73 Responses to “Want be an IAS Officer, please read this!”

1. Mayuresh Says:

   August 16th, 2009 at 12:10 am

   “Serving the nation”?

   Nation is relatively new concept. They may even change their boundaries, merge etc. Society is older than nation.

   “Another IAS officer”?

   Their intake is limited, I think.
   An IAS officer can create an environment for creating wealth. e.g. infrastructural developments.

   “Creating wealth uplifts the hard working people of India, it makes the society better.”

   Wealth is created by “intelligence”.
   Economic growth” is a quantitative thing (difference of outputs) while “Economic development” is qualitative(has got something to do with quality of products and distribution of wealth), so difficult to measure.

2. Roma Says:

   August 16th, 2009 at 12:11 am

   Just money is not enough to make the society better.And also we don’t need just a better society,we need it to be the best.For this only moneymakers are not needed,we need someone who wants to serve,who wants to bring peace&honesty,who has the courage to deal with the corrupt system,who thinks of his nation’s welfare more than his own.If you have all these qualities then go and become an IAS otherwise we have a lot of selfish Indians ,be one of them.

3. Sajumon Says:

   August 16th, 2009 at 12:11 am

   Going by numbers, How many people like Azeem Premji and Narayan Murthy are there in India? May be some 4 or 5 more names like Ramadorai, Gopalakrishnan etc, far less than the number of IAS officers. Nobody knows the CEOs of lesser known software companies. IAS’s not about money, its about service.

4. Pratap Sahoo Says:

   August 16th, 2009 at 12:11 am

   Yeah you are right !! Infact dreaming for an IAS – the civil servant , requires the desire for serving people and nations. It mere not a job. More pain you get than you gain. If you are corrupt then not an issue . If you are honest , and upright then be ready with your weapon of defending against all sort of politics, demoralisation, transfers, humilations. But you can fight under the constituitin lap-rules. Just dare to bear, and win … Thats all IAS. Yep entrepreneaur will be right choice to altogether a major portion for financial; security , as well self satisfication, where in you gain the colour of flying in life. May be IAS can not , and its under rules and constituition. Thanks, Pratap Kumat(kish_an2002@yahoo.co.in)

5. roohi Says:

   August 16th, 2009 at 12:14 am

   being ias helps to serve nation……………
   protect nation by becoming ias officer
   shut up

6. rohit Says:

   August 16th, 2009 at 12:15 am

   this is so unjust statement. You cant draw a comparison between business and governance. Its about serving the nation by ensuring the correct disposition of services so that the fruit of independence can be enjoyed by all.Monetary independence is not everything my friend.

7. renegade_division Says:

   August 16th, 2009 at 12:15 am

   There is nothing unjust about this statement. You think there is something different about the governance, but the truth is there is none. Its not like someone wanted to work in movies and I told them join MBA program.

   I can see there are so many pissed people here, but what you guys don’t get it is that its just completely dishonest and unethical to work for the government. If you got your govt job before 1991(before India was liberalized) and you have been working in there since then you have at least an excuse that there was no other option. On the other hand, you only have power hungry tendencies if you want to work for the government.

   Forgetting the moralities, you can do much more by being a businessman. I mean why do you really want to be an IAS officer at the first place? The point you don’t get is free market also does that same job. Ambanis do the job of 500 IAS officers in India in terms of moving Gas, Oil, and running Telecom services. Tatas do the job of a 1000 IAS officers in planning resources through profit and loss calculations.

   Remember the License Raj? The reason behind the poor India we had until we liberalized it?? It was a pure outcome of Indian Administrative Services. I am not saying they formed the policies which resulted in license raj, but merely saying that they were the people who choked India.

   I hope we eliminate IAS altogether in the coming years.

8. Joseph Jude Says:

   August 24th, 2009 at 5:09 pm

   “free market also does that same job” - who creates this free market? Not Ambani’s but these administrative officers. Administration of nation needs administrative officers, in one name or the other. We need good administrative officers & politicians.

   And what makes you think these business folks are serving the nation? Given a choice between serving themselves (or family) and nation, how many of them will choose nation? Whatever your answer is, same holds good for these IAS officers.
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9. neerav harsh Says:

   August 24th, 2009 at 7:15 pm

   My dear renegade_division!
   You seem to be very strongly jaundiced against the government and India’s system of govt controlled economy(finding it unethical to work for the govt!!). So be it!
   Me being a callow in the field of capitalistic economy or the open economy, can u please answer some of questions in order to enlighten me about ‘the only panacea to india’s problems-open market’? please i insist!

   1)Where were these business bazigars when over one lakh farmers in india commited in last one year?
   ( one cannot question IAS because they cannot decide whether to give a subsidy to farmers at all! they can only survey and ‘suggest’ how much to be given)
   And why did my philanthropic business friends exacerbated the wounds of these farmers by selling the agricultural products at such higher prices!
   Even for dying these farmers had to use the pesticide the govt is selling for free!
   On the other hand there was a market crash on the Dalal street? The then finance minister had to jet to mumbai to console the many businessmen who had just lost crores of ‘notional’ money. Since the fortune of a farmer has lesser zeroes, so their lives also became less important!
   2) Wasn’t it the profit motive that actually RUNS the open economy was also the reason behind the cases like Bofor’s case or the cheap spare parts of MIG case(which killed many of our jawans who unlike u and me go to war & try to keep us safe by working with the govt)? If politicians were caught during the Tehelka case-who bribed them.THE OWNERS OF THE OPEN ECONOMY’!
   3) Somebody blamed the IAS for the license raj. I agree with that person completely. But who is responsible for the mafia raj?
   lemme answer this one!- it’s those business barons who want to control your open economy.
   4)What is wrong with United Nations that its surveys are saying that in the developed countries (i mean open economies like US and Uk), the barrier is constantly increasing between the rich and the poor,that is, the rich (owners of the open economy) become richer and the poor become poorer.
   5) What is the motive behind the kidney scams and our poachers? isn’t it just profit?
   6)Why is it that it is easier(cheaper) to get urea for a farmer if he grows cash crops than if he grows food grains?
   Because the businessmen want u grow only cash crops-it runs their business.
   7)Why is that CIPLA sells the medicines in Africa at Five times the actual price?
   8)Why is that even after so much protest the narmada dam was built which embibed the houses of almost 16 million people? Because of the pressure from IMF and World Bank who invest the unused capital of United States into the Business of Debt creation.
   9)Why is that a PIL in America after 9/11 had shown signs of funding by some MNCs in terrorist activities all over the globe?
   10)Why is that the most industrialized countries are harming the environment the highest! because the businessmen across the globe are not concerned about anything which means spending money and yet no profit from that.
   11) What are the vegetable vendors supposed to do after your Ambanis snatched away their only way to earn bread by opening the ‘Reliance Fresh’?

   For now i think this will be enough to satiate my thirst for the knowledge about open economy!

10. renegade_division Says:

    August 25th, 2009 at 6:16 am

    @Joseph Jude said:

    “free market also does that same job” - who creates this free market? Not Ambani’s but these administrative officers.

    I am sorry dude but that’s highly inaccurate and dishonest.
    Would Free Market exist without these administrative officers? Yes it would.
    Would Free Market exist without Ambanis and only with these administrative officers, No it wouldn’t.

    We need good administrative officers & politicians.

    No we don’t need good(or bad) administrative officers and politicians you are totally wrong. All administrative officers do is create hurdles in the way of free enterprise.

    And what makes you think these business folks are serving the nation? Given a choice between serving themselves (or family) and nation, how many of them will choose nation?

    What you do not get is that your definition of ‘serving the nation’ is flawed.
    Serving the nation doesn’t mean throwing yourself in front of the speeding trains to stop them from going off a broken bridge.
    You can serve your nation and make HUGE profits.
    When Ambanis try to run a cell phone company they are helping the people by providing them with a means of communication and making profits.

    Do you really think India would be better off if Tatas, Ambanis, Birlas, Murthys and Premjis were social service workers working in the slums of Mumbai? What would you rather have, 1000 entrepreneurs creating massive services in India or 1000 social workers? I know I would choose the entreprenuers over social workers any day.

11. ts just being about sensible Says:

    August 29th, 2009 at 2:50 am

    Hi,
    Its very to say “become a business man and serve the nation through money”.But, let me make a point here , how many of the businessmen can you recognize in India , who actually have the privilege of thinking beyond the daily profits and losses… how many of them think of saving their surplus income to their monetary treasury than to invest in repairing a leaking drainage sewage in front of their shops ? and yes, also not everybody else becomes another Azim Premji or Ambani,… don’t one realise that a competitive exam like IAS gives a child from a family of limited means an opportunity to serve his society , than to become a grocery ‘wala’ ‘bhaiya’ throughout his life…. even when he has seen and felt the need of an efficient administration among his strata of society more than a well-fed Ambani son,like most of us, living in a plush bungalow…. its not that IAS is corrupt but ‘we,the people of india’ that make it corrupt…
    and friend the entreprenuers which u r referring are only few high-level personalities who have gained sufficient mileage so that there up or down affects the economy of the country… rest all of them are small pawns who are more involved with the rise and rise of their own companies.. and for their profits they can go to even extent of harming the people,environment and nation at large… i do not need to cite such examples.. as there are plenty of them… and haan,, its nothing about getting pissed.. its just being about sensible ….

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13. Jackbid ;) Says:

    September 5th, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    I was shocked after reading the comments. People love this corrupt, diabolical, useless government…

    C’mon… Its unbelievable… people actually like the Police state… they want someone to be their “Master” who tells them how to run their lives…

    Now I know why the British could rule over us for more than 100 years… Its the mentality of people… the inferiority complex… they think a bunch of elected hoodlums can run their lives…

14. its about just being sensible Says:

    September 20th, 2009 at 11:48 pm

    @Jackbid :
    hey,its not that people actually love this system..
    C’mmon how can you say that when people like u n me ridicule and swear with “sweet words” a hundred times the idiot government for its dirty garbage disposal system,its pathetic transit system n what not..
    its just that either we are too dumb to think of a new idea of governance or too lazy to move out of our confined domains and snatch away the charge from these “idiots” and lead a surge of new change…
    Well,umm…as far as only a “few bunch of people” are concerned then could u suggest another efficient method to coordinate a country of over 1 billion population…. ?(and haan.. it would be nice if you keep in mind the mentality of those 1 billion ppl too,
    while answering ..)

15. tamanna Says:

    October 19th, 2009 at 2:53 am

    no. I completely disagree with your reply. business is entirely different from serving the nation. today india’s condition is like- rich are becoming richer and poor the poorer. so where is your monetary Independence helping India become independent. I want this ias aspirant 2 know that there was a gandhi. think what he thinks. read some of his books. they are a great moral booster. though I too am struggling with the same que that you are but 1 thing is for sure- ias will help you take decisions that will make a difference in the poor sections of our country and so too the the country itself. ias is a top position. it will help you with an opportunity 2 take your own decisions- and I hope justified decisions- that will help reform some lives.
    all the best.take decisions in favor of India. by the way why don’t you go for the option of being a politician? no better option 2 serve the country if you are that determined.anyways do ur best.
    god bless you.

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16. crusader Says:

    October 21st, 2009 at 6:33 am

    The reason for flaw or bless in any society(in the sense, millions of people) is determined by the people who sit at the top. Since ours is a DEMOCRACY, we are given the chance to elect those for the top. All these measures either wanting to be an IAS or IPS or NGO’S working or social service organisations or XYZ etc etc.. is to correct(only minute correction) the flaws done by the top brass leaders(as we call them).
    My simple & straight question is why electing fools(since we were given chance to elect) & we becoming fools for the next 5 years? & why all these corrections in various forms with huge struggling?
    I know many constables & lower cadre employees who are sincere. But this crooked politicians are not allowing them to function independently with their own conscience & discretion.Thats the pity.
    We can’t say that I stay in isolation from the politics because from morning milk-packet till night jet-coil, we directly or indirectly need government to supply, control, monitor, regulate, check monopoly etc etc.So no isolation from politics & govt( clarified)
    So no use blaming IAS or NGO’s. Almost in every state, there are some crusader parties who understood the above said formula & are contesting like LOKSATTA in A.P, MKSS in maharashtra,in DELHI, KARNATAKA, T.N etc etc. almost in every state of INDIA. So for heaven’s sake, first be voters & try to change the country with a single valuable vote.
    THATS THE KEY FOR ALL THE PROBLEMS. ( no need of editorials, fightings here)

17. aditya Says:

    October 24th, 2009 at 6:00 pm

    The best i understand from your advise to the fellow is you don’t agree with the way these IAS dudes work.

    If that is all to your objection (please correct me here if I’m wrong) then I’d disagree with you. I agree not every IAS officer is going to improve your life but the same stands true for every entrepreneur.

    ONE. Able administration is a backbone of any modern nation. And without these trained professionals (yes I’d consider them as one) our politicians would be taking unguided liberties for development. At least these guys provide our leaders with relevant options. I’d take current scenario anytime as against the likes of Mayawati taking all things in her hands. So first point is these guys DO make a difference by suggesting a flyover over an airport or a canal over a dam.

    Don’t confuse these guys with sarkari-babus. They are at a totally different level. They are the dispensable red tapestries.

    TWO. So in this case how does a blood red patriot do his duty honestly? My advise to the fellow wud be “become a part of the system. Rise to the highest ranks. EARN the right to fiddle with things. And then go on a clean up drive”.
    The very reason for existence of a hierarchy is so that no tom-harry-**** cud from wonderland could turn
    the system. This may be bad for quick change, but this is a fail safe mechanism that should not be meddled with. You want things done a certain way, then first prove that you have enough understanding of the system.

    THREE. so the question arises in such a dreadful corrupt system, how can you expect to be recognized let alone rewarded with a promotion? I’d say just do what u r supposed to do. Admin services are NOT supposed to make policy decisions, that’s what elected leaders r there for. We call it democracy. Seeing a failing project getting selected should not concern u. Just be true to sphere of work, n u will get recognized (sooner or later) cause the corrupt people are always short of people who can get things done (with a clean chit).

    FOUR. Local kirana-walla is as much of an entrepreneur as an Ambani or a Premji (albeit to a lesser degree). So if you r saying that an IAS officer a worth-less than ANY entrepreneur then again you are mistaken. I’d say an IAS would be in a much better position to affect your conviniences than MOST entrepreneurs put together.

    FIVE. Of course entrepreneurs are a valuable class n i agree we need more of them but this doesn’t mean that ALL IAS blokes ought to commit harakiri to take nation ahead by one step. We can very well use an additional officer who is ready to undergo the tests of one of the most hardened corrupt systems. One who is committed to cleanse the system slowly but effectively.

    So if the dude really craves for it, I’d ask him to go to hell from the depths of my heart :)

    If any of you guys feel otherwise please let me know at aditya.shirolkar@gmail.com

18. aarar Says:

    November 9th, 2009 at 5:00 am

    Are you unaware of the power held by IAS officers.
    The power of authority given by law is incomparable.
    This power can be used both to serve the country and ,disgustingly to, fill one`s pocket.
    it is nobodys case that only IAS officers contribute to the society.but to serve directly you need to be in the governance side or social service side rather than in business.who reports abt new businesses and and help to allocates land to the market?who decides whether the company ur planning in the land is against the ecology of the place?who promotes certain business over others?who decides to develop infrastructure in place X to promote business?who facilitates economic devolopment?the freemarket you have envisaged is nowhere there in the world.without governance market cannot exist.the Ambanis and Tatas have always worked in collusion with the govt and evil bureaucrats .pls get some knowledge about how Ambani and govt goes hand in hand.
    an entreprenure is not an authority. He works to profit himself and indirectly contributes to the society.the administrator is an authority and is supposed (and has enough power)to govern thesociety, which includes the entreprenure, in the right direction..
    and about the upright IAS officers…there are lot many.and they mostly works behind the scenes.some who are upright ,but arrogant, have also attracted media attention and hence star value like Sheshan,K.J.Alphonse etc.Pls dont give ill advises.

19. s.bharath Says:

    November 26th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    @ renegade_division
    “Ambanis do the job of 500 IAS officers in India in terms of moving Gas, Oil, and running Telecom services. Tatas do the job of a 1000 IAS officers in planning resources through profit and loss calculations.”
    Plz dont misguide ppl!Get your facts right. Think before you write!IAS is for people who want to change the country and who have the courage to make a difference. India is a developing nation and she needs good administration and just not money spinning machines. If india has to improve its just not possible by business men alone. it needs a collaborative effort and it has to start from me and you.

20. VJS Says:

    December 8th, 2009 at 9:58 am

    @ S BHARATH

    Mr BHARATH you said:

    1)”IAS is for people who want to change the country and who have the courage to make a difference”

    ANS(1): please name the IAS people who changed the country for better and made a positive difference….
    all majority instances i hear are negative

    BUT I CAN QUOTE THOUSAND ENTREPRENEURS that did do what is needed by this country…and fewer negative instances
    BUT all imbeciles wud say they dont distribute money to poor…
    people economics doesn’t work that way..i know you dont know about THE INVISIBLE HAND….but it means that economics doesn’t knock your door and give u presents..but just that with all the jobs they create …the goods they make…this pushes a society towards progress..but ur IAS ppl not satisfied with their loot would not let others do their duty…

    tell me how many PSU’s (headed by IAS) are profitable….only a few (without competition like RAILWAYS,ONGC etc) are and only those which have been listed and adopted CORPORATE MANNERISMS…

    2)”India is a developing nation and she needs good administration and just not money spinning machines. If india has to improve its just not possible by business men alone”

    ANS(2): agreed india needs good administration ut does these corrupt IAS IPS give us a good administration…NO they even thwart the attempts of some honest officers

    NOT TO MENTION…THEY WONT CATCH TRUE TAX EVADERS of whom they are lapdogs but would thwart any young entrepreneur who wants to do good but these officers u cherish wud PULL A 1000 rules out of their *** and stop them…i think you dont know INDIA LINGERS IN THE BOTTOM of the list titled “EASE OF DOING BUSINESS”

    THE ABOVE WAS MY REPLY TO THIS DUDE NOW THIS IS WT I THINK….

    GOOD BUSINESSMAN — -BAD BUSINESS MAN

    1)people if a business man is good he would cause betterment of:
    a)himself and his family
    b)his employees- by creating jobs
    c)area around him- by producing goods and services
    d)poor- by doing charity or other constructive work

    2)and if a business man is bad he would cause betterment of
    a,b,c (same as above)
    d)even if he omits ‘d’ from above he is not causing any harm, why are IAS fans against the poor guy if he is making some money,
    e)the only harm he does is some crime like adulteration or tax evasion BUT LET ME REMIND IAS FANS…that these crimes are possible only because IAS,IRS,IPS dont do their duty, they joined it not because of any concern for service of indians..they jus want a red light and lots of money without hardwork….
    NOW IAS FANS can argue that there can be GOOD IAS DO…but let me tell you what…THE MAJORITY OF DIRTY IAS FRATERNITY would stop these good people (we have many examples)

    CONCLUSION- GOOD businessmen do LOTS OF GOOD and BAD businessmen do a LITTLE LESS GOOD (BUT THEY GOOD)

    NOW Lets study the second case:
    GOOD IAS — -BAD IAS

    1)IAS has no job being good or bad he has come there by his own choice..he swears that he would serve the country but all he does is a blatant rape of the country…
    He is bound by duty to serve the people…thats why he is given a red light as a symbol of esteem above common man…he is supposed to lead the people…serve them…
    politicians are filthy idiots…IAS should boycott their nefarious designs they have been given such powers but they chose not to….these intelligent IAS concoct sophisticated schemes to assist politicians to denude mother india and get a paltry tip in return…
    THEY WANT TO EQUAL THE WEALTH OF BUSINESSMEN but are not willing to grind themselves….so use cheap shortcuts..

    REMEMBER THIS IS NOT FOR HONEST IAS ppl…my father is an army officer too…BUT THE PROBLEM is the DIRTY FRATERNITY murders the honest whistleblowers, transfer them, abuse them and what not….the only problem is that these DIRTY IAS are in OVERWHELMING MAJORITY…

    remember politicians and IAS cant do anything without each other…even if 50% of one of the groups chose to stop corruption it would be achieved in no time…BUT THEY WONT….politicians want intelligent IAS to loot the common people and IAS want politicians to save them from law as IAS wants nothin but commit innumerable crimes…be it bribery, their children creating raucous,
    flaunting traffic rules, favoritism, assisting there businessmen friend to flaunt all rules and regulations

    CONCLUSION:
    BUSINESSMEN CAN BE GOOD OR BAD…in both ways he contributes
    the wrongs they commit are supposed to be checked by IAS, IPS…

    IAS and all have no option….they are supposed to be good…but they are criminals assisting more and bigger criminals…

    SOLUTION:

    country needs both…although MORE BUSINESSMEN and very few IAS IPS….
    the problem can be cured if new IAS ENTRANTS REALLY JOIN THE SERVICES TO SERVE….soon they will overcrowd the bad fish and exterminate them…but only if they want to ….and that is not a near case…almost all people i know take IAS coachings in delhi to have that RED LIGHT CAR….and beat the hell out of asses of common man…

21. crusader Says:

    December 10th, 2009 at 8:18 am

    The reason for flaw or bless in any society(in the sense, millions of people) is determined by the people who sit at the top. Since ours is a DEMOCRACY, we are given the chance to elect those for the top. All these measures either wanting to be an IAS or IPS or NGO’S working or social service organisations or XYZ etc etc.. is to correct(only minute correction) the flaws done by the top brass leaders(as we call them).
    My simple & straight question is why electing fools(since we were given chance to elect) & we becoming fools for the next 5 years? & why all these corrections in various forms with huge struggling?
    I know many constables & lower cadre employees who are sincere. But this crooked politicians are not allowing them to function independently with their own conscience & discretion.Thats the pity.
    We can’t say that I stay in isolation from the politics because from morning milk-packet till night jet-coil, we directly or indirectly need government to supply, control, monitor, regulate, check monopoly etc etc.So no isolation from politics & govt( clarified)
    So no use blaming IAS or NGO’s. Almost in every state, there are some crusader parties who understood the above said formula & are contesting like LOKSATTA in A.P, MKSS in maharashtra,in DELHI, KARNATAKA, T.N etc etc. almost in every state of INDIA. So for heaven’s sake, first be voters & try to change the country with a single valuable vote.
    Until & unless political equations & political mindsets change, nothing can be seen as a hope.

    @VJS
    boss, everyone, even a 3rd class child knows that the system is rotten & things are utterly going wrong. Y again telling the same known fact ( mixed with pessimism) here? Now the struggle has to be: — - HOW to get rid of this? how to change this? how to rectify,repair it? Y again telling the same thing again & again.

    VJS, pls be positive.there may be 10 out of 100 odd ones, but the remaining 90 are with high zeal & enthusiasm. I hope u heard of resigned IAS officers like Arunarai (MKSS), Dr.jaiprakash narayan (LOKSATTA) etc etc. They didn’t come out of frustration & depression. They came out of the service as nothing is left for them to do there & probably India needs much more out of them. They came out shouting EUREKA…….EUREKA…….as they had understood where the rot is!! They r real scholars who had understood the evolution of the society. U may be scholar in your own aspect……but u can’t grow heights if u keep on struggling with the problem.we have solutions for everything, lets work towards that. people aspiring towards that have spirit within them otherwise they would have entered into a B-school rather than Mussorie academy.

    JAIHIND

22. VJS Says:

    December 10th, 2009 at 10:23 am

    @CRUSADER..

    well bro..i think you have misinterpreted me…
    i know what i wrote is patent and obvious to everyone but not to those few to whom my comment was originally targeted…actually when i arrived here i saw people arguing over who is good: IAS or BUSINESSMEN

    so i explained using simplest possible language with solid reasons:
    a) BUSINESSMEN can be good ord bad but in both cases they contribute to society…

    b)In case a businessman is hurting our ecosystem it is GOVT’s duty to check, stop, curb the same but on the contrary GOVT creates a favorable habitat for such wrongdoers….but why this CONNIVANCE hurts more is that GOVT is pretty inactive in weeding out the pests but IS FULLY ACTIVE in impeding the good people be it IAS or BUSINESSMEN or SOCIALWORKERS from changing the system…

    c)IAS have no choice being good or bad, they are paid to work for the country’s good

    Secondly I am not a pessimist…nor do i propagate pessimism…as i have, though simple, suggested conclusion and solution to the problem…which you completely missed

    Also you yourself have conceded that the capable IAS which is in minority abominate the corrupt majority and are forced to resign….though your figures are exact opposites….of what they are in actuality….

    ELECTION is no solution on the following grounds:
    (this is not pessimism but reality)

    a) majority in india is illiterate they cant discern between what is good or bad for them
    b) this illiterate majority is swayed more by religious, casteist, regionalistic propaganda..and not development issues
    c) the literate minority controls its population but the illiterate majority has qualms in endless reproduction and so the illiterate will always reign with their illiterate chieftans who will further promote illiteracy, computer and english hatred….and hence more illiterate people…and ROUND AND ROUND in this way…and what we get an UNBREAKABLE VICIOUS CIRCLE…

    SO THE SOLUTION IS
    (bro CRUSADER..please read it this time or you will again be calling me a pessimistic who harps on problems but is ineffectual in providing solutions)

    The solution lies in youth..the capable youth the enlightened youth would soon be exasperated and hence would seek knowledge and means…already enlightened youth will through such blogs and what not will guide more like them…and they will start to become a powerful force (this istuation will come i dont know when…no1 knows when..but certainly it hasnt arrived yet)
    at that time such youth will drive big businessess, hold public offices..Businesses would provide employment and distract youth from futile activities like beating up others at bars and hampering valentine days and participating in plundering towns, chakka jaam, bandh in the name of PEACEFUL PROTESTS..these activities are found flourishing where unemployment is high…so businesses even though bad according to some IAS fans would do a lot good (IN FACT NO SON OF A GUN can measure the absolute good direct/indirect done by trade and business….the humanity progessed so much only due to trade my dear bro…. )

    Also good, motivated and new youthful IAS would play a part,Such IAS would not worship these idiot leaders..they would be ready to resign at the very moment they are asked to part ways with their principles (such mesures i.e. resignations doesnt work today beacuse such good people are in minority…but not tomorrow…wen one good IAS threatening to resign…wud mean a call to 100 others who would support him that way no politician would dare to transfer or exploit them at his fancies and whims…

    Bro the solution lies in EDUCATION…..
    If goveremnet doesnt promote it…the youth one day will…for sure……innumerable good souls are alreday doing so…
    the contribution of everyone might not be very big…
    consider this blog…at least it kinders a fire in many who visit it…many who change for good after visiting it…

    the solution is a network of youth….a network that propagates knowledge….good thought…a network…that reprobates and highlights wrongs…a network that teches good values….shares values….discusses values…and on and on and on…
    MY FRIEND THIS IS NOT MY DREAM…this is the ONE AND ONLY SOLUTION….

    WE SHOULD discusss these things, try to cultivate good values in our siblings and friends…

    I HOPE YOU GET ME…..HOPE I DONT SOUND LIKE A DRUNKARD…
    this is my solution…you are invited to propose yours…

23. VJS Says:

    December 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am

    @ CRUSADER @ CRUSADER @ CRUSADER @ CRUSADER

    bro bro bro…i am deeply offended by your following statement
    “we have solutions for everything, lets work towards that. people aspiring towards that have spirit within them otherwise they would have entered into a B-school rather than Mussorie academy.”

    what do you wanna say….THAT B-SCHOOL aspirants dont have the spirit to do good…
    brother the whole article and these long episodes have incontrovertibly proved that BUSINESS PEOPLE….do only good and no harm to society…and any harm they might cause should be controlled by the GOVT….why dont you get this simple point….
    YOU MUST READ MY PREVIOUS COMMENTS…(the ones to which you reacted and then provide evidence for your statement)
    what you have commented is plain wrong and unfair judgement…
    atleast provide us with a little insight as to why do you think so….and if you really think so….please counter the reasons given by me that oppose what you have mentioned…

24. crusader Says:

    December 15th, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    “brother the whole article and these long episodes have incontrovertibly proved that BUSINESS PEOPLE….do only good and no harm to society…and any harm they might cause should be controlled by the GOVT….why dont you get this simple point….” —  — -
    dear VJS, renegade is fighting against the govt…. He don’t want a govt or some other authority to control evil deeds of men or whatever it may be.
    U saying that govt should control evil-doers.Even though thats the fundamental idea behind setting up of a govt,we can’t insist on someone to control & correct u for every thing. We should learn from our mistakes. Every person should inculcate some moral-code within.Thats the real intention. Govt or some other regulator can only stop to some extent. Inner sense can do wonders.

    Moreover if properly functioned with will & determination (with a good team + daring head + wise advisors + able executive), a GOVT will be the largest social-service organisation. Its true. It happened in Our country in 60’s & 70’s.But now pittily the real problem lies in rot in the govt & pessimism in the people ( as politics transformed from social service —  — -> pucca business). The reasons are some pests entered the field & spoiled the crop ( may be in the form of hereditary politics or kinships or etc etc) in 1980’s & 90’s.
    IAS aspiring people are those who are somewhat emotionally ahead of all others otherwise they would have been aspiring to become businessmen or politicians or tycoons. Y on hell they would struggle for that long & pass that hegemonious exam!! Moreover what I personally feel is “one who had read the CONSTITUTION OF INDIA (anyone can read it but IAS aspirants must read it) with heart willn’t do any wrong, will work with their full conscience, will be having a moral code running inside & will definitely feel others sufferings as his own…………… Thats all what I can say!!

    JAIHIND

25. VJS Says:

    December 17th, 2009 at 1:09 am

    @CRUSADER…

    I HAVE FULL RESPECT FOR GOOD PPL LIKE YOU.
    Yes as you and i pointed out we need good ppl….
    those who r already enlightened should enlighten more ppl…
    We all can and should make a difference…

    What i, and maybe Renegade also,think is that due to the level of infection in government machinery it has become very difficult to treat it from within…
    u know some organs have to be amputated…
    im not sayin that we should do away with government…
    all im trying 2 convey is that we should rage an all out war from ll fronts….inside and outside…
    IF YOU ARE FOR THIS YOU…..god bless you…

    but im personally very dissatisfied with the intentions of the youth even in this day….who wants to join IAS…(this might not be the case with you and many more)

    But i see a lot of youth taking up ENTREPRENEURSHIP to circumscribe this GOVERNMENT BARRICADE….advance in life….and in the process directly/indirectly help innumerable others…

    our ends are same only the means are different and i don’t think its wrong…

    i just criticize those who criticize entrepreneurs….
    as i believe that entrepreneurs do more good than harm…
    JAI HIND
    and god bless you…

26. Mehul Manoharan Says:

    December 31st, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    Everyone has one’s own opinion.

    I am in no right to oppose your comment , my friend.

    So, lets Wake UP and Do something.

    I believe, if one is really committed, dedicated and strive to be an IAS officer for the betterment of the society and works effortlessly for the same in the right direction, he ought to be a successful Indian Officer.

    Correct use of the brain at the right time and right place could well be very beneficial in the long run.

    Let me mark the change (torchbearer) starting from the small province of my fate and later spread the victory of a strong desired dream of the past in the future.

    GooD LucK

27. jitendervashist Says:

    January 23rd, 2010 at 3:42 pm

    My brother and sister,
    Jai Hind.
    I have go through deeply and found main weakness IAS regulars is,-? Promoted
    IAS from the states from, they are the main cause of down fall for (Regulars IAS)
    I have proof please contact.
    For all specially for IAS wish to be or is already IAS please read and think.
    1. A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.

    2. Even if a snake is not poisonous, it should pretend to be venomous.

    3. The biggest guru-mantra is: Never share your secrets with anybody. It will destroy you.

    4. A debt should be paid off till the last penny; an enemy should be destroyed without a trace.

    5. There is some self-interest behind every friendship. There is no friendship without self-interests. This is a bitter truth.

    6. before you start some work, always ask yourself three questions - Why am I doing it, what the results might be and will I be successful. Only when you think deeply and find satisfactory answers to these questions, go ahead.

    7. As soon as the fear approaches near, attack and destroy it.

    8. The world’s biggest power is the youth and beauty of a woman.

    9. Once you start a working on something, don’t be afraid of failure and don’t abandon it. People who work sincerely are the happiest.

    10. A good wife is one who serves her husband in the morning like a mother does loves him in the day like a sister does and pleases him like a prostitute in the night.
    thanks
     R.K.R.vashist

28. Jokhan Says:

    January 25th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    For those who are lobbing for “business is only to develop the nation”.. Pls do not forget when you become Ramlinga raju for satyam then what happens to nation. When you get beaten in Australia or else where, do not get visa or other regulation issue..it is the system finally you go for help.

    If you feel only IAS is curropt: remember the pillars of a country otherthan government, Judiciay and media. In both judiciay and media business has been practice and what is the result totally curropt, paid news..etc..
    So remember nation is not just for few selfsufficient people but it is about every one who lives in the country.

29. Renegade Division Says:

    January 25th, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    I did not say IAS is corrupt because some IAS officers are corrupt, even if IAS is built by 100% honest officers it still doesn’t change the fact that its inherently corrupt. The power to initiate aggression against the voluntary cooperation of market activities is what makes IAS corrupt.

    Is an honest Rape Minister(of the Dept of Rape Ministry) really honest? It doesn’t matter if he is honestly doing his job or not, his job is inherently wrong and corrupt.

    And tell me what happened to nation with Ramalinga Raju, a guy who swindled thousands of stock investors, who voluntarily gave him his money.
    Compare that to the thousands of ministers and IAS officer who ‘honestly’ take money from people against their consent, and keep our nation in perpetual poverty, then create all sorts of reasons on why India is not as rich as a western country.

    You are literally trying to imply that, if I give my money to a bank officer and he embezzles it and spends it, then that is worse than a Robber, who steals my money, and then honestly spends it on his kids or his neighbor’s kids and wife.

    Jokhan I don’t know which world do you live in, but there is absolutely no comparison of a news agency willingly taking money to publish news about a politician in paper, and a politician forcefully taking YOUR money and hiring IAS officers.

    How can you justify theft, and robbery and somehow make it look worse than voluntary transactions? You’ve absolutely no idea when you compare private sector corruption with public sector honesty. I am sorry.

30. jitander vashist Says:

    January 26th, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Author: jitendervashist
    Comment:
    My brother and sister,
    Jai Hind.
    I have go through deeply and found main weakness IAS regulars is,-? Promoted
    IAS from the states from, they are the main cause of down fall for (Regulars IAS)
    I have proof please contact.
    For all specially for IAS wish to be or is already IAS please read and think.
    1. A person should not be too honest. Straight trees are cut first and honest people are screwed first.

    2. Even if a snake is not poisonous, it should pretend to be venomous.

    3. The biggest guru-mantra is: Never share your secrets with anybody. It will destroy you.

    4. A debt should be paid off till the last penny; an enemy should be destroyed without a trace.

    5. There is some self-interest behind every friendship. There is no friendship without self-interests. This is a bitter truth.

    6. before you start some work, always ask yourself three questions - Why am I doing it, what the results might be and will I be successful. Only when you think deeply and find satisfactory answers to these questions, go ahead.

    7. As soon as the fear approaches near, attack and destroy it.

    8. The world’s biggest power is the youth and beauty of a woman.

    9. Once you start a working on something, don’t be afraid of failure and don’t abandon it. People who work sincerely are the happiest.

    10. A good wife is one who serves her husband in the morning like a mother does loves him in the day like a sister does and pleases him like a prostitute in the night.
    thanks
     R.K.R.vashist

31. Narendra Says:

    February 4th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Hi Renegade,
    I understand your anguish against the corrupt system in which we are living today. May be the news channels, print media have a lot of influence on your views. But I need to say that I totally disagree with your statement “Even if IAS is made up of 100% honest…..”.

    We need to understand the importance of having moderate regulations on private sector. Just to give an example, we are not totally affected by recent recession mainly because of the regulations being imposed by RBI on commercial banks. Even Obama in US is trying to impose regulations on their banking system now to prevent future recessions. In any country economy is just one of the major aspects to be administered. And to have a boosting economic growth I agree with you that there should not be major hurdles from govt side.

    But there are other aspects like security, research, education, health, law and order etc.

    If you place national security in the hands of Ambanis they would unhesitatingly sell that out for money. The role of Ambanis in the society is to add value to the goods and services and make profits. I could say with absolute certainity that Defence is not one of these services that require value addition from Ambanis.

    Ours is not a developed nation and most of the citizens are not insured for health. With utmost pain I should say that more than 70% of our fellow countrymen cannot afford to get treated in any of the private hospitals which are owned by industrial barons like Ambanis. These so called uplifters of our nation also know these facts. Even then would they compromise on the medical charges that they would levy ? Whether it is good or bad, common man is still going to the govt hospital for treatment.

    And the day when law and order is owned by a private company is the death day of the nation. Implementation of law and order needs should be impartial. And we cannot expect impartiality from a pvt ltd company.

    Finally, when our nation is under attack it is the men of govt.(Army, NSG, IPS officers) who risked their lives for our safety but not Ambanis. Life is much precious than money.

    So these services should be placed in the hands of an agency which should be headed by those who are elected by the nation. And that agency is our govt. As we cannot expect the elected people to have in depth understanding of the day to day business we need dedicated taskforce which would carry out the policies of govt, give advices to govt while formulating policies and deliver the services to people. This taskforce required selfless citizens from the citizens of the nation. IAS/IPS officers are those citizens who formulate policies for better delivery of these services. So theoritically, IAS/IPS are very essential services that we need. If few people are corrupt there then we should make sure they are caught and punished. And the punishment should be so severe that any officer should be afraid to accept bribes. But complete elimination of the service is not the solution for this.

    In any society absolute liberty is not possible and even it is harmful to the society itself.

32. Unpretentious Diva Says:

    February 4th, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Narendra, Obama is moron. He is ruining US, we are taking of improving India.

    US is honest enough to state that it is in recession when it is in recession, although US is not honest enough to state that it is in recession because of government reguations and bubble creations that burst.

    India or China are much more dishonest because they are regulated.

    India is suffering hyper inflation because of RBI the government regulatory tool. India is suffering much more unemployment rate than US, no matters US is in recession. Its Indians who suffer manutrition, no matters India is not suffering recession.

    China is much more regulated than India, Chinese are suffering more.

    Biggest bubble in history’s growing every day http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/Biggest-bubble-in-historys-growing-every-day/articleshow/5536524.cms

    Socialism is rape, mixed regulated economy is legalizing rape. Free economy is respect.

    Abolish IAS Abolish RBI,

33. Unpretentious Diva Says:

    February 4th, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Narendra, Obama is moron. He is ruining US, we are taking of improving India.

    US is honest enough to state that it is in recession when it is in recession, although US is not honest enough to state that it is in recession because of government reguations and bubble creations that burst.

    India or China are much more dishonest because they are regulated.

    India is suffering hyper inflation because of RBI the government regulatory tool. India is suffering much more unemployment rate than US, no matters US is in recession. Its Indians who suffer malnutrition, no matters India is not suffering recession.

    China is much more regulated than India, Chinese are suffering more.

    Biggest bubble in history’s growing every day http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international-business/Biggest-bubble-in-historys-growing-every-day/articleshow/5536524.cms

    Socialism is rape, mixed regulated economy is legalizing rape. Free economy is respect.

    Abolish IAS Abolish RBI.

    Also, problem for US is not recession, it is fiscal deficit, which was caused because goveernment regulations and subsidies/taxation.

    Here a US economic commenter suggests the ways to let US free of national debt

    Kill yiour favourite subsidy to win the deficit war:
     http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aBKBXFWxjVxY

    He openly says reduce government, reduce regulations.

    India is aslo suffering extreme fiscal deficits and national debts, when will India start deregulation?

34. Narendra Says:

    February 5th, 2010 at 8:55 am

    India is suffering from high inflation not because of RBI but because of ever growing demand for goods. That is because of continous increase in our population and supplies to meet the requirements are not adequate. RBI is controlling inflation by increasing CRR etc because it can do very little to increase the supply of goods.

    I too support free economy. And as we know our country has already moved to the regime of free market. Govt is also encouraging setup of new industries thru SEZs etc. Now a days we see there is a healthy competition among various states and cities to attract new investments. Public sector dominance is still there in some sectors like energy etc. But govt is seriously considering disinvestment from these companies. Recent example is disinvestment from NTPC.

    If we abolish RBI, who would control the availability of currency in the market ? Who would provide loans to the aspiring entrepreneurs ? Who would be the custodians of foreign exchange that we earn through exports ? We all still remember those days of early 1990s when we had to sell off our gold bcos of lack of forex reserves to make payments to our imports .
    If there is huge amount of currency than required then value of rupee would fall causing inflation. If there is less currency in the market than required then it would appreciate the value of rupee causing troubles to exporters of our country. Who would maintain that balance of availability of money ?
    So giving a loose statement like “abolish RBI..” wouldn’t serve better for us.

    Before abolishing any establishment, we need to understand the objectives of that est. and see if it is not at all serving the purpose. If there are any deficiencies, we need to find out how to correct them.

    Ours is still a young nation facing lots of difficulties. Still the fruits of our economic growth has not percolated to the bottom of our society. More than 30% of our people are illiterate and unskilled. And these 30% are leading life below poverty line. Free market couldn’t afford to provide employment opportunities to these semi skilled, unskilled people. Only the fittest can survive in free market. Just because of lack of skill we cannot allow our fellow country men to starve. Instead we need to provide opportunities to these deprived to acquire skills. Until then govt. should launch programs to support these sections of people. To implement these programs we need men and money. Money would come to govt through various taxes etc. But how could it get dedicated men for this task ? It cannot offload this task to any private company. This is where we need different services like IAS etc. Today several govt programs were being implemented succesfully like NREGA etc.

    So free market and govt. can coexist and complement each other. We need both of these and we cannot afford to lose any of the two. Earlier govt. used to participate directly in the industrial sector by establishing many heavy industries esp during second five year plan(1956-61). This is purely because of the circumstances. To establish heavy industries like Steel production etc, we need huge machinery, capable and skilled people which very few people like Tatas could manage to do that. But govt. cannot expect good number of Tatas to come up at that point of time because of the prevailing conditions like low forex reserves, heavy poverty, low literacy rates. So it established industries with the partnership of foreign nationals and gave a push to industry. Once it has taken off properly and could sustain on itself, it is slowly withdrawing from it. So I don’t see any wrong in it.

    So while we outline the major drawbacks in our system, which is very good, we should be able to suggest an alternative or solution to the issue. The best way is that some of us, who would really love to see India free of poverty, illiteracy, unemployment and to make India a land of opportunities, enter into IAS, IPS and Politics. By doing this we can atleast stop corrupt people to ride our nation. We know that we have problems with lot of things. But we cannot afford to sit here and keep on being cynical about the things which are affecting us all around. Because one action towards solving a problem is better that thousand criticisms about the problem. We are young and have lot of energy to identify and solve the issues. Why should we be so pessimistic about the future of our country ? I am one of those citizens who would really love to see my country flourishing in the arena of world. So I am preparing for Civil Services. I do not know the name of the IAS aspirant who started this thread but I would like to wish him success in all his efforts.

35. Unpretentious Diva Says:

    February 5th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    not because of RBI but because of ever growing demand for goods.

    It would be better that you open up your closed eyes and mind. Inflation is direct result of money printed by RBI under government orders. What do you call inflation in hindi? I call it Mudra Sfeeti, Increase in amount of currency issued by RBI.

    Its ok, you are not the one who will understand anything reasonable. Keep serving the creed of IAS robbers.

36. Narendra Says:

    February 6th, 2010 at 12:50 am

    Diva, did you ever think why RBI is printing currency ? It has to print money for three reasons.
    1)Against govt. securities
    2)Against Demand deposits
    3)Against Foreign Exchange
    To stimulate economic growth in our country there is a need for lot of capital investment. Lack of Capital is one of major reasons for unemployment in India. So govt put up its securities with RBI and makes it to print Money for it so that it could be used as govt. expenditure. We often see expenditure exceeds revenue in our budgets. From where would that excess money come ? RBI gives against govt. securities. So it is not the fault of RBI. For the excess money entered into the market there should be equivalent excess supply produced. If there is a mismatch b/w these two obviously inflation gets pushed up. So to reduce inflation, RBI pulls back some money back from market. It has done it recently by increasing CRR by 75bp.

    There is a trade off b/w inflation and economic growth. If you try to control one, other gets affected.

    If you dont understand the basics, it is my waste of time to have an argument with you. Nobody rewards you for using such obscene words against what you dont like. My intention is not to convince you but urging you to have a balanced mind and judgement while putting up your opinion. Because you are one of the guys who think for the good of our country and expressing concern about the misuse of power etc.

37. Unpretentious Diva Says:

    February 6th, 2010 at 4:55 am

    Narendra, go and seek a hole to put your worthless rod in that and jerk it out! I guess you will fail in doing that too.

    you even do not know what is inflation and you are taking of why shoud there be inflation?

    And do you ever reaize that you are talking to ECONOMISTS?

    Get some basic knowledge first dear ignorant.

    1)Reason of Price rise and Consequence of Price control — http://www.reasonforliberty.com/anarcho-capitalism/reason-of-price-rise-and-consequences-of-price-control.html

    Remember that price rise is not inflation, it is direct result of inflation.

    2)Fiat Money Versus Gold Standard-Privatization of Currency — 
    http://www.reasonforliberty.com/current-affairs/fiat-money-versus-gold-standard-privatization-of-currency.html
    This will teach you how to save India from legaized robbers that is Poiticians and IAS.
    3)The Story of Money- What causes Inflation — 
    http://www.reasonforliberty.com/current-affairs/the-story-of-money-what-causes-inflation.html
    That will tell you what is money and what is inflation, why there is Infation and why it is UNNECESSARY.
    4)The Price of Rice — What caused it go so High — 
     http://www.reasonforliberty.com/newgeneration/the-price-of-rice-what-caused-it-to-go-so-high.html

    That will tell you why there is price rise.

    First get some basics otherwise just don’t lurk around here. It doesn’t seems fitting for one to remain that much ignorant that he won’t even know what is he talking about.

38. james Says:

    March 7th, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    ******* answer…..you suck…

39. neha sharma Says:

    March 12th, 2010 at 8:14 am

    i will be an honest offocer by reading the upwards comments . i will serve the country. its my dream to become an ias officer. thanks to all u for writing such good messages

40. neha sharma Says:

    March 12th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    people always see the salary and the post instead of the work of the person. AN IAS OFFICER MEANS AN COUNTRY WORKER OF ADMINSTRATION . I SALUTE ALL THE IAS OFFICERS AND LATER I SEE MY NAME ALSO ABOVE IN THE LIST OF IAS OFFICERS. I THINK THE POLITICIANS SHOULD WORK UNDER THE IAS OFFICERS AS THE POLITICS WORLD IS THAT WHAT THEY SAY CANT DO BUT WHAT IAS OFFUCERS DO FOR IT ITS VERY FOR THE WELFARE OF THE COUNTRY. AND I FEEL IAS IS THE PERFECT JOB FOR THE WELBEING AND UPLIFTMENT OF OUR COUNTRY. ITS PLEASURE TO SEE THIS GOOD THOUGHTS OF THE PEOPLE BY READING THE ABOVE MESSAGES. I LOVE ALL THE IAS OFFICERS AND ALL THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN GOO COMMENT ABOVE. THANK YOU ALL

41. IIMA Says:

    March 24th, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Hi,

    I have seen a lot of articles on the net praising IAS officers and how intelligent they are. There a few myths that I would like to expose in those stories:

    Myth 1) IAS is the most difficult exam since more applicant appear for it and fewer successful candidates.

    I feel today mostly people who are not successful earlier on in their career or can afford to site idle at home are the ones who are more successful in IAS. Hence majority of the candidates are the leftouts, so competing amongst them is easier than competing in an entrance exam where the general level of intellect is higher.

    2) Some of my IAS friends will say no look IIT/IIM graduates also appear for IAS.
    Yes but generally IIT/IIM candidates do better than ordinary candidates. Many toppers have been from these institutes.

    3) If you are successful earlier on in IIT/IIM and earn a high salary there is no need to go for IAS. Money has a lot of power and can bring whatever you want along with it.

    4) Mostly all the IAS aspirants will tell you they want to serve the country etc, it is plain and simple nonsense. They are simply there to earn money and misuse power.

    5) Would you as an honorable person be willing to join a profession that is based on the foundation of corruption?

    6) The other reason to join IAS is we will be framing policies and work profile is very challenging.

    This is a plain and simple lie. Havent we read of IAS officers being marked present on job but staying in the US? The country can run very well without the IAS officers, but instead if we have people who are not intelligent but dedicated.

    7) An IAS officer framing policies for the power sector without any experience in the power sector. An IAS officer looking after a public venture fund to promote an industry without any knowledge of finance.

    This service is meant to be disastrous. When they dont have the technical knowledge or skills to perform the jobs, the only thing they would do is ask money. Would you guys look to join a top PE firm or consulting company or a public fund?

42. S.M.Faizan Ilahi Says:

    April 5th, 2010 at 7:39 am

    Hi,
    I am really feeling very hppy after reading
    these comments and Insha allah i will be a
    honest ias officer.

43. RSS Says:

    April 6th, 2010 at 6:01 am

    You will not be an honest IAS officer you will become a terrorist IAS officer. Muslims should be banned from such important positions.

44. Vishaka Says:

    April 7th, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    I want to know more about what is required qualification and criteria to become an I.A.S Officer .

45. Divyank Says:

    April 9th, 2010 at 7:36 am

    i think IAS officers are the most dynamic people in the country as they pass the world’s most competitive exam as per wikipedia….and moreover they are the ones who direct the ministers in the state assemblies and union ministery…even our PM is guided by 10 IAS officers who work in the PMO.

46. Crusader Says:

    April 12th, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Well said Divyank,Neha & other good samaritans above.Initially I was also misled by the answer of this fictious Renegade division but later I had done some retrospection of these services & some introspection of myself.I came to a dynamic conclusion that all the civil servants are the “STEEL PILLARS OF THE NATION”. Upon them is embodied the responsibility of safeguarding the constitution,human-rights,democratic values etc etc etc..

    There are corrupted officials in each & every field.But based on that we shouldn’t judge the entire auspicious services itself.A good policy written with values & common sense keeping in mind all the loopholes will serve a nation for a 1000 years.Recent example is the ‘Right to Information Act’ brought with the help of sacred institutions like LOKSATTA & MKSS. Hatsoff to the people’s endeavour in bringing it out.

    Likewise a single good,honest official brings light to the lives of many.Remember “A SINGLE PERSON WITH CONVICTION IS A MAJORITY”.

    Lastly note it down Renegade: — ‘The roots of your thinking itself are with great flaw.You are supposed to realise & you WILL realise.’
    Try to lend a brick in the building of a nation,never try for its destruction.

    It is man & man alone who creates history.Despite many crests&troughs,people will finally emerge victorious & go in freedom in a classless society free from exploitation of all forms.

    Cheers,
     CRUSADER

47. Unpretentious Diva Says:

    April 12th, 2010 at 9:58 am

    @ crusader
    Renegade division is not fictitious, its you who is fictitious and misled along with Divyank, Neha and some other chihuahuas.

48. Ex IAS Says:

    April 13th, 2010 at 6:00 am

    Just by saying “we are corrupt but since I believe others too are corrupt, my corruption is justified” is an illogical way to put justify your position. How many CEOs in professional firms are caught sleeping over 3 Crores of money in the bed? Yes people outside too might be corrupt but the % of corrupt ias officer will be atleast 10 time the corruption of people working in professional service firms. Without corruption anyway who would give a hoot for 25,000 job and giving salam to illiterate ministers for postings?

49. VJS Says:

    April 14th, 2010 at 3:12 am

    ALL DIEHARD IAS FANS READ THIS AND REFUTE THIS IF YOU CAN WITH SOLID TRUE ARGUMENTS, WITHOUT EMOTIONAL RANTINGS, WITHOUT HAPHAZARD CORPORATE BASHING AND OTHER ILLOGICAL SOPHISTRIES….
    GOOD BUSINESSMAN — -BAD BUSINESSMAN
    1)people if a business man is good he would cause betterment of:
    a)himself and his family
    b)his employees- by creating jobs
    c)area around him- by producing goods and services
    d)poor- by doing charity or other constructive work
    2)and if a business man is bad he would cause betterment of
    a,b,c (same as above)
    d)even if he omits ‘d’ from above he is not causing any harm, why are IAS fans against the poor guy if he is making some money,
    e)the only harm he does is some crime like adulteration or tax evasion BUT LET ME REMIND IAS FANS…that these crimes are possible only because IAS,IRS,IPS dont do their duty, they joined it not because of any concern for service of indians..they jus want a red light and lots of money without hardwork….
    NOW IAS FANS can argue that there can be GOOD IAS TOO…but let me tell you what…THE MAJORITY OF DIRTY IAS FRATERNITY would stop these good people (we have many examples)
    CONCLUSION- GOOD businessmen do LOTS OF GOOD and BAD businessmen do a LITTLE LESS GOOD (BUT THEY DO GOOD)
    NOW Lets study the second case:
    GOOD IAS — -BAD IAS
    1)IAS has no job being good or bad he has come there by his own choice..he swears that he would serve the country but all he does is a blatant rape of the country…
    He is bound by duty to serve the people…thats why he is given a red light as a symbol of esteem above common man…he is supposed to lead the people…serve them…
    politicians are filthy idiots…IAS should boycott their nefarious designs they have been given such powers but they chose not to….these intelligent IAS concoct sophisticated schemes to assist politicians to denude mother india and get a paltry tip in return…
    THEY WANT TO EQUAL THE WEALTH OF BUSINESSMEN but are not willing to grind themselves….so use cheap shortcuts..
    REMEMBER THIS IS NOT FOR HONEST IAS ppl…my father is an army officer too…BUT THE PROBLEM is the DIRTY FRATERNITY murders the honest whistleblowers, transfer them, abuse them and what not….the only problem is that these DIRTY IAS are in OVERWHELMING MAJORITY…
    remember politicians and IAS cant do anything without each other…even if 50% of one of the groups chose to stop corruption it would be achieved in no time…BUT THEY WONT….politicians want intelligent IAS to loot the common people and IAS want politicians to save them from law as IAS wants nothin but commit innumerable crimes…be it bribery, their children creating raucous,
    flaunting traffic rules, favoritism, assisting there businessmen friend to flaunt all rules and regulations
    CONCLUSION:
    BUSINESSMEN CAN BE GOOD OR BAD…in both ways he contributes
    the wrongs they commit are supposed to be checked by IAS, IPS…
    IAS and all have no option….they are supposed to be good…but they are criminals assisting more and bigger criminals…
    SOLUTION:
    country needs both…although MORE BUSINESSMEN and very few IAS IPS….
    the problem can be cured if new IAS ENTRANTS REALLY JOIN THE SERVICES TO SERVE….soon they will overcrowd the bad fish and exterminate them…but only if they want to ….and that is not a near case…almost all people i know take IAS coachings in delhi to have that RED LIGHT CAR….and beat the hell out of asses of common man…

50. VJS Says:

    April 14th, 2010 at 3:30 am

    AND to all IAS fans…..
    why do u need a policy by INTELLIGENT IAS to simply ****…
    is it so difficult to do it on your own…
    HAVE GOVERNMENT ONLY FOR MAINTAINING LAW AND ORDER AND PROVIDE SECURITY ND INFRASTRUCTURE.
    WE DONT NEED GOVERMENT TO TELL US HOW MANY BRICKS WE CAN BUY, WHEN WE CAN HAVE A TELEPHONE CONNECTION, IF A RESTAURANT IS GOOD OR BAD.

    even though IAS are not needed so much…but all these years we continue to have them and they HAVE FAILED IN EVRY SINGLE DUTY given to them…
    a solution failing for 60 years is no SOLUTION.

    CHANGE IS WHAT I NEED……

    TO IAS FANS….stay happy in THIRD WORLD…
    IM HPPY WITH A DREAM OF FIRST WORLD INDIA…
    i know u FANS are in majority and my dream wont come true easily….BUT IM STRONG…and many of my kind too are…

    ………..BUSINESSMEN can be good ord bad but in both cases they contribute to society…….
    In case a businessman is hurting our ecosystem it is GOVT’s duty to check, stop, curb the same but on the contrary GOVT creates a favorable habitat for such wrongdoers, but why this CONNIVANCE hurts more is that GOVT is pretty inactive in weeding out the pests but IS FULLY ACTIVE in impeding the good people be it IAS or BUSINESSMEN or SOCIALWORKERS from changing the system.
    IAS have no choice being good or bad, they are paid to work for the country’s good……..

    please name the IAS people who changed the country for better and made a positive difference….
    all majority instances i hear are negative
    BUT I CAN QUOTE THOUSAND ENTREPRENEURS that did do what is needed by this country…and fewer negative instances
    BUT all imbeciles wud say they dont distribute money to poor…
    people economics doesn’t work that way..i know you dont know about THE INVISIBLE HAND….but it means that economics doesn’t knock your door and give u presents..but just that with all the jobs they create …the goods they make…this pushes a society towards progress..but ur IAS ppl not satisfied with their loot would not let others do their duty…
    tell me how many PSU’s (headed by IAS) are profitable….only a few (without competition like RAILWAYS,ONGC etc) are and only those which have been listed and adopted CORPORATE MANNERISMS…
    agreed india needs good administration ut does these corrupt IAS IPS give us a good administration…NO they even thwart the attempts of some honest officers
    NOT TO MENTION…THEY WONT CATCH TRUE TAX EVADERS of whom they are lapdogs but would thwart any young entrepreneur who wants to do good but these officers u cherish wud PULL A 1000 rules out of their *** and stop them…i think you dont know INDIA LINGERS IN THE BOTTOM of the list titled “EASE OF DOING BUSINESS”…

51. Crusader Says:

    April 28th, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    The recent case of Madhuri Gupta spying for Pakistan because she was so frustrated with the IFS officers clearly indicates the lack of management skills or even basic skills of babus. The lower ranked government officers are the ones who are doing all the job, whilst the IAS and IFS officers do nothing, get better perks and also boss on lower ranked government officers. IAS is a burden on this country and should be removed as soon as possible

52. Arvind Says:

    May 21st, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    Hey u all hello,
    I know..no one is gonna read what stupid stuff i have written hear..bcoz u all have polluted the concept of IAS officer..yau mite have heard it many time ppl saying..but i wanna say it again..That at least stop blaming other for your mistake..Be bold to accept what u have done..Its no doubt tht after few ppl and corrupt govt.. official your all ppl writing negative thought about IAS officer are pulling the legs of people who wanna go up and stand..I know u all writing negative above, surely dont have capability of cracking IAS xam..n so u r polluting the thought..i dont wanna add more to this..bcoz its better not talk in front of stupud and foolish ppl…

53. d pankaj Says:

    May 22nd, 2010 at 2:43 am

    yes i truly agree with u , they are corrupted as i personally know a family , and the children ***/** too joined the civil servent job. a bad tree cant give good fruits.!!!

54. srishti chandra Says:

    May 25th, 2010 at 9:55 am

    i am in class 8th and i wants to be an ias officer i wants to be a part os indian administrative service.i wants to be an honest ias officer .i want to help all person.i want to treat all persons equally never mind he is of higher class or lower ,rich or poor

55. srishti chandra Says:

    May 25th, 2010 at 10:00 am

    its my dream to be an ias officer.i just dont wealth .and i think no one should be an ias officer just to get wealth .I WANT to be a succesful person in my life.

56. chiranth Says:

    May 28th, 2010 at 9:54 am

    everyone like to be in an higher post but most of them dont like to study in them iam also one it is not an easy job to pass an i.a.s. examination and if we pass also there will be more responsibility it gives lot of tensions one thing i want to say is think twice before doing no bp be happy always bindass

57. Shivappa Says:

    June 10th, 2010 at 11:21 am

    yes.. absolutely its right… all the IAS OFFICERS ARE NOT CORRUPT …
    AFTER ENTERING INTO AN IAS POSITION.. THE CORRUPTNESS WILL COME BEHIND…

    DO HONESTLY…… TRY TO MANAGE..

58. what_to_do Says:

    June 11th, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    wow..that’s a lot of view n counter-view…is the topic “down with IAS” or “Pro-entrepreneur” or a bit of both??

    @renegade vision…do u think entrepreneurs dont deal in under the table deals??how naive are you??Ambanis,Birlas they all cut deals with politicians affecting the policies law in their own interest.(cant say about TATA).The very mineral wealth and natural resource of the country they mine,trade without a care for the natives.(KG basin for an instance)but yeah they do create wealth..and a part of their wealth is passed down to ministers..then to IAS officers..and so on.

    But they do a mighty good thing for the society too.They create jobs for people.Thats the best thing.But these are the very people who corrupt the beaurocracy.This can go to and fro so lets stop at that.

    Yeah i a have seen babus with soul as dark as night extracting money from ignorant illiterate poor ragged people.Just go into your Nagar Nigam Office,House tax,RTO offices and see for yourself.

    I know of instances in very good private companies where you need to be the boss’s pet if u want to be promoted talented or otherwise.

    There are plenty of decent IAS officers too we just dont hear of them.The RTI act was outcome of one such IRS officer’s efforts.(yeah he resigned in later).

    I think it all boils down to this.What kind of a person u are.Whereever you are you will always easy unethical shortcuts for you.Its upto you.People who prepare for IAS are generally from lower middle class backgrounds who are trying to improve their position in society.They havent seen that much money n power ever before.How they do their duties once they become an IAS officer is a matter of their conscience.

    But please dont paint every IAS officer with same brush nor think all entrepreneurs are saints.

59. Crusader Says:

    June 18th, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    The logic all IAS officers are not corrupt hence IAS officers are a good lot is devoid of common sense. The logic that most IAS officers are corrupt hence IAS officers are a bad lot has much more common sense. The fact is that not the best talent of India goes into IAS, and if it does go I am sorry to say that India has such poor talent. The contribution of IAS to Indian civil society has been practically nil. No common Indian associates or looks to help from an IAS, because they know that most of them are corrupt.

60. sarmad - lets roll Says:

    July 3rd, 2010 at 12:57 am

    brothers and sisters…a lot has been written for and against many different professions.but lets not compare an apple and a mango.both have their own place.and well, many said of some profession being corrupt and the other being not…well let me emphasize that it’s not any profession that is wrong;its the people.now some may argue that when the system itself is corrupt ,you expect less good people in that profession..For that i can just reply that one day things will change.let i and others like me join that profession.

61. Amrinder Says:

    July 3rd, 2010 at 1:24 pm

    Will writing this stop someone for becoming an IAS or an entrepreneur. I dont think so. Those who want to become….will be far far away from this conversation.. Ask the one who is already an IAS officer. To make our nation, to make it stable we need to have deserving people to run this country and systems so we can become a developed nation.. government and economy works together. u cant compare it with entrepreneurship or become IAS. have peace :))

62. satya Says:

    July 11th, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Hey Guys,

    It’s really encouraging to see all the comments. I am now working in a very well reputed company in the US, but I just want to do something good for the country. I am going to leave my job and try for IAS 2011. And of course, money is not the reason I am going fot it. I hope I will be able to carry the current level of honesty and conviction with me if I get selected.

    Folks who have only bad words for IAS, no one denies that the system is in general corrupted. But if all of us keep saying that, how do you expect it to get better? It’s hard being an honest person in such an environment and very difficult to do something good. But it’s not impossible. It’s certainly doable, if you have the right kind of motivation and will power.

    @Renegade, your answer to the original yahoo question was chosen as the best answer, not because it was good. But because it was the only answer. Should you also have mentioned that?

63. Renegade Division Says:

    July 11th, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    @Satya
    Lay off the crack dude. There are 7 other answers, and asker chose it, gave it 5 rating and wrote ‘thxs’.

64. Sarfaraz Says:

    July 26th, 2010 at 6:31 pm

    Hi,Now I’m 20 only….But since ma childhood…I’m so much interested in IAS profile…When I was a school going boy,then ma elder bro was the member of CSR,in which there were so many things related to same,like IAS toppers,their profile,many things,Even I’m very crazy about movies which is related to Cops,spy or diplomatic services,So I want to be the same,I’m not interested in any or any field apart this,Because I want to work for the betterment of mankind,I want to do some cool thing for ma nation,I wanna make ma country as a superpower.
    Now Singapore has got the best civil servants in the world.Because they’re putting a lot of attention into developing an efficient civil service because unless the civil service runs properly,the govt. doesn’t have the instruments. We must make a policy which is sensible & implement the policy so that it works on the ground.that depends on having good civil servants,We must recruit good people,we must treat them well,fairly. This’s not just for the personal carriers but I say this because they’re doing good for the nation…..
    Really I mean…I want to the same….Even If its possible for me then I’ll claim to all that guys to be the same who’ve really willing to work for the nation,for an Indians…..
    Its really a nice stage,I learned so many good things from here…
    I wish all the very very best to all of you guys…hope We’ll do it…

65. love zain Says:

    July 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Hi,Now I’m 20 only….But since ma childhood…I’m so much interested in IAS profile…When I was a school going boy,then ma elder bro was the member of CSR,in which there were so many things related to same,like IAS toppers,their profile,many things,Even I’m very crazy about movies which is related to Cops,spy or diplomatic services,So I want to be the same,I’m not interested in any or any field apart this,Because I want to work for the betterment of mankind,I want to do some cool thing for ma nation,I wanna make ma country as a superpower.
    Now Singapore has got the best civil servants in the world.Because they’re putting a lot of attention into developing an efficient civil service because unless the civil service runs properly,the govt. doesn’t have the instruments. We must make a policy which is sensihttp://comluv.com/ble & implement the policy so that it works on the ground.that depends on having good civil servants,We must recruit good people,we must treat them well,fairly. This’s not just for the personal carriers but I say this because they’re doing good for the nation…..
    Really I mean…I want to the same….Even If its possible for me then I’ll claim to all that guys to be the same who’ve really willing to work for the nation,for an Indians…..
    Its really a nice stage,I learned so many good things from here…
    I wish all the very very best to all of you guys…hope We’ll do it…

66. Nayana Bachale Says:

    August 2nd, 2010 at 8:42 am

    pls tell me about IAS officer.

67. natar_blore Says:

    August 5th, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Renegade@ If one person accepts your decision as the best answer , that doesn`t mean you are absolutely right. If i was the person who posted the same question, i would not have rated 5 even in my worst dreams !!

    I have a great deal of respect for IAS officers. Most of them struggle through the exams to sincerely serve their nation. Thats the reason many aspirants from rural background and non-IITians / IIM grads suceed to become IAS officers. I am not offending the IITians OR IIMees . They are highly educated, But only few choose IAS as career.

    As a businessman , telecom sector can be improved by providing great services, contribute to govt through taxes. Yes, they do good. But dont you think only the urban ppl or the educated are the ones who benifit from these. WHAT ABouT THE PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE THE BASIC AMENITIES IN LIFE ??? Here is where the honest IAS officers come into picture.

    IAS post should be seen as platform to serve our people, to eradicate poverty, to lessen the gap between rich and poor, to lessen suicides of farmers, to create platform for education for all. NOT as a post to lead luxury life and command power. IAS is about poor NOT power..

68. srishti chandra Says:

    August 11th, 2010 at 6:41 am

    my parents wants me as an Ias officer & I too want to become an Ias officer …..I want to serve people.I AM JUST 13 N and m sure i”ll be an Ias officer..can u please tell me something about it

69. vattikuti nageswara rao Says:

    August 12th, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    ya………… actually i don’t know what u have told………….. anyway its not my comment but its my question………….. i have read everything mentioned above….. but just my question is i want to become a great officer to rule the society and to serve the people………

70. Ajinomoto Says:

    August 13th, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    Youre totally right. IAS is just an agglomeration of self interest. All this BS about serving the nation is nonsense. In the end, its just a route to subverting the resources of a poor nation into the hands of a few. An easy access to power without acocuntability. People blame politicians, but they can vote a politician out. Has anyone ever heard of a corrupt IAS officer getting the boot? Not me.

71. Crusader Says:

    August 13th, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    @Renegade & his followers:
    IAS is socialist.Our Constitution is socialist.So both very well tune with each other.All entrepreneurs are capitalists.By nature, capitalism is exploitative & Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism.In a country where more than 40% of the people live under 20rs/day, you shouldn’t say like such PILLARS OF THE NATION (civil servants) should be eradicated.If you still keep on saying that, that reminds all of us of your sheer ignorance.

    Remember there are 2 Indias — - One discussing all these & the other totally unconcerned of all these (so called)elite discussions.

    Unfortunately am a software engineer in an MNC.Dialy on waking up & before going to bed, I recall whether my day’s work was any how useful to the society??? Shamelessly NO.

    I work for an MNC to increase their turnovers in general & satisfy my material needs in particular.I see very intelligent persons in the company who are not at all useful to the society at all.Their knowledge is useful to increase their bank balances only.Remember a real scholar is only who has the ability to understand the evaluation of the society.Not the one who can work on WINDOWS internals or kernel level programming or chip design.

    An IAS officer knows the constitution of this nation but an entrepreneur doesn’t know that it exists at all.What a shame!!!

    Combining all these, we can surely conclude that an IAS is no doubt a steel pillar of this nation on whose shoulders the entire burden of this nation exist.

72. rohit Says:

    August 15th, 2010 at 10:54 am

    now ans this…what will you do if somepeople are throwing their waste inside your home……here are some options…..
    1> you will go inside your home and take out some money and will hire a sweeper and wait him to do the rest…

    2> you your self will get inside the the waste to clean it up…because thats ur home…

    i hope u know wats the point m trying to make.

    an ias has to work with in accordance with the the politicians you have chosen!!

    now..is there is ambani then there is also harshat mehta…if there is ajim premji then there is also….Ramalinga raju…i hope now you would not include his name with tatas and ambanis…
    same is the case if there is kalmadi or akhand pratap singh rathore..then there are also kiran bedis,navneet seekera,etc

    yoy ppl are sittin in ac rooms and making absurd statements….without knowing anything…i hope you know how to use google jusst search the job culture of district collecter and chief sectry….

    i think its gettin a kinda fashion now a days to abuse our officers ias,ips and politicians …and never thnk of y u r sittting safe in ur house and enjoying this freedom…..feel proud of your country its our home ..and if you thnk the system is corrupt try changing it

73. rohit Says:

    August 15th, 2010 at 10:58 am

    who are we to say anything bout ias or ambanis we r neither of two!!

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