH

    Mr BHARATH you said:

    1)”IAS is for people who want to change the country and who have the courage to make a difference”

    ANS(1): please name the IAS people who changed the country for better and made a positive difference….
    all majority instances i hear are negative

    BUT I CAN QUOTE THOUSAND ENTREPRENEURS that did do what is needed by this country…and fewer negative instances
    BUT all imbeciles wud say they dont distribute money to poor…
    people economics doesn’t work that way..i know you dont know about THE INVISIBLE HAND….but it means that economics doesn’t knock your door and give u presents..but just that with all the jobs they create …the goods they make…this pushes a society towards progress..but ur IAS ppl not satisfied with their loot would not let others do their duty…

    tell me how many PSU’s (headed by IAS) are profitable….only a few (without competition like RAILWAYS,ONGC etc) are and only those which have been listed and adopted CORPORATE MANNERISMS…

    2)”India is a developing nation and she needs good administration and just not money spinning machines. If india has to improve its just not possible by business men alone”

    ANS(2): agreed india needs good administration ut does these corrupt IAS IPS give us a good administration…NO they even thwart the attempts of some honest officers

    NOT TO MENTION…THEY WONT CATCH TRUE TAX EVADERS of whom they are lapdogs but would thwart any young entrepreneur who wants to do good but these officers u cherish wud PULL A 1000 rules out of their ass and stop them…i think you dont know INDIA LINGERS IN THE BOTTOM of the list titled “EASE OF DOING BUSINESS”

    THE ABOVE WAS MY REPLY TO THIS DUDE NOW THIS IS WT I THINK….

    GOOD BUSINESSMAN — -BAD BUSINESS MAN

    1)people if a business man is good he would cause betterment of:
    a)himself and his family
    b)his employees- by creating jobs
    c)area around him- by producing goods and services
    d)poor- by doing charity or other constructive work

    2)and if a business man is bad he would cause betterment of
    a,b,c (same as above)
    d)even if he omits ‘d’ from above he is not causing any harm, why are IAS fans against the poor guy if he is making some money,
    e)the only harm he does is some crime like adulteration or tax evasion BUT LET ME REMIND IAS FANS…that these crimes are possible only because IAS,IRS,IPS dont do their duty, they joined it not because of any concern for service of indians..they jus want a red light and lots of money without hardwork….
    NOW IAS FANS can argue that there can be GOOD IAS DO…but let me tell you what…THE MAJORITY OF DIRTY IAS FRATERNITY would stop these good people (we have many examples)

    CONCLUSION- GOOD businessmen do LOTS OF GOOD and BAD businessmen do a LITTLE LESS GOOD (BUT THEY GOOD)

    NOW Lets study the second case:
    GOOD IAS — -BAD IAS

    1)IAS has no job being good or bad he has come there by his own choice..he swears that he would serve the country but all he does is a blatant rape of the country…
    He is bound by duty to serve the people…thats why he is given a red light as a symbol of esteem above common man…he is supposed to lead the people…serve them…
    politicians are filthy idiots…IAS should boycott their nefarious designs they have been given such powers but they chose not to….these intelligent IAS concoct sophisticated schemes to assist politicians to denude mother india and get a paltry tip in return…
    THEY WANT TO EQUAL THE WEALTH OF BUSINESSMEN but are not willing to grind themselves….so use cheap shortcuts..

    REMEMBER THIS IS NOT FOR HONEST IAS ppl…my father is an army officer too…BUT THE PROBLEM is the DIRTY FRATERNITY murders the honest whistleblowers, transfer them, abuse them and what not….the only problem is that these DIRTY IAS are in OVERWHELMING MAJORITY…

    remember politicians and IAS cant do anything without each other…even if 50% of one of the groups chose to stop corruption it would be achieved in no time…BUT THEY WONT….politicians want intelligent IAS to loot the common people and IAS want politicians to save them from law as IAS wants nothin but commit innumerable crimes…be it bribery, their children creating raucous,
    flaunting traffic rules, favoritism, assisting there businessmen friend to flaunt all rules and regulations

    CONCLUSION:
    BUSINESSMEN CAN BE GOOD OR BAD…in both ways he contributes
    the wrongs they commit are supposed to be checked by IAS, IPS…

    IAS and all have no option….they are supposed to be good…but they are criminals assisting more and bigger criminals…

    SOLUTION:

    country needs both…although MORE BUSINESSMEN and very few IAS IPS….
    the problem can be cured if new IAS ENTRANTS REALLY JOIN THE SERVICES TO SERVE….soon they will overcrowd the bad fish and exterminate them…but only if they want to ….and that is not a near case…almost all people i know take IAS coachings in delhi to have that RED LIGHT CAR….and beat the hell out of asses of common man…

  20. crusader
    December 10, 2009 at 8:18 am

    The reason for flaw or bless in any society(in the sense, millions of people) is determined by the people who sit at the top. Since ours is a DEMOCRACY, we are given the chance to elect those for the top. All these measures either wanting to be an IAS or IPS or NGO’S working or social service organisations or XYZ etc etc.. is to correct(only minute correction) the flaws done by the top brass leaders(as we call them).
    My simple & straight question is why electing fools(since we were given chance to elect) & we becoming fools for the next 5 years? & why all these corrections in various forms with huge struggling?
    I know many constables & lower cadre employees who are sincere. But this crooked politicians are not allowing them to function independently with their own conscience & discretion.Thats the pity.
    We can’t say that I stay in isolation from the politics because from morning milk-packet till night jet-coil, we directly or indirectly need government to supply, control, monitor, regulate, check monopoly etc etc.So no isolation from politics & govt( clarified)
    So no use blaming IAS or NGO’s. Almost in every state, there are some crusader parties who understood the above said formula & are contesting like LOKSATTA in A.P, MKSS in maharashtra,in DELHI, KARNATAKA, T.N etc etc. almost in every state of INDIA. So for heaven’s sake, first be voters & try to change the country with a single valuable vote.
    Until & unless political equations & political mindsets change, nothing can be seen as a hope.

    @VJS
    boss, everyone, even a 3rd class child knows that the system is rotten & things are utterly going wrong. Y again telling the same known fact ( mixed with pessimism) here? Now the struggle has to be:— HOW to get rid of this? how to change this? how to rectify,repair it? Y again telling the same thing again & again.

    VJS, pls be positive.there may be 10 out of 100 odd ones, but the remaining 90 are with high zeal & enthusiasm. I hope u heard of resigned IAS officers like Arunarai (MKSS), Dr.jaiprakash narayan (LOKSATTA) etc etc. They didn’t come out of frustration & depression. They came out of the service as nothing is left for them to do there & probably India needs much more out of them. They came out shouting EUREKA…….EUREKA…….as they had understood where the rot is!! They r real scholars who had understood the evolution of the society. U may be scholar in your own aspect……but u can’t grow heights if u keep on struggling with the problem.we have solutions for everything, lets work towards that. people aspiring towards that have spirit within them otherwise they would have entered into a B-school rather than Mussorie academy.

    JAIHIND

  21. VJS
    December 10, 2009 at 10:23 am

    @CRUSADER..

    well bro..i think you have misinterpreted me…
    i know what i wrote is patent and obvious to everyone but not to those few to whom my comment was originally targeted…actually when i arrived here i saw people arguing over who is good: IAS or BUSINESSMEN

    so i explained using simplest possible language with solid reasons:
    a) BUSINESSMEN can be good ord bad but in both cases they contribute to society…

    b)In case a businessman is hurting our ecosystem it is GOVT’s duty to check, stop, curb the same but on the contrary GOVT creates a favorable habitat for such wrongdoers….but why this CONNIVANCE hurts more is that GOVT is pretty inactive in weeding out the pests but IS FULLY ACTIVE in impeding the good people be it IAS or BUSINESSMEN or SOCIALWORKERS from changing the system…

    c)IAS have no choice being good or bad, they are paid to work for the country’s good

    Secondly I am not a pessimist…nor do i propagate pessimism…as i have, though simple, suggested conclusion and solution to the problem…which you completely missed

    Also you yourself have conceded that the capable IAS which is in minority abominate the corrupt majority and are forced to resign….though your figures are exact opposites….of what they are in actuality….

    ELECTION is no solution on the following grounds:
    (this is not pessimism but reality)

    a) majority in india is illiterate they cant discern between what is good or bad for them
    b) this illiterate majority is swayed more by religious, casteist, regionalistic propaganda..and not development issues
    c) the literate minority controls its population but the illiterate majority has qualms in endless reproduction and so the illiterate will always reign with their illiterate chieftans who will further promote illiteracy, computer and english hatred….and hence more illiterate people…and ROUND AND ROUND in this way…and what we get an UNBREAKABLE VICIOUS CIRCLE…

    SO THE SOLUTION IS
    (bro CRUSADER..please read it this time or you will again be calling me a pessimistic who harps on problems but is ineffectual in providing solutions)

    The solution lies in youth..the capable youth the enlightened youth would soon be exasperated and hence would seek knowledge and means…already enlightened youth will through such blogs and what not will guide more like them…and they will start to become a powerful force (this istuation will come i dont know when…no1 knows when..but certainly it hasnt arrived yet)
    at that time such youth will drive big businessess, hold public offices..Businesses would provide employment and distract youth from futile activities like beating up others at bars and hampering valentine days and participating in plundering towns, chakka jaam, bandh in the name of PEACEFUL PROTESTS..these activities are found flourishing where unemployment is high…so businesses even though bad according to some IAS fans would do a lot good (IN FACT NO SON OF A GUN can measure the absolute good direct/indirect done by trade and business….the humanity progessed so much only due to trade my dear bro…. )

    Also good, motivated and new youthful IAS would play a part,Such IAS would not worship these idiot leaders..they would be ready to resign at the very moment they are asked to part ways with their principles (such mesures i.e. resignations doesnt work today beacuse such good people are in minority…but not tomorrow…wen one good IAS threatening to resign…wud mean a call to 100 others who would support him that way no politician would dare to transfer or exploit them at his fancies and whims…

    Bro the solution lies in EDUCATION…..
    If goveremnet doesnt promote it…the youth one day will…for sure……innumerable good souls are alreday doing so…
    the contribution of everyone might not be very big…
    consider this blog…at least it kinders a fire in many who visit it…many who change for good after visiting it…

    the solution is a network of youth….a network that propagates knowledge….good thought…a network…that reprobates and highlights wrongs…a network that teches good values….shares values….discusses values…and on and on and on…
    MY FRIEND THIS IS NOT MY DREAM…this is the ONE AND ONLY SOLUTION….

    WE SHOULD discusss these things, try to cultivate good values in our siblings and friends…

    I HOPE YOU GET ME…..HOPE I DONT SOUND LIKE A DRUNKARD…
    this is my solution…you are invited to propose yours…

  22. VJS
    December 10, 2009 at 10:32 am

    @ CRUSADER @ CRUSADER @ CRUSADER @ CRUSADER

    bro bro bro…i am deeply offended by your following statement
    “we have solutions for everything, lets work towards that. people aspiring towards that have spirit within them otherwise they would have entered into a B-school rather than Mussorie academy.”

    what do you wanna say….THAT B-SCHOOL aspirants dont have the spirit to do good…
    brother the whole article and these long episodes have incontrovertibly proved that BUSINESS PEOPLE….do only good and no harm to society…and any harm they might cause should be controlled by the GOVT….why dont you get this simple point….
    YOU MUST READ MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS…(the ones to which you reacted and then provide evidence for your statement)
    what you have commented is plain wrong and unfair judgement…
    atleast provide us with a little insight as to why do you think so….and if you really think so….please counter the reasons given by me that oppose what you have mentioned…

  23. crusader
    December 15, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    “brother the whole article and these long episodes have incontrovertibly proved that BUSINESS PEOPLE….do only good and no harm to society…and any harm they might cause should be controlled by the GOVT….why dont you get this simple point….”—–
    dear VJS, renegade is fighting against the govt…. He don’t want a govt or some other authority to control evil deeds of men or whatever it may be.
    U saying that govt should control evil-doers.Even though thats the fundamental idea behind setting up of a govt,we can’t insist on someone to control & correct u for every thing. We should learn from our mistakes. Every person should inculcate some moral-code within.Thats the real intention. Govt or some other regulator can only stop to some extent. Inner sense can do wonders.

    Moreover if properly functioned with will & determination (with a good team + daring head + wise advisors + able executive), a GOVT will be the largest social-service organisation. Its true. It happened in Our country in 60′s & 70′s.But now pittily the real problem lies in rot in the govt & pessimism in the people ( as politics transformed from social service —–> pucca business). The reasons are some pests entered the field & spoiled the crop ( may be in the form of hereditary politics or kinships or etc etc) in 1980′s & 90′s.
    IAS aspiring people are those who are somewhat emotionally ahead of all others otherwise they would have been aspiring to become businessmen or politicians or tycoons. Y on hell they would struggle for that long & pass that hegemonious exam!! Moreover what I personally feel is “one who had read the CONSTITUTION OF INDIA (anyone can read it but IAS aspirants must read it) with heart willn’t do any wrong, will work with their full conscience, will be having a moral code running inside & will definitely feel others sufferings as his own…………… Thats all what I can say!!

    JAIHIND

  24. VJS
    December 17, 2009 at 1:09 am

    @CRUSADER…

    I HAVE FULL RESPECT FOR GOOD PPL LIKE YOU.
    Yes as you and i pointed out we need good ppl….
    those who r already enlightened should enlighten more ppl…
    We all can and should make a difference…

    What i, and maybe Renegade also,think is that due to the level of infection in government machinery it has become very difficult to treat it from within…
    u know some organs have to be amputated…
    im not sayin that we should do away with government…
    all im trying 2 convey is that we should rage an all out war from ll fronts….inside and outside…
    IF YOU ARE FOR THIS YOU…..god bless you…

    but im personally very dissatisfied with the intentions of the youth even in this day….who wants to join IAS…(this might not be the case with you and many more)

    But i see a lot of youth taking up ENTREPRENEURSHIP to circumscribe this GOVERNMENT BARRICADE….advance in life….and in the process directly/indirectly help innumerable others…

    our ends are same only the means are different and i don’t think its wrong…

    i just criticize those who criticize entrepreneurs….
    as i believe that entrepreneurs do more good than harm…
    JAI HIND
    and god bless you…

  25. Mehul Manoharan
    December 31, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Everyone has one’s own opinion.

    I am in no right to oppose your comment , my friend.

    So, lets Wake UP and Do something.

    I believe, if one is really committed, dedicated and strive to be an IAS officer for the betterment of the society and works effortlessly for the same in the right direction, he ought to be a successful Indian Officer.

    Correct use of the brain at the right time and right place could well be very beneficial in the long run.

    Let me mark the change (torchbearer) starting from the small province of my fate and later spread the victory of a strong desired dream of the past in the future.

    GooD LucK

  26. January 23, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    My brother and sister,
    Jai Hind.
    I have go through deeply and found main weakness IAS regulars is,-? Promoted
    IAS from the states from, they are the main cause of down fall for (Regulars IAS)
    I have proof please contact.
    For all specially for IAS wish to be or is already IAS please read and think.
    1. A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.

    2. Even if a snake is not poisonous, it should pretend to be venomous.

    3. The biggest guru-mantra is: Never share your secrets with anybody. It will destroy you.

    4. A debt should be paid off till the last penny; an enemy should be destroyed without a trace.

    5. There is some self-interest behind every friendship. There is no friendship without self-interests. This is a bitter truth.

    6. before you start some work, always ask yourself three questions – Why am I doing it, what the results might be and will I be successful. Only when you think deeply and find satisfactory answers to these questions, go ahead.

    7. As soon as the fear approaches near, attack and destroy it.

    8. The world’s biggest power is the youth and beauty of a woman.

    9. Once you start a working on something, don’t be afraid of failure and don’t abandon it. People who work sincerely are the happiest.

    10. A good wife is one who serves her husband in the morning like a mother does loves him in the day like a sister does and pleases him like a prostitute in the night.
    thanks
    R.K.R.vashist

  27. Jokhan
    January 25, 2010 at 10:51 am

    For those who are lobbing for “business is only to develop the nation”.. Pls do not forget when you become Ramlinga raju for satyam then what happens to nation. When you get beaten in Australia or else where, do not get visa or other regulation issue..it is the system finally you go for help.

    If you feel only IAS is curropt: remember the pillars of a country otherthan government, Judiciay and media. In both judiciay and media business has been practice and what is the result totally curropt, paid news..etc..
    So remember nation is not just for few selfsufficient people but it is about every one who lives in the country.

    • Renegade Division
      January 25, 2010 at 1:37 pm

      I did not say IAS is corrupt because some IAS officers are corrupt, even if IAS is built by 100% honest officers it still doesn’t change the fact that its inherently corrupt. The power to initiate aggression against the voluntary cooperation of market activities is what makes IAS corrupt.

      Is an honest Rape Minister(of the Dept of Rape Ministry) really honest? It doesn’t matter if he is honestly doing his job or not, his job is inherently wrong and corrupt.

      And tell me what happened to nation with Ramalinga Raju, a guy who swindled thousands of stock investors, who voluntarily gave him his money.
      Compare that to the thousands of ministers and IAS officer who ‘honestly’ take money from people against their consent, and keep our nation in perpetual poverty, then create all sorts of reasons on why India is not as rich as a western country.

      You are literally trying to imply that, if I give my money to a bank officer and he embezzles it and spends it, then that is worse than a Robber, who steals my money, and then honestly spends it on his kids or his neighbor’s kids and wife.

      Jokhan I don’t know which world do you live in, but there is absolutely no comparison of a news agency willingly taking money to publish news about a politician in paper, and a politician forcefully taking YOUR money and hiring IAS officers.

      How can you justify theft, and robbery and somehow make it look worse than voluntary transactions? You’ve absolutely no idea when you compare private sector corruption with public sector honesty. I am sorry.

  28. January 26, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Author: jitendervashist
    Comment:
    My brother and sister,
    Jai Hind.
    I have go through deeply and found main weakness IAS regulars is,-? Promoted
    IAS from the states from, they are the main cause of down fall for (Regulars IAS)
    I have proof please contact.
    For all specially for IAS wish to be or is already IAS please read and think.
    1. A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.

    2. Even if a snake is not poisonous, it should pretend to be venomous.

    3. The biggest guru-mantra is: Never share your secrets with anybody. It will destroy you.

    4. A debt should be paid off till the last penny; an enemy should be destroyed without a trace.

    5. There is some self-interest behind every friendship. There is no friendship without self-interests. This is a bitter truth.

    6. before you start some work, always ask yourself three questions – Why am I doing it, what the results might be and will I be successful. Only when you think deeply and find satisfactory answers to these questions, go ahead.

    7. As soon as the fear approaches near, attack and destroy it.

    8. The world’s biggest power is the youth and beauty of a woman.

    9. Once you start a working on something, don’t be afraid of failure and don’t abandon it. People who work sincerely are the happiest.

    10. A good wife is one who serves her husband in the morning like a mother does loves him in the day like a sister does and pleases him like a prostitute in the night.
    thanks
    R.K.R.vashist

  29. Narendra
    February 4, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Hi Renegade,
    I understand your anguish against the corrupt system in which we are living today. May be the news channels, print media have a lot of influence on your views. But I need to say that I totally disagree with your statement “Even if IAS is made up of 100% honest…..”.

    We need to understand the importance of having moderate regulations on private sector. Just to give an example, we are not totally affected by recent recession mainly because of the regulations being imposed by RBI on commercial banks. Even Obama in US is trying to impose regulations on their banking system now to prevent future recessions. In any country economy is just one of the major aspects to be administered. And to have a boosting economic growth I agree with you that there should not be major hurdles from govt side.

    But there are other aspects like security, research, education, health, law and order etc.

    If you place national security in the hands of Ambanis they would unhesitatingly sell that out for money. The role of Ambanis in the society is to add value to the goods and services and make profits. I could say with absolute certainity that Defence is not one of these services that require value addition from Ambanis.

    Ours is not a developed nation and most of the citizens are not insured for health. With utmost pain I should say that more than 70% of our fellow countrymen cannot afford to get treated in any of the private hospitals which are owned by industrial barons like Ambanis. These so called uplifters of our nation also know these facts. Even then would they compromise on the medical charges that they would levy ? Whether it is good or bad, common man is still going to the govt hospital for treatment.

    And the day when law and order is owned by a private company is the death day of the nation. Implementation of law and order needs should be impartial. And we cannot expect impartiality from a pvt ltd company.

    Finally, when our nation is under attack it is the men of govt.(Army, NSG, IPS officers) who risked their lives for our safety but not Ambanis. Life is much precious than money.

    So these services should be placed in the hands of an agency which should be headed by those who are elected by the nation. And that agency is our govt. As we cannot expect the elected people to have in depth understanding of the day to day business we need dedicated taskforce which would carry out the policies of govt, give advices to govt while formulating policies and deliver the services to people. This taskforce required selfless citizens from the citizens of the nation. IAS/IPS officers are those citizens who formulate policies for better delivery of these services. So theoritically, IAS/IPS are very essential services that we need. If few people are corrupt there then we should make sure they are caught and punished. And the punishment should be so severe that any officer should be afraid to accept bribes. But complete elimination of the service is not the solution for this.

    In any society absolute liberty is not possible and even it is harmful to the society itself.

    • Unpretentious Diva
      February 4, 2010 at 5:36 pm

      Narendra, Obama is moron. He is ruining US, we are taking of improving India.

      US is honest enough to state that it is in recession when it is in recession, although US is not honest enough to state that it is in recession because of government reguations and bubble creations that burst.

      India or China are much more dishonest because they are regulated.

      India is suffering hyper inflation because of RBI the government regulatory tool. India is suffering much more unemployment rate than US, no matters US is in recession. Its Indians who suffer manutrition, no matters India is not suffering recession.

      China is much more regulated than India, Chinese are suffering more.

      Biggest bubble in history’s growing every day http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/Biggest-bubble-in-historys-growing-every-day/articleshow/5536524.cms

      Socialism is rape, mixed regulated economy is legalizing rape. Free economy is respect.

      Abolish IAS Abolish RBI,

    • Unpretentious Diva
      February 4, 2010 at 5:37 pm

      Narendra, Obama is moron. He is ruining US, we are taking of improving India.

      US is honest enough to state that it is in recession when it is in recession, although US is not honest enough to state that it is in recession because of government reguations and bubble creations that burst.

      India or China are much more dishonest because they are regulated.

      India is suffering hyper inflation because of RBI the government regulatory tool. India is suffering much more unemployment rate than US, no matters US is in recession. Its Indians who suffer malnutrition, no matters India is not suffering recession.

      China is much more regulated than India, Chinese are suffering more.

      Biggest bubble in history’s growing every day http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/Biggest-bubble-in-historys-growing-every-day/articleshow/5536524.cms

      Socialism is rape, mixed regulated economy is legalizing rape. Free economy is respect.

      Abolish IAS Abolish RBI.

      Also, problem for US is not recession, it is fiscal deficit, which was caused because goveernment regulations and subsidies/taxation.

      Here a US economic commenter suggests the ways to let US free of national debt

      Kill yiour favourite subsidy to win the deficit war:
      http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aBKBXFWxjVxY

      He openly says reduce government, reduce regulations.

      India is aslo suffering extreme fiscal deficits and national debts, when will India start deregulation?

  30. Narendra
    February 5, 2010 at 8:55 am

    India is suffering from high inflation not because of RBI but because of ever growing demand for goods. That is because of continous increase in our population and supplies to meet the requirements are not adequate. RBI is controlling inflation by increasing CRR etc because it can do very little to increase the supply of goods.

    I too support free economy. And as we know our country has already moved to the regime of free market. Govt is also encouraging setup of new industries thru SEZs etc. Now a days we see there is a healthy competition among various states and cities to attract new investments. Public sector dominance is still there in some sectors like energy etc. But govt is seriously considering disinvestment from these companies. Recent example is disinvestment from NTPC.

    If we abolish RBI, who would control the availability of currency in the market ? Who would provide loans to the aspiring entrepreneurs ? Who would be the custodians of foreign exchange that we earn through exports ? We all still remember those days of early 1990s when we had to sell off our gold bcos of lack of forex reserves to make payments to our imports .
    If there is huge amount of currency than required then value of rupee would fall causing inflation. If there is less currency in the market than required then it would appreciate the value of rupee causing troubles to exporters of our country. Who would maintain that balance of availability of money ?
    So giving a loose statement like “abolish RBI..” wouldn’t serve better for us.

    Before abolishing any establishment, we need to understand the objectives of that est. and see if it is not at all serving the purpose. If there are any deficiencies, we need to find out how to correct them.

    Ours is still a young nation facing lots of difficulties. Still the fruits of our economic growth has not percolated to the bottom of our society. More than 30% of our people are illiterate and unskilled. And these 30% are leading life below poverty line. Free market couldn’t afford to provide employment opportunities to these semi skilled, unskilled people. Only the fittest can survive in free market. Just because of lack of skill we cannot allow our fellow country men to starve. Instead we need to provide opportunities to these deprived to acquire skills. Until then govt. should launch programs to support these sections of people. To implement these programs we need men and money. Money would come to govt through various taxes etc. But how could it get dedicated men for this task ? It cannot offload this task to any private company. This is where we need different services like IAS etc. Today several govt programs were being implemented succesfully like NREGA etc.

    So free market and govt. can coexist and complement each other. We need both of these and we cannot afford to lose any of the two. Earlier govt. used to participate directly in the industrial sector by establishing many heavy industries esp during second five year plan(1956-61). This is purely because of the circumstances. To establish heavy industries like Steel production etc, we need huge machinery, capable and skilled people which very few people like Tatas could manage to do that. But govt. cannot expect good number of Tatas to come up at that point of time because of the prevailing conditions like low forex reserves, heavy poverty, low literacy rates. So it established industries with the partnership of foreign nationals and gave a push to industry. Once it has taken off properly and could sustain on itself, it is slowly withdrawing from it. So I don’t see any wrong in it.

    So while we outline the major drawbacks in our system, which is very good, we should be able to suggest an alternative or solution to the issue. The best way is that some of us, who would really love to see India free of poverty, illiteracy, unemployment and to make India a land of opportunities, enter into IAS, IPS and Politics. By doing this we can atleast stop corrupt people to ride our nation. We know that we have problems with lot of things. But we cannot afford to sit here and keep on being cynical about the things which are affecting us all around. Because one action towards solving a problem is better that thousand criticisms about the problem. We are young and have lot of energy to identify and solve the issues. Why should we be so pessimistic about the future of our country ? I am one of those citizens who would really love to see my country flourishing in the arena of world. So I am preparing for Civil Services. I do not know the name of the IAS aspirant who started this thread but I would like to wish him success in all his efforts.

    • Unpretentious Diva
      February 5, 2010 at 10:09 am

      not because of RBI but because of ever growing demand for goods.

      It would be better that you open up your closed eyes and mind. Inflation is direct result of money printed by RBI under government orders. What do you call inflation in hindi? I call it Mudra Sfeeti, Increase in amount of currency issued by RBI.

      Its ok, you are not the one who will understand anything reasonable. Keep serving the creed of IAS robbers.

  31. Narendra
    February 6, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Diva, did you ever think why RBI is printing currency ? It has to print money for three reasons.
    1)Against govt. securities
    2)Against Demand deposits
    3)Against Foreign Exchange
    To stimulate economic growth in our country there is a need for lot of capital investment. Lack of Capital is one of major reasons for unemployment in India. So govt put up its securities with RBI and makes it to print Money for it so that it could be used as govt. expenditure. We often see expenditure exceeds revenue in our budgets. From where would that excess money come ? RBI gives against govt. securities. So it is not the fault of RBI. For the excess money entered into the market there should be equivalent excess supply produced. If there is a mismatch b/w these two obviously inflation gets pushed up. So to reduce inflation, RBI pulls back some money back from market. It has done it recently by increasing CRR by 75bp.

    There is a trade off b/w inflation and economic growth. If you try to control one, other gets affected.

    If you dont understand the basics, it is my waste of time to have an argument with you. Nobody rewards you for using such obscene words against what you dont like. My intention is not to convince you but urging you to have a balanced mind and judgement while putting up your opinion. Because you are one of the guys who think for the good of our country and expressing concern about the misuse of power etc.

  32. james
    March 7, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    fucking answer…..you suck…

  33. March 12, 2010 at 8:14 am

    i will be an honest offocer by reading the upwards comments . i will serve the country. its my dream to become an ias officer. thanks to all u for writing such good messages

  34. March 12, 2010 at 8:21 am

    people always see the salary and the post instead of the work of the person. AN IAS OFFICER MEANS AN COUNTRY WORKER OF ADMINSTRATION . I SALUTE ALL THE IAS OFFICERS AND LATER I SEE MY NAME ALSO ABOVE IN THE LIST OF IAS OFFICERS. I THINK THE POLITICIANS SHOULD WORK UNDER THE IAS OFFICERS AS THE POLITICS WORLD IS THAT WHAT THEY SAY CANT DO BUT WHAT IAS OFFUCERS DO FOR IT ITS VERY FOR THE WELFARE OF THE COUNTRY. AND I FEEL IAS IS THE PERFECT JOB FOR THE WELBEING AND UPLIFTMENT OF OUR COUNTRY. ITS PLEASURE TO SEE THIS GOOD THOUGHTS OF THE PEOPLE BY READING THE ABOVE MESSAGES. I LOVE ALL THE IAS OFFICERS AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN GOO COMMENT ABOVE. THANK YOU ALL

  35. IIMA
    March 24, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Hi,

    I have seen a lot of articles on the net praising IAS officers and how intelligent they are. There a few myths that I would like to expose in those stories:

    Myth 1) IAS is the most difficult exam since more applicant appear for it and fewer successful candidates.

    I feel today mostly people who are not successful earlier on in their career or can afford to site idle at home are the ones who are more successful in IAS. Hence majority of the candidates are the leftouts, so competing amongst them is easier than competing in an entrance exam where the general level of intellect is higher.

    2) Some of my IAS friends will say no look IIT/IIM graduates also appear for IAS.
    Yes but generally IIT/IIM candidates do better than ordinary candidates. Many toppers have been from these institutes.

    3) If you are successful earlier on in IIT/IIM and earn a high salary there is no need to go for IAS. Money has a lot of power and can bring whatever you want along with it.

    4) Mostly all the IAS aspirants will tell you they want to serve the country etc, it is plain and simple nonsense. They are simply there to earn money and misuse power.

    5) Would you as an honorable person be willing to join a profession that is based on the foundation of corruption?

    6) The other reason to join IAS is we will be framing policies and work profile is very challenging.

    This is a plain and simple lie. Havent we read of IAS officers being marked present on job but staying in the US? The country can run very well without the IAS officers, but instead if we have people who are not intelligent but dedicated.

    7) An IAS officer framing policies for the power sector without any experience in the power sector. An IAS officer looking after a public venture fund to promote an industry without any knowledge of finance.

    This service is meant to be disastrous. When they dont have the technical knowledge or skills to perform the jobs, the only thing they would do is ask money. Would you guys look to join a top PE firm or consulting company or a public fund?

  36. S.M.Faizan Ilahi
    April 5, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Hi,
    I am really feeling very hppy after reading
    these comments and Insha allah i will be a
    honest ias officer.

  37. RSS
    April 6, 2010 at 6:01 am

    You will not be an honest IAS officer you will become a terrorist IAS officer. Muslims should be banned from such important positions.

  38. Vishaka
    April 7, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I want to know more about what is required qualification and criteria to become an I.A.S Officer .

  39. Divyank
    April 9, 2010 at 7:36 am

    i think IAS officers are the most dynamic people in the country as they pass the world’s most competitive exam as per wikipedia….and moreover they are the ones who direct the ministers in the state assemblies and union ministery…even our PM is guided by 10 IAS officers who work in the PMO.

  40. Crusader
    April 12, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Well said Divyank,Neha & other good samaritans above.Initially I was also misled by the answer of this fictious Renegade division but later I had done some retrospection of these services & some introspection of myself.I came to a dynamic conclusion that all the civil servants are the “STEEL PILLARS OF THE NATION”. Upon them is embodied the responsibility of safeguarding the constitution,human-rights,democratic values etc etc etc..

    There are corrupted officials in each & every field.But based on that we shouldn’t judge the entire auspicious services itself.A good policy written with values & common sense keeping in mind all the loopholes will serve a nation for a 1000 years.Recent example is the ‘Right to Information Act’ brought with the help of sacred institutions like LOKSATTA & MKSS. Hatsoff to the people’s endeavour in bringing it out.

    Likewise a single good,honest official brings light to the lives of many.Remember “A SINGLE PERSON WITH CONVICTION IS A MAJORITY”.

    Lastly note it down Renegade:– ‘The roots of your thinking itself are with great flaw.You are supposed to realise & you WILL realise.’
    Try to lend a brick in the building of a nation,never try for its destruction.

    It is man & man alone who creates history.Despite many crests&troughs,people will finally emerge victorious & go in freedom in a classless society free from exploitation of all forms.

    Cheers,
    CRUSADER

    • Unpretentious Diva
      April 12, 2010 at 9:58 am

      @ crusader
      Renegade division is not fictitious, its you who is fictitious and misled along with Divyank, Neha and some other chihuahuas.

  41. Ex IAS
    April 13, 2010 at 6:00 am

    Just by saying “we are corrupt but since I believe others too are corrupt, my corruption is justified” is an illogical way to put justify your position. How many CEOs in professional firms are caught sleeping over 3 Crores of money in the bed? Yes people outside too might be corrupt but the % of corrupt ias officer will be atleast 10 time the corruption of people working in professional service firms. Without corruption anyway who would give a hoot for 25,000 job and giving salam to illiterate ministers for postings?

  42. VJS
    April 14, 2010 at 3:12 am

    ALL DIEHARD IAS FANS READ THIS AND REFUTE THIS IF YOU CAN WITH SOLID TRUE ARGUMENTS, WITHOUT EMOTIONAL RANTINGS, WITHOUT HAPHAZARD CORPORATE BASHING AND OTHER ILLOGICAL SOPHISTRIES….
    GOOD BUSINESSMAN — -BAD BUSINESSMAN
    1)people if a business man is good he would cause betterment of:
    a)himself and his family
    b)his employees- by creating jobs
    c)area around him- by producing goods and services
    d)poor- by doing charity or other constructive work
    2)and if a business man is bad he would cause betterment of
    a,b,c (same as above)
    d)even if he omits ‘d’ from above he is not causing any harm, why are IAS fans against the poor guy if he is making some money,
    e)the only harm he does is some crime like adulteration or tax evasion BUT LET ME REMIND IAS FANS…that these crimes are possible only because IAS,IRS,IPS dont do their duty, they joined it not because of any concern for service of indians..they jus want a red light and lots of money without hardwork….
    NOW IAS FANS can argue that there can be GOOD IAS TOO…but let me tell you what…THE MAJORITY OF DIRTY IAS FRATERNITY would stop these good people (we have many examples)
    CONCLUSION- GOOD businessmen do LOTS OF GOOD and BAD businessmen do a LITTLE LESS GOOD (BUT THEY DO GOOD)
    NOW Lets study the second case:
    GOOD IAS — -BAD IAS
    1)IAS has no job being good or bad he has come there by his own choice..he swears that he would serve the country but all he does is a blatant rape of the country…
    He is bound by duty to serve the people…thats why he is given a red light as a symbol of esteem above common man…he is supposed to lead the people…serve them…
    politicians are filthy idiots…IAS should boycott their nefarious designs they have been given such powers but they chose not to….these intelligent IAS concoct sophisticated schemes to assist politicians to denude mother india and get a paltry tip in return…
    THEY WANT TO EQUAL THE WEALTH OF BUSINESSMEN but are not willing to grind themselves….so use cheap shortcuts..
    REMEMBER THIS IS NOT FOR HONEST IAS ppl…my father is an army officer too…BUT THE PROBLEM is the DIRTY FRATERNITY murders the honest whistleblowers, transfer them, abuse them and what not….the only problem is that these DIRTY IAS are in OVERWHELMING MAJORITY…
    remember politicians and IAS cant do anything without each other…even if 50% of one of the groups chose to stop corruption it would be achieved in no time…BUT THEY WONT….politicians want intelligent IAS to loot the common people and IAS want politicians to save them from law as IAS wants nothin but commit innumerable crimes…be it bribery, their children creating raucous,
    flaunting traffic rules, favoritism, assisting there businessmen friend to flaunt all rules and regulations
    CONCLUSION:
    BUSINESSMEN CAN BE GOOD OR BAD…in both ways he contributes
    the wrongs they commit are supposed to be checked by IAS, IPS…
    IAS and all have no option….they are supposed to be good…but they are criminals assisting more and bigger criminals…
    SOLUTION:
    country needs both…although MORE BUSINESSMEN and very few IAS IPS….
    the problem can be cured if new IAS ENTRANTS REALLY JOIN THE SERVICES TO SERVE….soon they will overcrowd the bad fish and exterminate them…but only if they want to ….and that is not a near case…almost all people i know take IAS coachings in delhi to have that RED LIGHT CAR….and beat the hell out of asses of common man…

  43. VJS
    April 14, 2010 at 3:30 am

    AND to all IAS fans…..
    why do u need a policy by INTELLIGENT IAS to simply fart…
    is it so difficult to do it on your own…
    HAVE GOVERNMENT ONLY FOR MAINTAINING LAW AND ORDER AND PROVIDE SECURITY ND INFRASTRUCTURE.
    WE DONT NEED GOVERMENT TO TELL US HOW MANY BRICKS WE CAN BUY, WHEN WE CAN HAVE A TELEPHONE CONNECTION, IF A RESTAURANT IS GOOD OR BAD.

    even though IAS are not needed so much…but all these years we continue to have them and they HAVE FAILED IN EVRY SINGLE DUTY given to them…
    a solution failing for 60 years is no SOLUTION.

    CHANGE IS WHAT I NEED……

    TO IAS FANS….stay happy in THIRD WORLD…
    IM HPPY WITH A DREAM OF FIRST WORLD INDIA…
    i know u FANS are in majority and my dream wont come true easily….BUT IM STRONG…and many of my kind too are…

    ………..BUSINESSMEN can be good ord bad but in both cases they contribute to society…….
    In case a businessman is hurting our ecosystem it is GOVT’s duty to check, stop, curb the same but on the contrary GOVT creates a favorable habitat for such wrongdoers, but why this CONNIVANCE hurts more is that GOVT is pretty inactive in weeding out the pests but IS FULLY ACTIVE in impeding the good people be it IAS or BUSINESSMEN or SOCIALWORKERS from changing the system.
    IAS have no choice being good or bad, they are paid to work for the country’s good……..

    please name the IAS people who changed the country for better and made a positive difference….
    all majority instances i hear are negative
    BUT I CAN QUOTE THOUSAND ENTREPRENEURS that did do what is needed by this country…and fewer negative instances
    BUT all imbeciles wud say they dont distribute money to poor…
    people economics doesn’t work that way..i know you dont know about THE INVISIBLE HAND….but it means that economics doesn’t knock your door and give u presents..but just that with all the jobs they create …the goods they make…this pushes a society towards progress..but ur IAS ppl not satisfied with their loot would not let others do their duty…
    tell me how many PSU’s (headed by IAS) are profitable….only a few (without competition like RAILWAYS,ONGC etc) are and only those which have been listed and adopted CORPORATE MANNERISMS…
    agreed india needs good administration ut does these corrupt IAS IPS give us a good administration…NO they even thwart the attempts of some honest officers
    NOT TO MENTION…THEY WONT CATCH TRUE TAX EVADERS of whom they are lapdogs but would thwart any young entrepreneur who wants to do good but these officers u cherish wud PULL A 1000 rules out of their ass and stop them…i think you dont know INDIA LINGERS IN THE BOTTOM of the list titled “EASE OF DOING BUSINESS”…

  44. Crusader
    April 28, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    The recent case of Madhuri Gupta spying for Pakistan because she was so frustrated with the IFS officers clearly indicates the lack of management skills or even basic skills of babus. The lower ranked government officers are the ones who are doing all the job, whilst the IAS and IFS officers do nothing, get better perks and also boss on lower ranked government officers. IAS is a burden on this country and should be removed as soon as possible

  45. Arvind
    May 21, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Hey u all hello,
    I know..no one is gonna read what stupid stuff i have written hear..bcoz u all have polluted the concept of IAS officer..yau mite have heard it many time ppl saying..but i wanna say it again..That at least stop blaming other for your mistake..Be bold to accept what u have done..Its no doubt tht after few ppl and corrupt govt.. official your all ppl writing negative thought about IAS officer are pulling the legs of people who wanna go up and stand..I know u all writing negative above, surely dont have capability of cracking IAS xam..n so u r polluting the thought..i dont wanna add more to this..bcoz its better not talk in front of stupud and foolish ppl…

  46. May 22, 2010 at 2:43 am

    yes i truly agree with u , they are corrupted as i personally know a family , and the children ***/** too joined the civil servent job. a bad tree cant give good fruits.!!!

  47. May 25, 2010 at 9:55 am

    i am in class 8th and i wants to be an ias officer i wants to be a part os indian administrative service.i wants to be an honest ias officer .i want to help all person.i want to treat all persons equally never mind he is of higher class or lower ,rich or poor

  48. May 25, 2010 at 10:00 am

    its my dream to be an ias officer.i just dont wealth .and i think no one should be an ias officer just to get wealth .I WANT to be a succesful person in my life.

  49. chiranth
    May 28, 2010 at 9:54 am

    everyone like to be in an higher post but most of them dont like to study in them iam also one it is not an easy job to pass an i.a.s. examination and if we pass also there will be more responsibility it gives lot of tensions one thing i want to say is think twice before doing no bp be happy always bindass

  50. Shivappa
    June 10, 2010 at 11:21 am

    yes.. absolutely its right… all the IAS OFFICERS ARE NOT CORRUPT …
    AFTER ENTERING INTO AN IAS POSITION.. THE CORRUPTNESS WILL COME BEHIND…

    DO HONESTLY…… TRY TO MANAGE..

  51. what_to_do
    June 11, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    wow..that’s a lot of view n counter-view…is the topic “down with IAS” or “Pro-entrepreneur” or a bit of both??

    @renegade vision…do u think entrepreneurs dont deal in under the table deals??how naive are you??Ambanis,Birlas they all cut deals with politicians affecting the policies law in their own interest.(cant say about TATA).The very mineral wealth and natural resource of the country they mine,trade without a care for the natives.(KG basin for an instance)but yeah they do create wealth..and a part of their wealth is passed down to ministers..then to IAS officers..and so on.

    But they do a mighty good thing for the society too.They create jobs for people.Thats the best thing.But these are the very people who corrupt the beaurocracy.This can go to and fro so lets stop at that.

    Yeah i a have seen babus with soul as dark as night extracting money from ignorant illiterate poor ragged people.Just go into your Nagar Nigam Office,House tax,RTO offices and see for yourself.

    I know of instances in very good private companies where you need to be the boss’s pet if u want to be promoted talented or otherwise.

    There are plenty of decent IAS officers too we just dont hear of them.The RTI act was outcome of one such IRS officer’s efforts.(yeah he resigned in later).

    I think it all boils down to this.What kind of a person u are.Whereever you are you will always easy unethical shortcuts for you.Its upto you.People who prepare for IAS are generally from lower middle class backgrounds who are trying to improve their position in society.They havent seen that much money n power ever before.How they do their duties once they become an IAS officer is a matter of their conscience.

    But please dont paint every IAS officer with same brush nor think all entrepreneurs are saints.

  52. Crusader
    June 18, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    The logic all IAS officers are not corrupt hence IAS officers are a good lot is devoid of common sense. The logic that most IAS officers are corrupt hence IAS officers are a bad lot has much more common sense. The fact is that not the best talent of India goes into IAS, and if it does go I am sorry to say that India has such poor talent. The contribution of IAS to Indian civil society has been practically nil. No common Indian associates or looks to help from an IAS, because they know that most of them are corrupt.

  53. sarmad - lets roll
    July 3, 2010 at 12:57 am

    brothers and sisters…a lot has been written for and against many different professions.but lets not compare an apple and a mango.both have their own place.and well, many said of some profession being corrupt and the other being not…well let me emphasize that it’s not any profession that is wrong;its the people.now some may argue that when the system itself is corrupt ,you expect less good people in that profession..For that i can just reply that one day things will change.let i and others like me join that profession.

  54. Amrinder
    July 3, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Will writing this stop someone for becoming an IAS or an entrepreneur. I dont think so. Those who want to become….will be far far away from this conversation.. Ask the one who is already an IAS officer. To make our nation, to make it stable we need to have deserving people to run this country and systems so we can become a developed nation.. government and economy works together. u cant compare it with entrepreneurship or become IAS. have peace :))

  55. satya
    July 11, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Hey Guys,

    It’s really encouraging to see all the comments. I am now working in a very well reputed company in the US, but I just want to do something good for the country. I am going to leave my job and try for IAS 2011. And of course, money is not the reason I am going fot it. I hope I will be able to carry the current level of honesty and conviction with me if I get selected.

    Folks who have only bad words for IAS, no one denies that the system is in general corrupted. But if all of us keep saying that, how do you expect it to get better? It’s hard being an honest person in such an environment and very difficult to do something good. But it’s not impossible. It’s certainly doable, if you have the right kind of motivation and will power.

    @Renegade, your answer to the original yahoo question was chosen as the best answer, not because it was good. But because it was the only answer. Should you also have mentioned that?

    • Renegade Division
      July 11, 2010 at 3:18 pm

      @Satya
      Lay off the crack dude. There are 7 other answers, and asker chose it, gave it 5 rating and wrote ‘thxs’.

  56. Sarfaraz
    July 26, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Hi,Now I’m 20 only….But since ma childhood…I’m so much interested in IAS profile…When I was a school going boy,then ma elder bro was the member of CSR,in which there were so many things related to same,like IAS toppers,their profile,many things,Even I’m very crazy about movies which is related to Cops,spy or diplomatic services,So I want to be the same,I’m not interested in any or any field apart this,Because I want to work for the betterment of mankind,I want to do some cool thing for ma nation,I wanna make ma country as a superpower.
    Now Singapore has got the best civil servants in the world.Because they’re putting a lot of attention into developing an efficient civil service because unless the civil service runs properly,the govt. doesn’t have the instruments. We must make a policy which is sensible & implement the policy so that it works on the ground.that depends on having good civil servants,We must recruit good people,we must treat them well,fairly. This’s not just for the personal carriers but I say this because they’re doing good for the nation…..
    Really I mean…I want to the same….Even If its possible for me then I’ll claim to all that guys to be the same who’ve really willing to work for the nation,for an Indians…..
    Its really a nice stage,I learned so many good things from here…
    I wish all the very very best to all of you guys…hope We’ll do it…

  57. love zain
    July 26, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Hi,Now I’m 20 only….But since ma childhood…I’m so much interested in IAS profile…When I was a school going boy,then ma elder bro was the member of CSR,in which there were so many things related to same,like IAS toppers,their profile,many things,Even I’m very crazy about movies which is related to Cops,spy or diplomatic services,So I want to be the same,I’m not interested in any or any field apart this,Because I want to work for the betterment of mankind,I want to do some cool thing for ma nation,I wanna make ma country as a superpower.
    Now Singapore has got the best civil servants in the world.Because they’re putting a lot of attention into developing an efficient civil service because unless the civil service runs properly,the govt. doesn’t have the instruments. We must make a policy which is sensihttp://comluv.com/ble & implement the policy so that it works on the ground.that depends on having good civil servants,We must recruit good people,we must treat them well,fairly. This’s not just for the personal carriers but I say this because they’re doing good for the nation…..
    Really I mean…I want to the same….Even If its possible for me then I’ll claim to all that guys to be the same who’ve really willing to work for the nation,for an Indians…..
    Its really a nice stage,I learned so many good things from here…
    I wish all the very very best to all of you guys…hope We’ll do it…

  58. Nayana Bachale
    August 2, 2010 at 8:42 am

    pls tell me about IAS officer.

  59. natar_blore
    August 5, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Renegade@ If one person accepts your decision as the best answer , that doesn`t mean you are absolutely right. If i was the person who posted the same question, i would not have rated 5 even in my worst dreams !!

    I have a great deal of respect for IAS officers. Most of them struggle through the exams to sincerely serve their nation. Thats the reason many aspirants from rural background and non-IITians / IIM grads suceed to become IAS officers. I am not offending the IITians OR IIMees . They are highly educated, But only few choose IAS as career.

    As a businessman , telecom sector can be improved by providing great services, contribute to govt through taxes. Yes, they do good. But dont you think only the urban ppl or the educated are the ones who benifit from these. WHAT ABouT THE PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE THE BASIC AMENITIES IN LIFE ??? Here is where the honest IAS officers come into picture.

    IAS post should be seen as platform to serve our people, to eradicate poverty, to lessen the gap between rich and poor, to lessen suicides of farmers, to create platform for education for all. NOT as a post to lead luxury life and command power. IAS is about poor NOT power..

  60. August 11, 2010 at 6:41 am

    my parents wants me as an Ias officer & I too want to become an Ias officer …..I want to serve people.I AM JUST 13 N and m sure i”ll be an Ias officer..can u please tell me something about it

  61. vattikuti nageswara rao
    August 12, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    ya………… actually i don’t know what u have told………….. anyway its not my comment but its my question………….. i have read everything mentioned above….. but just my question is i want to become a great officer to rule the society and to serve the people………

  62. Ajinomoto
    August 13, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Youre totally right. IAS is just an agglomeration of self interest. All this BS about serving the nation is nonsense. In the end, its just a route to subverting the resources of a poor nation into the hands of a few. An easy access to power without acocuntability. People blame politicians, but they can vote a politician out. Has anyone ever heard of a corrupt IAS officer getting the boot? Not me.

  63. Crusader
    August 13, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    @Renegade & his followers:
    IAS is socialist.Our Constitution is socialist.So both very well tune with each other.All entrepreneurs are capitalists.By nature, capitalism is exploitative & Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism.In a country where more than 40% of the people live under 20rs/day, you shouldn’t say like such PILLARS OF THE NATION (civil servants) should be eradicated.If you still keep on saying that, that reminds all of us of your sheer ignorance.

    Remember there are 2 Indias — One discussing all these & the other totally unconcerned of all these (so called)elite discussions.

    Unfortunately am a software engineer in an MNC.Dialy on waking up & before going to bed, I recall whether my day’s work was any how useful to the society??? Shamelessly NO.

    I work for an MNC to increase their turnovers in general & satisfy my material needs in particular.I see very intelligent persons in the company who are not at all useful to the society at all.Their knowledge is useful to increase their bank balances only.Remember a real scholar is only who has the ability to understand the evaluation of the society.Not the one who can work on WINDOWS internals or kernel level programming or chip design.

    An IAS officer knows the constitution of this nation but an entrepreneur doesn’t know that it exists at all.What a shame!!!

    Combining all these, we can surely conclude that an IAS is no doubt a steel pillar of this nation on whose shoulders the entire burden of this nation exist.

  64. rohit
    August 15, 2010 at 10:54 am

    now ans this…what will you do if somepeople are throwing their waste inside your home……here are some options…..
    1> you will go inside your home and take out some money and will hire a sweeper and wait him to do the rest…

    2> you your self will get inside the the waste to clean it up…because thats ur home…

    i hope u know wats the point m trying to make.

    an ias has to work with in accordance with the the politicians you have chosen!!

    now..is there is ambani then there is also harshat mehta…if there is ajim premji then there is also….Ramalinga raju…i hope now you would not include his name with tatas and ambanis…
    same is the case if there is kalmadi or akhand pratap singh rathore..then there are also kiran bedis,navneet seekera,etc

    yoy ppl are sittin in ac rooms and making absurd statements….without knowing anything…i hope you know how to use google jusst search the job culture of district collecter and chief sectry….

    i think its gettin a kinda fashion now a days to abuse our officers ias,ips and politicians …and never thnk of y u r sittting safe in ur house and enjoying this freedom…..feel proud of your country its our home ..and if you thnk the system is corrupt try changing it

  65. rohit
    August 15, 2010 at 10:58 am

    who are we to say anything bout ias or ambanis we r neither of two!!

  66. SRJ
    November 19, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    See, To save your it is not compulsary, to be a IAS officer, Every IAS officer has a good view regarding his work, to improve the social life. Some time it is possible, some time not. You may save our nation becoming Social Worker like Baba Aamate.

    IAS post is for Creating development, that may change the life of common man. That’s it.

  67. MK Patidar; IAS
    February 9, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    You all are idiots.
    Do whatever you want to do. Take opinions but use your own judgements. Do Good, Be Good, Think Good, Tell Good, Listen Good….and Serve the your country like your Mother because BHARAT is the only country which is called as MATA. Can you do mis-behaviour with your MATA. Idiots…!!!

  68. anit
    February 17, 2011 at 5:22 pm

    The author of this blog is a narrow minded idiot.”My life as an average Indian is not improved by another IAS officer(honest or dishonest is irrelevant), my life is much more improved by an entrepreneur who can create wealth, like Azeem Premji and Narayan Murthy.”
    ..Mr. idiot ..and what about a large section of unskilled population ;BPL population..ur Azeem Premji and Narayan Murthy are not going to offer him any job.Here comes the role of an IAS officer,,by providing suitable development environment..helping inculcate suitable atmosphere for education ..he can do wonders…n ..before u post such a crap post and reveal your narrow dim wit …Do remember me ..Byee

  69. Adolescent
    February 20, 2011 at 7:23 pm

    Dudes out here, Look, what these entrepreneurs, CEOs, biz kids and lobbyists did to United States. They dragged the world economy into the great financial turmoil. The highest positions like US Treasury Secretary, Economic Advisors, Head of Securities and Exchange Commission, Head of Federal banks etc. were occupied by leaders of financial conglomerates but instead of serving the nation these people cheated with their own nation and created wealth for themselves and for organizations.

    Once they got the chance, they diminished the financial regulation imposed by Law on Investment banking and Insurance industry and these investment conglomerates made the investors fools by selling them securities & derivatives that were never owned by them or were never existed. By evading the regulatory rules they cooked the book and earned money by issuing debt beyond their curb. These people went to the highest extent of corruption by issuing the bed debts to their relatives/keens in spite of knowing the fact that these amounts would never be paid back which led the bankruptcy of Lehman Bros. and several other firms.

    Since these business tycoons were there in the top Administrative and decision making position, they just used US Cash reserve to save their own companies in the name of bailout package. Which IAS officers would have made the call that they would not purchase the shares in these firms when they are bailing them out of crisis?
    So, it’s clear that these entrepreneur, CEOs, top officials of companies work for their own profit. If they have to cut their costs, they won’t think for a minute and will fire thousands of people.

    Do you want these things to happen to India? Then go ahead, and make these business people decision making buddies in federal government. Then, I am sure that our nation would become a dependent on the mercy of few business houses. You can’t say that these CEOs work for nation, they work to increase their wealth.

    These IAS officers are people having highest intellectual level and can work hard to take the society as well as economy to the best level but the dirty politics is always there as a major hurdle.

  70. swetha
    February 20, 2011 at 11:51 pm

    I wann become an I.A.S officer.Recently i’m reading about the qualities which do require to become an I.A.S.now i’m PUC-2 studnet studying in RGUKT nuzvid..

  71. Amit
    February 25, 2011 at 1:19 am

    Its not about being Ambani or tata or any IAS officer. What our indians have done in the past is causing us trouble in today’s day and what we are going to do today will affect the next generation. The situation which india is facing today is out of control and its not easy to handle the situation but we need to take certain step otherwise there won’t be any difference between hell and india. Every person who wanna change the current situation should work with honesty. I know its not that easy but if it would be that easy then we won’t be under such pathetic condition. Here is one of the example:

    P Manivannan, An IAS officer works in innovative way to
    increase honesty and transparency –

    P Manivannan is an IAS officer in Karnataka. In Karnataka he is famous for his working style, he is task master, and using age old rules also he tries to improve his job, tries to go towards honesty, integrity and transperancy.

    Today corruption is rising in India, officials are not ready to allow common citizens to look into their chamber or show them files easily,
    Here is the great example of working, which P Manivannan is showing it by doing it and not only talking it.
    P Manivannan has installed CCTV in his office, this way Indian citizens can watch him
    What he is doing in his office, in his chamber.

    He is one of honest IAS officers of India, Karnataka.

    The Managing Director of the Bangalore Electricity Supply company Bescom has installed two IP-enabled cameras in his office.
    Everything within the four walls of his office is available live on his official website.

    The time has come, Government of India should make a law and all the IAS, IPS officers as well as ministers, politicians in their government offices CCTV should be installed.

    This way openly no one can pressurize any IAS or IPS officer to do illegal work.

    But for this one needs to be honest, and India is rarest thing to find the honest government officers.

    Now few will say so what, he will get bribe in hotel or other place.

    But don’t know you understand this is the way to work; we have to eliminate one by one all the loopholes where we can stop the corruption.

    This is one rule and law which will reduce or stop the corruption of government officers in their offices openly and freely.

    This is just the beginning.

  72. Want to be an IAS officer.
    March 5, 2011 at 11:37 am

    I am studying in 11th right now. And I want to be an IAS officer, and I feel IAS officers play a very important role in the country.
    While politicians and leaders are those who lead, IAS officers are practically the ones who run the country. An IAS officer is a very respectable post.
    They are the ones who run this country. And an IAS officer, can change the way the country works, an IAS officer is the one who can change the society and the way it works. An IAS officer can bring a change in your surroundings and make them better. An IAS officer is the one who can help develop this country.

    An IAS officer can do so many things to make each citizen proud of INDIA and bieng an Indian citizen. And you feel that an IAS officer is just another bureaucrat? And people wanna become an IAS officer just because of the luxuries they get?
    Let me tell you something, An IAS officer is an highly dignified post. And people like you are the ones who come on the way of making this country better.
    Your comment was ridiculous and I feel you should really think about what you say.

  73. Armaan
    March 6, 2011 at 3:51 am

    This discussion is endless. The point is however straight forward – those who are power hungry will aim for the same in business by exploiting others for their profits or by becoming an IAS officer alike. Its just basic nature of these kind of people. On the other hand, those who are good at heart and daring as well would do good to others and will contribute, no matter what resistance they have to face. The whole discussion above is missing one major point – one’s interest and choice of lifestyle. why would you want to become an entrepreneur when the first thing you see is job security? Or why would a high spirited and independence loving person join IAS if he does not like to be ordered by politicians and tied down to a place he may not like? And those who are talking about abolishing IAS and RBI seem to think India will do without them…these people have no idea of how such a big system like a whole country is run…

  74. Aditya
    March 7, 2011 at 11:56 am

    my childhood dream is to carry on my dad’s business. i want to grow up to an ias officer but i want to know its merits and demerits its just that i will not repent that i didnt no my future will have so many objections. is an ias officer like the most powerful even above the politicians and others?

  75. Want to be an IAS officer.
    March 10, 2011 at 10:15 am

    IAS officers run the country, politicians take the final decision, but, their decisions are based on an IAS officers opinion. IAS officers are usually more educated and have more knowledge than the politician.

    • Unpretentious Diva
      March 15, 2011 at 3:05 am

      IAS officers run the country, politicians take the final decision, but, their decisions are based on an IAS officers opinion. IAS officers are usually more educated and have more knowledge than the politician.

      And obviously, they are more corrupt than politicians.

  76. Arun
    March 13, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Wealth? So the solution to our problems in India is to create more consumerism and more wealth? And just who will be at the helm of this new order of India? The current rich who can afford to send their kids to the best schools in India and abroad, who can afford to let them dance around on TV while the working poor try and juggle multiple jobs so they can stay in an overpriced house and barely make ends meet to put food on the table, let alone figure out how they will educate their children.
    Now I’m not being a communist and saying wealth itself has no value to society. But I think along with the accumulation of wealth in society there must be means of redress so the inequalities that exist currently in our society aren’t forever perpetuated.

  77. Renegade Division
    March 15, 2011 at 9:15 am

    @Arun

    Are you acknowledging that IAS officers destroy wealth and create poverty?

  78. Jitendra
    March 20, 2011 at 4:20 am

    Hello friends,

    i would like to thank to all.it feel great when young people discuss for nation.
    as it is open discuss i want to share my view.

    1.with global concept of business,it is need of our society but only if it is done with morality and innovation.But Goverment is our primary needs.if we believe in a ‘nation’ and equality.
    With my observations,i found no or less innovative our indian business.
    our business believe,strongly or only, on “how to gain profit and giving diplomatic public speech with the help of immoral media groups.
    Our mostly business people innovative on developing corruption.please i have to say this.
    So in simple and specificly, our businessman do business with no moral like adulteration.
    (Adulteration= killing many peoples/families, we can not just say it is OK or less bad)
    U can try compare customer care services of big foreign MNC groups e.g. DELL with indain companies.
    how many of us suffered with Idea or airtel internet services or mobile?

    2.Democracy is the only way where we have some one for accountability.
    one of our friend wrote well about this.in Diaster or national problem we have government.
    For common man two things are there Government and God but i can contact only god.
    We have chance stop a politician by not giving vote but can not stop a businessman or bureaucrats.

    3.It would be best if India administration becomes fully Electronics. and Technologies departments must be in-charged by technocratic peoples.not by bureaucrats.

    4.We can not ignore Science and Technologies, this is our biggest problem of nation.Science can improve our thoughts/innovation (improving public thinking is only way for a Nation’s development).
    We are still developing because innovation is not appreciated in india.

    Corruption is systematic in india,but generated by businessman.

    5.There is no business ethics education in MBAs institutes.

    We can not only stay with our history and culture, we need to reform our thoughts thats make nation.

    Please do not take my view personally,if someone is from business family or political family.

  79. naren
    March 20, 2011 at 6:41 am

    if ias are corrupted and business men are so nice then why are scams happening in india. i think no ias officer will himself go to the business men and ask money. its foolish to say say that your life hasnt changed by an ias officer. all the policies of our poloticians are made by ias officers not poloticians.

  80. dreaming of ias
    March 23, 2011 at 12:07 pm

    ias ias…so many people has said and argued about ias…whatever you say,at the end of the day you’ll some how or some where depend on the work done by ias officers..my dream is to become an ias officer and i’m sure i’ll make it…not for the sake of wealth but for the sake of country…

    • Renegade Division
      March 23, 2011 at 12:14 pm

      @dreaming of ias

      not for the sake of wealth but for the sake of country…

      That’s a totally ridiculous idea. Creation of wealth benefits country like nothing else. In last 20 years(since the economic liberalization of India) India’s wealth creation has benefitted the people than whatever ‘sacrifices’ and efforts were done for the sake of betterment of the country in 40 years preceding the 1990 liberalization combined. This is exactly why I am recommending people that if you really wanted to do good to the country you would rather start a business or get into the private sector dealing with people without using violence and coercion.

  81. suprada
    March 24, 2011 at 3:50 am

    well i really appreciate what you said but money is not enough to uplift the social stigma,India is one country where you will find the richest person on earth as well as the poorest of poor,at the grass root level the poor people are deprived because of the greedy and corrupted politicians and providing them with basic awareness and proper education would make them independent to fight their rights,and being an IAS we can do all this .

  82. dreaming of ias
    March 24, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    I am recommending people that if you really wanted to do good to the country you would rather start a business or get into the private sector dealing with people without using violence and coercion.
    @renegade
    are you into any kind of business?see the point is that you can’t start business without capital..for a normal guy it is not easy to get into a business..if you are determined enough you’ll sure make into civil services..see the govt.is sanctioning money for the projects..you just need to see that the funds aren’t misused..the thing is that you’ve to be honest to yourself..you have to be the mediator between govt.and people..there are so many who’ve done this and are doing now..ofcourse there’ll be be some corruption at some level..and it can also be removed from our society if we keep on persisting not give bribes..my dear friend its not about creation of wealth its about how well you use your wealth..i mean rotation of wealth..it is just as simple as that..

  83. venky
    March 28, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    dude,if u like business just go and do it…..if any body asks 4 advice do give some constructive advice….

  84. Vignesh
    March 31, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Hey bro, dont compare buisness and administration.There’s corruption everywhere. Got it? You cant blame the temple if you find a priest to be a dash.. Meet an I.A.S officer a real one and you will change your idea. I will be one one day.

  85. April 28, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    Hey my fellow country men, let’s not bicker over the non existent roles and responsibilities(at least functionally). I could infer that people who have aired their views down here have an innate desire to bring in change either in society or bureaucracy to varying degrees. Why wouldn’t we start something revolutionary that could unite us is in fighting things that are deterring India and her people from being what they ought to be?

  86. svaradan
    April 28, 2011 at 4:49 pm

    I think its time we take charge, not the youth nor the wizened but everyone.

  87. Amitesh
    May 4, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Corruption is rampant virtually everywhere in India. And if someone says that the post of IAS officer is redundant, only an uninformed person can buy his argument. We need good people in positions of Governance and Administration as they are the people who create the environment for the social/economic prosperity and justice. Everyone here would agree that our system needs a lot of change and one needs to be in the system to change the system. But the problem is that due to the political pressure & peer pressure many IAS who start of with a determination to bring about positive change in the system, become corrupt gradually. But there are still some tough guys who don’t compromise with their and brave their against all odds. But then why do we hardly hear about such IAS. The reason is that an IAS’ job is a job of anonymity. They don’t get limelight from media. But those who are corrupt gets the attention. Finally, there are many ways to serve the society. You can do it by creating wealth as my dear friend has said here or by joining civil services. It’s only the matter of how you want to do it.

  88. Shiva Bhole
    May 8, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Hi all,

    IAS is not just a carrer option its more than that wherein we are required to serve the needs of the people.

    Entrepruners can never be IAS officer they have to look sfter their own business. If they were that much considerate, then they would not have fired some many people during the recession. There are many instances wherein they have the fat bonuses and salary and leavce there workers, when did they think abt people who are not even not in their organization.

    Just imagine our natural resources, ,these entrepruners will just destroy if there are no administrative forces. Its agreed, they using the money power are influencing the policies but more or less govt. machinery is required for effective usage of our natural resources and people.

    We need to make this machinery little more stronger and effective. We require guys that started this post and more to join him. I am joining him.

    Its not going to change in a day. We need to free the machinery of corruption and change people bad idea abt the IAS machinery. It will change for sure.

  89. May 11, 2011 at 8:45 am

    I completely disagree with the ideologies reflacted in the answer..IAS officers can do alot for the development of the nation..being a busineesman and oppurtunating employments to others is another way to serve the countrymen..had thet been the only way why still there exists poverty,unemployement and underdevlopment in india……IAS serves for the nation and being corrupt or honest is dependent on the citizens not on officers….

  90. Dilip
    May 15, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    Hi all,
    IAS : people chose this career for job security, allowances, bonuses etc..all honestly say do you know who your district IAS officer`s identity or atleast name. I would say most of them will slip your tongue here..
    See i am giving one verdict about diff between IAS and Enterpreneur

    IAS :
    He has got power but cant expose them as he think.
    He is well protected by guards but not innocent people.
    Indian administration is not getting better nowadays and people serving under it cant get better until policies and protocol changes.

    Enterpreneur:
    He is key in any country. He creates opportuinities and leading the economy of the country. He is hottest property in any country..Before an IAS react an Enterpreneur will be completing formalities becos he has got wealth to shut anything..obviously wealth is prime factor in our economy now

    If you want to prove something want to follow innovative, distinct path, use your potential then sky is the limit..hit the enterpreneur and prove urself to the world that new leader has arrived.
    or else go to IAS you will find DEAD END…stay happy what you got with…

  91. the truth thriver
    May 27, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    The answer to the question given is totally wrong.
    IAS is a service like no other. One doesn’t only have power, authority, and get free things, one has to work equally hard to get all of this.
    I do not know who all you have met to make such a mind-frame for all the IAS officers who goto work at 10am and only return at 9pm. They get very limited time to spend with the family.
    in the hours they spend in their office they make their state, their country a better place to live in.
    If someone is trying or wants to become an IAS officer, then we should encourage him/her and never tell them to take a easy way out to become a businessman.

    (Anyway, all the businessmen keep doing “sir”"sir” to the officers. Believe me, becoming an IAS/IFS/IPS Officer is the best career in todays world)
    (Also getting into the service is very difficult, But one should try, its worth it.)

  92. vishal
    May 30, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    IAS is not a small thing , get ready for the more and more responsibilities

  93. prabu
    June 5, 2011 at 1:02 am

    what a stupid reply to a good question.premzji narayanan are only increasing the wealth at the extent of others,in a recent interview pope bendict indicated that globalisation is another form of slavery.there are producing wealth by consuming large amount of natural resources.paying very little.eg airtel receiving subsidised fuel from gov to power the cell phone towers, but the cammon man has to pay fo all the goverment expenses.still this is country is driven by agriculture,you can see the importance of agricultural impact in every moneterary review of rbi,if agricultural fails our country is deprived of the so called wealth creation.as per the provisional census,there are 960administrative units in this country,are we not able to find a good honest people from 120 billion.we can .encourage to do civil service.we need good characters…

  94. hetesh Bhatiya
    June 10, 2011 at 3:59 am

    The most importent think about an IAS officer is been his ditarmination for his work and his passion. If you got bith of this then you can do it.(*IT IS HARD BUT IT’S NOT IMPOSIBALE FOR SOME ONE HOW WANT BE AN IAS OFFICER*)

  95. Sachin Mehra
    June 11, 2011 at 10:53 am

    This is the most absurd thing I’ve ever read.
    The author means to say that rather than being a honest IAS officer, you can better serve country by becoming Tata / Ambani / Premji. Become rich using this country’s resources, extracting minerals from poor tribals land, and sell machines that serve only the rich class.
    The author is truly the biggest idiot ever born.

  96. Sachin Mehra
    June 11, 2011 at 10:56 am

    This author is an idiot and a fool, who knows nothing about the corporate world, and is doing guess work.

    Mukesh Amabani creates a lot of wealth, and buys a private jet for his wife for millions of dollars. How does that serve the nation?

  97. LOKIangel
    June 24, 2011 at 11:05 am

    im preparin fr ias exam….dis thought of urs s not good…see me aft 10yrs i ll be the bst ias in our country…..

  98. Ritesh Kumar
    June 26, 2011 at 12:55 am

    This Website is one peice of shit

  99. Gauri Rane
    June 26, 2011 at 10:20 am

    i want to know which would be the best field for joining ias?
    i dont like science ….. not at all … i m intersted in literature and want to serve the nation…. by becoming an ias ….. i need help pls do help/

  100. June 29, 2011 at 6:52 am

    IAS is not a small thing. Get ready for more and more responsibilities.

  101. diva
    June 30, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    Becoming an IAS officer,cannot change all the protocol and policies of india but it is sure that we can help the poor people some sort of extent.

  102. July 2, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Just money is not enough to make the society better.And also we don’t need just a better society,we need it to be the best.For this only moneymakers are not needed,we need someone who wants to serve,who wants to bring peace&honesty,who has the courage to deal with the corrupt system,who thinks of his nation’s welfare more than his own.If you have all these qualities then go and become an IAS otherwise we have a lot of selfish Indians ,be one of them.

  103. Naveen sagar
    July 11, 2011 at 6:13 am

    Whether its IAS or a Businessman …both are human beings and if both of them arer honest and true to their country then both are good.There is no such thing as good ias or bad ias….or good entreprneur or bad entrepreneur..there is always good person or bad person.

    If the sole purpose of the human society of the whole world i to serve Humanity with wisdom then there will be no problems other than natural calamities,,,etc,,there would be peace.

    THE GREATEST QUESTION OF YOUR LIFE:-

    WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF LIFE WHEN YOU HAVE LIMITED TIME ON EARTH AND THAT TOO U ARE NOT AWARE OF ITS END,IT CAN END ANYTIME ??????

  104. ram
    July 13, 2011 at 10:03 am

    ias are poverty patronizing cluster fucks..renegrade division great arguement totally with you on this one…and honestly how are you supposed tolive on 20k salary ?.. business create wealth period…and there are things that money cant buy like love etc but thats upto the person to persue… but for eveything else money runs .. and the best way for that is free market capitalistic enterprise is the answer…

  105. ram
    July 13, 2011 at 10:14 am

    and what kind of country is it where if i build wealth through my talent, working with people , by taking on responsibility …i am termed greedy.. where as some stupid greedy bastard who played the all indian lottery with only 60 positions for 300,000 applicants (1 in 5000).. cramming irrevelant crap about subjects like sociology, psycholoy, geography etc …and then if selected cramming even more irrelevant crap in missourie .. to take up positions in fields in which he has no experience ..make sense?..and that too taking my money and giving it to the lazy and the retarded and being called great for that??? this is mother fucking on monstrous scale…. socialism is the epic cluster fuck of 21st century..

  106. ram
    July 13, 2011 at 10:19 am

    and to all those greedy fuckers out there wanting red lights on their cars somebody should kick your ass epic and make it go red instead… LOL.. stop fantasizing about stealing other peoples money and stop gambling with your lives and do something useful…

  107. ram
    July 13, 2011 at 10:24 am

    and gandhis dream was so wrong .. he wanted us to weave our own clothes whats wrong with that guy? have our own fields and eat peanuts … and be naked …. comical …he should have been with charlie chaplin… entertainment .. not father of a nation….

  108. ram
    July 13, 2011 at 10:29 am

    and india got independence not because of some naked ,dimwitted, incest prone, crack son of a bitch starving ..its because the british were bombed and burnt …and did not have the command they used to have before ww2 . so they withdrew ..thanks to some single balled fellow called hitler(proprietor f ww2).. thats history lesson for all you ias aspirants…

  109. Sruthi
    July 14, 2011 at 11:45 am

    Good Governance is very crucial. for development of country Business people are crucial.. but good administration is basic thing a country should have to survive in this modern globe. So i feel there is no need of comparing the greatness of Governance and Capitalism.

  110. Sruthi
    July 14, 2011 at 11:58 am

    one thing to remember is we feel that politicians make many policies but it is their chief secretaries behind them who analyze the pros and cons of their ideas and make them as policies…

  111. durga
    July 15, 2011 at 2:26 am

    sir.my ambesiation is ias officer.iam passed degree.i dont no how do apply the ias officer

  112. Dhruv Sapra
    July 21, 2011 at 10:14 am

    See, if this world is working properly then there are some people who are doing their work honestly. There are many honest IAS officers in the country,because of that the country is working properly..

  113. Ankit
    July 23, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Just wanna say that your reply(which was 5 starred as u said) was more or less an amateur as u don’t even know how ajiz premji has helped the poor people. 1 IAS can develop the whole district which u never thought probably! Corruption needs to be eradicated but it doesn’t mean that u got right to advise some one not to be an IAS.

  114. AIMSUCCESS@S-WERLD
    July 25, 2011 at 2:55 am

    Dear friends,

    It is an auspicious & great signal that our youth are discussing about the pressing-problems of our country. Some of you, during the discussion, have used unacceptable language as well, which by no logic can be justified. This type of language should be avoided at any cost.

    Now..coming to the discussion: Dear friends, I will ask one question first: Who is an IAS officer? who is an entrepreneur? Who is a mafia? Who is a poloitician?

    Dear friends, all of them are from our families only. Our own brothers, sisters, uncles, friends…We must take the reponsibility for all the harm that is falling on us and our society. We elect politicians…We as fathers and mothers, knowingly or unknowingly, teach our children to become corrupt…most of the problem lies in our upbringing…our environment. We lack will power, we lack determination…we lack courage to sacrifice ourselves and our vested interests…that’s why we are unable to curb corruption.

    We are showy people…we love to show-off…we want to show much more than we really possess….This all gives the way for corruption to creep into our personalities. Problem lies in our own value-system that we inherit from our family, our elders and our environment.

    ‘To be corrupt’ or ‘not to be corrupt’ is a matter of CHOICE. I have interacted with a couple of IAS officers who say that 99% honest IAS officers are forced to become corrupt by three forces: (1) The politician, (2) His own immediate boss, (3)His wife, parents, in-laws, other relatives, and friends. The most difficult ones to handle are no. 3 i.e. one’s own relatives and friends. And the easiest one is politician who dont know much about the rules and regulations.

    Thus we see that we ourselves are responsible for this ubiquitous corruption. Try to contemplate, introspect and then decide whether it is true or not? Whatever we know about IAS officers or any civil servant for that matter is from TV or newspaper; and we all know that more-often -than-not they publish only bad-deeds and not the 1000-good deeds an IAS officer does!

    Lacunae are everywhere..there is alwys scope for improvement everywhere. We should not get discouraged by all-pervading corruption. This was there from time immemorial and this will remain in some degree for the days to come. Good and bad are mixed like water and milk…but the need is the youth should take initiative to correct themselves first and then try to improve the system. They must try to go into the system and try to correct them from inside…this may be the best way and real challenge to them.

    TRUTH is TRUTH. Nothing can beat it. There may be delay…there may be sacrifices…there may be some initial failures..BUT MY DEAR FRIENDS..only truth succeeds at the end!

  115. shalu
    July 27, 2011 at 5:59 am

    i want to become an IAS officer. i will become an honest IAS officer. if anybody thinks that every IAS officer is currupt then i will prove them wrong. because its not the IAS officer who is currupt its the person. i love my country very much and i will serve her honestly. i don’t want to be the richest person i just want benevolence and prosperous of my country. and in the last i want to say that before claiming anybody ask yourself what have you done for your country and to refine the currupt system and if you haven’t, stop blaming others because you are just like them.

  116. August 3, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    i want become a honest ias officer…. i want to serve my country from curption…….

  117. August 6, 2011 at 3:16 am

    I think that’s your view. not of all……!!!!!

  118. ImaRebel
    August 12, 2011 at 3:01 am
  119. August 12, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    i think if IAS has such able to use his or her power than no one can stop him .for him any politition is ordinary citizen.

  120. Ramesh kumar reddy Panga
    August 17, 2011 at 12:52 am

    I want to become an IAS officer where i can corrupt everybody….!!!!

  121. Arun
    August 17, 2011 at 12:58 am

    Hi,friend this should not be asked to others. If you want to become an IAS, just go for that. There are many officers who are honest and they are also dedicating their life for others. IAS is not for earning money or fame, its a service to society. Every good thing that people getting is just because of good IAS officers who work day and night for the welfare of others. Without their part no one in this country can get good food, education, living and so on. Narayana moorty or Azim Premji are doing good which is acceptable. But keep remember these lines, ” Do you know the face of a driver who takes you to different place in a public bus, Do you know the sweeper who cleans your street where you reside, Do you know who are all sacrificed their life in Kargil war, Do you know who are all died in rescueing people from mumbai terrorist attack “, the only answer you can get for this is that they are Servants to Society who will care others and live for others than for themselves.
    Not everyone in this world is bad. I believe that life is an opportunity to create a meaning, not money or wealth. Now its your decision to go for what you wish.

  122. shashi
    August 17, 2011 at 10:06 am

    if mahatma gandhi would have followed this, imagine yourself and others. if everyone starts saying that this country has become a garbage in the hands of corrupt politicians and officers, then who else would clean it up and free it from all evils. REMEMBER ! IT’S US. WE THE YOUTH OF THIS NATION. COME ON PEOPLE CHANGE YOUR ATTITUDE.

  123. Siva
    August 18, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    Nice to read so many diverse opinions.
    I just want to add my own small bit.
    We should not compare businessmen from governance of a country/ state.
    Both are must and serve different purpose. Business for profit, innovation, creativity and benefits to people who are able to add value to business.
    Whereas governance is about creating a right Environment, equal opportunity to all for exploitation, and most importantly for a sustainable society and collective benefits.
    So please dont underestimate the importance of Instiutions like IAS however corrupt they are today, it reflects the mind of the people , you always see some differences between officers. Of course, if a district magistrate are given powers similar to a CEO, the same level of accountability and performance can be delivered by the same guy, but in IAS, the problems are that their masters are politicians, they are not meant to make money, but bring well being of overall society.
    But if you want to serve more people, IAS provides more opportunities however difficult environment may be. Business cannot provide such a wider opportunity to understand people,s problem across level and provide a solution as the prioroties are money, mgmt, employees and hence provides only narrow opportunity to serve a society.

  124. Shahbaz Nawaz Khan
    September 12, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    For me IAS IS my dream and i have enough potential to do it but now i am in class 12 i have to wait for 3 more yrs and i have started my preparation now.. plz suggest some imp book for me this is my ph.no.9163901794.I think everyone is senior to me plz suggest me as ur son,brother,frnd plz……..

  125. Ankit
    October 8, 2011 at 1:13 pm

    If IAS is not good than who will protect the country from the Corrupt Politicians. We need to become a Honest and must show love for our country.Be an IAS or IPS or choose Politics to clean our country from the bastard currpted politicians…. We need the youth and WE are the youth.

  126. K.Tejaswi reddy
    October 9, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Hey, ur ans is right. But thats not complete the question.As u said ur life is much more improved by entrepreneur and not by a bureaucrat, but the thing is IAS officers are enough able to cancel the permission to companies of azim premji or narayana murthy. Those are the senior IAS officers who gave permission to set up new indsutries in the country. And the decisions taken by IAS officers will directly effect lots of people directly..why dont u think in this way..So ur ans is not correct.Senior IAS officers are more powerful than Azim premji or Narayana murthy as they head department or ministry in the government and these people head only a company…

  127. Kabir
    October 11, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    I’m terribly sorry to say this but most of you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If any you opened your eyes and took a walk around rural india you’d see how much of a difference IAS officer’s can make. When so many people live their lives on a thin margin even small changes mean a lot to them.
    One reason why noone has a clue may be that IAS officer’s usually work behind the scenes when it comes to drafting and implementing policies; successes and failures are attributed to politicians. A country as large, populous and diverse as India does not run by itself or by three or four people at the top.
    Please understand that for a country to run successfully it needs a combination of good governance and business, and a government is often required to maintain a check and balance on industry.

  128. October 12, 2011 at 1:19 pm

    GOOD EVENING
    I DO NOT KNOW WHY SOME PEOPLE IN INDIA THINK THAT AN OFFICER IS ONLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CORRUPTIONS IN INDIA. EVERY FIELD HAS ITS OWN POLICES.LIKE WISE IAS IS ALSO IS AN OUTSTANDING FIELD; BECAUSE AN IAS CAN SERVE INDIA AND HE OR SHE CAN ELIMINATE ALL UN-NECESSITES WHICH ARE FLOWING [i.e.CORRUPTIONS] LIKE A RIVER ACROSS IN OUR COUNTRY. AN IAS CAN FUFIL ALL NEEDS TO PEOPLE [i.e.WHO ARE SINCERE IN THEIR JOB] WHEN HE IS GIVEN RIGHTS TO FIGHT AGAINST ALL UN-NECESSARY THINGS BY POLITICANS; MINISTERS .WE CANNOT JUSTIFY WHETHER AN IAS OFFICER IS FIT TO SUCH FIELD; BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS HAVING EXCELLENCE IN ALL OVER DEVELOPMENT[i.e.IN ALL AREAS]AS COMPARED TO POLITICANS.SO I KINDLY REQUEST YOU DONOT COMPARE AND COMMENT ON IAS WITH OTHER FIELDS IN INDIA NOT ONLY INDIA ALSO ALL OVER THE WORLD. AND I AM NOT SUPPORTING WHO ARE CORRUPTING INDIA.
    THANKYOU.

  129. Mangal Pandey
    November 4, 2011 at 7:43 pm

    @renegade_division
    I read your views and trust me the desire within me to be an IAS officer grew few times stronger.
    You are praising entrepreneurs, great. These men are visionaries, they create capital(not only wealth). I completely agree.They create employment and cause development on the nation ,say society(in a broader sense).Thats completely true.
    You say “My life as an average Indian is not improved by another IAS officer, my life is much more improved by an entrepreneur who can create wealth, like Azeem Premji and Narayan Murthy.” AVERAGE INDIAN !!!!!! REALLY !!!!
    You consider yourself an average Indian.
    According to the 2001 census, 74% of Indians live in villages. Thats where average Indian lives. And believe me, most of them have not got a mouth to speak as you do to improve their standard of life. Now you will say that business houses have lead to growth of many such villages. There are 638,365 villages in India so do the maths and see how many of villages are left untouched.
    Business houses are completely profit driven organisations, completely profit driven.
    Now someone needs to work for these people, work for their development, work to improve their life. Work like improving agricultural facilities for farmers who are 2/3 of entire population, providing education to illiterates.
    And business houses don’t do such things, instead they make a lame software saying it will help an adult to read in 40 hours to showoff their CSR. And how will that adult get access to computers sir. They don’t care . This is the someone else’s problem. Whose??
    Now i know people who will argue that these villages will develop if entrepreneurs come out of such villages.
    Thats just the height of day dreaming, here we are fighting for the most basic things which distinguish us from apes, food-clothing-house and you are talking for what ? entrepreneurship !! And dare not to give me examples of men who have done such things, think on realistic grounds. How can you expect from a man who has never seen a computer, to own a software industry.

  130. Abhishek Srivastava
    November 24, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Hi guys
    Seems there is some war between the guys supporting an IAS and an eunterprenuers. Alright before commenting anything I would like to say that I am a chemical engineering graduate from BITS Pilani(class 2010)(guys m not braggin please :D). I know a lot of my friends have started their own firm in bangalore and will surely be successful eunterprenuers in future. A EEE senior bagged 4th rank in UPSC and recently I friend of mine bagged Rs. 1 crore from some bank(obviously doller converted :P IIM A grad).

    Coming to the point, being an IAS officer, an euterprenuer or an investment banker is purely an individuals ambition. U have to decide how u want to die(as among the above mention :D). Justifying your ambitions over others taking others names/profession is bullshit.

    Well whatever u do, if u can live with it is kool. U can serve the nation by being any of the above. There is no debate over it.

    Now coming to my short autobiography :P. I too wanted to become an IAS officer when I was in XIIth. I prepared for IIT JEE, ended in BITS. Now have given CAT n hopefully would fit in some IIM and then I plan to start a technology driven company. Yes Over the last 6 years, many times I thought of preparing for UPSC, eradicate corruption, fight against the corrupt politicians, remove social inequality by being an IAS oficer. But it’s not so easy guys when u don’t get even 10% of what an investment banker gets. At this point of time I can say I can help myself, my nation more effectively by being an eunterprenuer than being an IAS officer. This is just my case. No generalization please. If u think u can serve yourself and then nation by being an IAS officer and not an eunterprenuer, well go for it. :Respect.

    “To conclude, u can do whatever u want to do(serving yourselves and nation) only if u r satisfied with your profession and do what u think is great work. There is no point fighting on threads like this and justfying 1s opinion.”

    PS: Chetan Bhagat an IIT/IIM grad leaves his job as an investment banker and is now writing books that is undoubtedly changing the society…Kool job!!!

  131. Dhruv Pandey
    December 10, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    it was just an ridiculuos experience to this para but i m appreciating to the truth which u have written and that also we know all this.But not to become an IAS officer is not the way to make our country successfull. If the uncorrupt peaple like us will not become administrative officer then who will handle the situation which are harming the country… exactly the thing is that we should be inspired to become an IAS officer so that we can make our country corruption free and purely democratic..

  132. pragya
    December 30, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Dear Renagade_division , it is nice to see that you are a very opiniated person but my friend having an opinion about things is good however being dogmatic hmm I guess not. The points you raised about the market doing the wonders for an economy is absolutely right but for the nation as a whole , not really. Our’s is a developing nation with more than 70% of its population lying in the villages. I am sure you are aware of this fact but my question is , if you are then how can you even dream of saying that these people are becoming better off with new MNC’s coming around , with the rise of so called entrepreneur’s who are certainly responsible for rise in economic growth but not in economic development . A man with an average earning does not care about how an economy is growing but how he can meet his daily requirements in terms of food, shelter and clothing . Basic necessity which you and I dont have to care for but these people sure do and here comes the role of Govt. or bureucrats per say . It is these bureaucrats who make policies with the help of economic advisories regarding how much food subsidies need to be granted and trust me these subsidies which you may raise several questions about it’s authenticity is feeding thousands of families in our country who otherwise would have been starving. The NREGA an act which have ensured a daily wage for many was not started by any of your entrepreneur’s (again there may arise many questions regarding how fair it is and so on) but my question is how many programms are started by these entrepreneurs to improve the lives of the poor , mark my word of the POOR and not an average citizen with minimum required education level. My friend , the famous keynsian theory which was resposible in reviving the US economy from 1930 great depression had no role of the market in it but it was the govt or state which played a vital role in reviving them .
    My only point is that there is an endless list of what a bureaucrat can do and what an entrepreneur is capable of doing but what is important is a fact that neither an economy can grow without the help of entrepreneur’s nor a govt. can work effeciently without the help of the same set of people . Economy and politics go hand in hand and IAS oficer’s are the one who had to strike a balance between the two. Last but not the least if you are such an anarchist which I believe you are by reading your post ( correct me if I am wrong ) then all I can say is that for a better Govt. or a better system ” ONE HAS TO BE IN THE SYSTEM TO CHANGE THE SYSTEM “. It is very easy to pin point from outside but difficult to take that task in our own hand and make it the way we like it.

  133. marathi manus
    January 5, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    ias gives a power to frame policies of the country, take important decisions and implement the government policies effectively. ias is a service provided to the nation. if you are a true deshpremi, your mind is clear and full of pride on nation and if you have a good vision to make your country a ‘superpower’ in the world, no one can stop you from doing your work, the corruption will not distract your mind from your goal. remember- “jis saale me dam hai uska koi kuchh nahi bigad sakta”! jai hind jay maharashtra!

  134. sanskriti
    January 6, 2012 at 11:51 pm

    yeah! i agree. if anyone want to be in an IAS. He should just forget about the money. He should serve all the people by his heart not by his money. he should be an honest officer otherwise of no use. There is no shortage of the corrupt officers but shortage of the honest ones. So, do not help increasing the number of the corrupt ones but help in increasing the number of not only the honest IAS officers but an honest Indian citizen.Serving the nation never means only by being in civil service and then serving,it means being honest and doing whatever your herat says. So, first of all be honest.

  135. Kiran
    January 12, 2012 at 3:22 pm

    Absolutely agree with Pragya (the above post)

    It is quite clear as water that, those who blowed the trumpets of with words/phrases like “Useless government, stupid, corrupt bureaucracy.. etc” are just immature, short-sighted and restless.

    There are inefficiencies everywhere. Though, IAS officers are involved directly in nation building and nation forming, they too are humans and are sometimes/most of the times, succumbed to the urge of greed and nepotism. And,practically speaking, many a times, they have to be corrupt or keep a blind eye to the corrupt practices visible to them. Else, they will be grudged against and are stepped down eventually. This is a hard reality.

    But, it doesnt mean to say, hence there is no hope and necessity from these IAS officers for the nation. It is wrong to think that way.

    It may be very hard to digest for many, but, it is possible to (and, practically, it is the only way)serve for your nation inspite of being corrupt at times, in some way or the other.

    IAS officers are not (and are not expected to be) Gandhi or bahagat singh.

    Conclusion: To all those criticizers of bureaucracy and government, anyway, you cant do anything more than just voice ur angst in forums like these…. so, IAS officers, corrupt or not-corrupt, your fate and, the environment in which you will have to live in India, will be decided by these select officers. So, why not do some productive work like the one you mentioned above… go, be a TATA or Ambani (the so-called nation builders)!!

  136. January 14, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    I am amazed by how opionated you are considering that your exposure to the IAS is based solely on people who want to write the exam. There are a lot of officers who have worked honestly and transformed many lives. Anyway if you want to actually know what happens in the IAS you should considering this blog i came across.
    katainbabuland.wordpress.com

  137. vjbas
    February 4, 2012 at 3:04 pm

    Well,one can’t get direct benefit from an ias officer.True .But the very survival of the companies of your revered business moguls depends on the market environment created by the govt. policies(you know who are involved in their making, don’t you?). My advice to you (whether you take it or not)-be well informed and have a broader outlook.

  138. towardsutopia
    February 7, 2012 at 7:46 am

    To Renegade Division: Completely agree with Mangal Pandey(comment somewhere above). After reading your article, even my desire to become an IAS officer has increased manifold! I belong to an upper-middle class business family. You article, rather than criticizing throws light on the desperation Libertarians have to establish their Anarcho-cap. society. Though being dogmatic is fine, but looking at the world from a ‘given, pre-determined’ lens is dangerous. Its my suggestion to keep your brains open for newer methodologies & ideas.

    What I’ve learnt by my journey in understanding Economics is that “one must never zero-in on an ideology without thoroughly understanding & grasping all the other ideologies & their literature”. That’s a long journey, isn’t it? But that’s justice, which you’re avoiding by being brainwashed badly in a particular ideology.

    Austrian Economics too has its various sub-schools, hasn’t it? Misessoids, Hayekians, Rothbardians, Lachhmannians, etc. You seem to be under the influence of M Rothbard. Its exciting, but dangerous too.

    Mainstream Economics is criticized by many people today. There are a plethora of Heterodox schools engaged in it. Add to that individual writers such as Stiglitz, Sen, Basu, etc. (whom free-marketists tend to brand as ‘leftists’).

    Your terming yourself ‘Austrian’ is incorrect & a insult of this school of thought. You must rather brand yourself ‘Rothbardian’ though you’ve mentioned that you’re an Anarcho-cap.

    Its better if you think beyond stage one as Sowell would argue. By this I mean, go beyond Liberty. There’s Equality & Fraternity that are crucially essential too. Sole focus on Liberty will take you young brainwashed souls nowhere.

    Also, I sincerely hope you’re aware about Smith’s myth. Am putting some blog addresses below which will help you come out of this brainwashed state of mind you have currently. Austrian Econ is fine, but not to the absurd ends to which Anarcho-caps take it. Anyways, here are the links:{Am NOT related/linked/connected with these blogs in anyway, am sharing the links WITHOUT the permission of the concerned blog owners, though its absolutely fine)

    http://socialdemocracy21stcentury.blogspot.in/
    —This blog debunks & ridicules all the great proclamations by Austrians, rubbishes them & will help you people to realize that Austrian Econ is just another heterodox school, not worth following as a dogmatic.

    http://critiques.us/wiki/Critiques_Of_Libertarianism
    —I assume I don’t need to introduce Mike Huben to you! He must be well-known to you assuming you’re a well-informed Libertarian. From his site you can go to his original website & blog too. This site is till ‘under construction’, so you can refer the original site mentioned somewhere on the main page.

    http://adamsmithslostlegacy.blogspot.com/
    —-For debunking the “rape” of Adam Smith’s invisible hand mythology.

    My goal is to alarm you & your division of NOT wasting your lives running behind dangerously wrong ideas. I was introduced to Libertarianism & Anarcho-cap. a long time ago. The person couldn’t affect my thinking, thus ended up putting ad hominems against my ambition of being a Civil Servant. I wish to save a few souls from drowning in this gutter of dogmatism. Its my final advice(I know I’ve given many without being asked for!) that study all school of thoughts, be open to all ideas, don’t isolate your mind in a particular ideology, it would never yield anything.

    Also, its my advice(please bear with me!) that after thoroughly going through above mentioned links, you people get back to normal life. Rather than sitting at homes & fighting digital wars on what’s the solution for a better world, its better you get in the field & utilize the available apparatuses to make a difference in lives of as many people as you can.

    Stop wasting digital space & time, get into the superstructure, deliver results. Escapism won’t work. I know its luxurious to sit & blog against Government, but extremely challenging to get into it & contribute to the betterment & development of Society- which many have been doing despite being hardly known, your unawareness about contribution of Civil Servants is a good example of their contribution being unknown.

    Want to really do something for India, its people & the society at large? Join Indian Administrative Services. There are many Entrepreneurs out there, nation needs better Civil Servants.

    Apologies if I in any manner offended you. If possible, do try to put hyperlinks of those links mentioned above, so that readers can just click on the links & visit the sites. Regards & Blessings to you.

  139. SUHEL
    July 8, 2012 at 6:54 am

    guys, i read Post and comments of all above the pages,i am an average college student and i thing u all buddy’s are from the best institutions of our country, IIT,IIM,IISc,Bits pilani and many more but friend don’t u all have brain that u all can sit together and make an new system for govt of India, still u work for govet or not for govt, but u all know that things will help u both if u make the new Mechanism for govt and business houses.

  140. Info
    August 30, 2012 at 3:18 am

    Who said IAS or IPS officer earn less than IIM or IIT grad …infact to any Enterprenure or big time executive.

    CEO’s or any high level person in private sector earns max. 50 lakhs to 1 crore per year.

    IAS and IPS posted at decent distirct earn around 2-3 crore per month …and they dont have to be corrupt for that … collection comes ..juniors arrange your share …these flawless system is evolved through the years … nobody resist … nor complain…. what to become is Individuals choice and capability … assuming somebody is holding potential to crack all the things mentioned … IAS makes sense … Huge Power, Huge money …and most of all corrupt or non corrupt huge respect (fear)…Desh lut raha hai …sab lut rahe hai … why this philosohical question ..”what to choose” …either Join them …or leave for greener pasture …to some else country if you are capable of …

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