GOOD BUSINESSMAN — -BAD BUSINESSMAN

1)people if a business man is good he would cause betterment of:
a)himself and his family
b)his employees- by creating jobs
c)area around him- by producing goods and services
d)poor- by doing charity or other constructive work

2)and if a business man is bad he would cause betterment of
a,b,c (same as above)
d)even if he omits ‘d’ from above he is not causing any harm, why are IAS fans against the poor guy if he is making some money,
e)the only harm he does is some crime like adulteration or tax evasion BUT LET ME REMIND IAS FANS…that these crimes are possible only because IAS,IRS,IPS dont do their duty, they joined it not because of any concern for service of indians..they jus want a red light and lots of money without hardwork….
NOW IAS FANS can argue that there can be GOOD IAS TOO…but let me tell you what…THE MAJORITY OF DIRTY IAS FRATERNITY would stop these good people (we have many examples)

CONCLUSION- GOOD businessmen do LOTS OF GOOD and BAD businessmen do a LITTLE LESS GOOD (BUT THEY DO GOOD)

NOW Lets study the second case:
GOOD IAS — -BAD IAS

1)IAS has no job being good or bad he has come there by his own choice..he swears that he would serve the country but all he does is a blatant rape of the country…
He is bound by duty to serve the people…thats why he is given a red light as a symbol of esteem above common man…he is supposed to lead the people…serve them…
politicians are filthy idiots…IAS should boycott their nefarious designs they have been given such powers but they chose not to….these intelligent IAS concoct sophisticated schemes to assist politicians to denude mother india and get a paltry tip in return…
THEY WANT TO EQUAL THE WEALTH OF BUSINESSMEN but are not willing to grind themselves….so use cheap shortcuts..

REMEMBER THIS IS NOT FOR HONEST IAS ppl…my father is an army officer too…BUT THE PROBLEM is the DIRTY FRATERNITY murders the honest whistleblowers, transfer them, abuse them and what not….the only problem is that these DIRTY IAS are in OVERWHELMING MAJORITY…

remember politicians and IAS cant do anything without each other…even if 50% of one of the groups chose to stop corruption it would be achieved in no time…BUT THEY WONT….politicians want intelligent IAS to loot the common people and IAS want politicians to save them from law as IAS wants nothin but commit innumerable crimes…be it bribery, their children creating raucous,
flaunting traffic rules, favoritism, assisting there businessmen friend to flaunt all rules and regulations

CONCLUSION:
BUSINESSMEN CAN BE GOOD OR BAD…in both ways he contributes
the wrongs they commit are supposed to be checked by IAS, IPS…

IAS and all have no option….they are supposed to be good…but they are criminals assisting more and bigger criminals…

SOLUTION:

country needs both…although MORE BUSINESSMEN and very few IAS IPS….
the problem can be cured if new IAS ENTRANTS REALLY JOIN THE SERVICES TO SERVE….soon they will overcrowd the bad fish and exterminate them…but only if they want to ….and that is not a near case…almost all people i know take IAS coachings in delhi to have that RED LIGHT CAR….and beat the hell out of asses of common man…

There is some error in some plugin IMO

we have a constitution given to us by our founders.thats not for fun.it is to protect the people from their representatives harmful deeds

Of course property rights can solve the environment issue. The countries with more pollution have weaker property rights. Take a look at world’s 10 most polluted cities :

Nope I don’t think so. It might allow you to sue and get damages for your health but such cases are quite rare considering time factor and financial constraints involved to keep them running for years until justice being done.
Again - “You can’t fix the probe on xyz firm saying effluent/emissions from your industry caused my laundry to become black.” - There is no tangible evidence to prove it. If you are saying “this is the only firm nearby to my house which caused it” then again question would be “why you are living in industrial zone? Of why PCB (pollution control board) granted permission to setup a plant in human locality?”
Also - it cud be possible that “person suing such business might have personal vendetta/ or just in mood of exploiting such private property laws ( i.e. if at all they being put in place as per your current proposal) by “making his/her laundry dirty using emission/smoke out of his own automobile” :)..Right?

My point is - Private property laws can help u to get what u want (sue the people/big bulls running industry around your area)
BUT not protect environment. You need to be responsible and cautious about societal obligation

Also, if u take a look at existing environment protection laws in any country - You will notice that - once you get clearance from pollution control board (PCB) after you submit required proofs /docs
Saying “My firm following all safety norms/precautionary measure to protect environment from excessive emissions” then it does not matter whether u keep your promise or not. (Here if u talk about - routine checking by PCB officials then just forget it coz such checks are cleared through bribery.)
Also, recent example where INDIA refused to obey US proposal (remember: Mrs. Clinton and our environment minister meeting?) intended to control pollution level coz it will put restrictions on Indian industrial/economic progress. — > Here my point is - No way u can enforce it, there are weak links!

If u talk about oceans being polluted by crude oil waste — > you can’t fix responsibility saying “xyz ship has done it they have to pay for it” ( coz u can’t prove!) there are always smart anyways to get away with it - just like ICC extended elbow extension limit to 15 degrees ( previously it was 10 degrees for fast bowlers, 7.5 degrees for medium pacers, and 5 degrees for spin bowlers) after noticing ninety-nine percent of all bowlers tested were found to flex their elbow to some degree, and often flexed it much greater than the limit set at the time. i.e. just to make sure - People don’t have to label everyone (all such bowlers) as chuckers like they did / some people still do to Murali. i.e. “It’s not chucking if u bend your arms in certain degrees” - I mean what a ****!

Just look at this, why is that a govt employee with a higher salary is corrupt but a private sector employee with a lower salary is not?

Nope I don’t agree here with you. You can’t just label every govt. official as corrupt regardless of his salary.
Corruption do exist in private sector too but in advanced form i.e. in the form of “abuse of power and favoritism” in most of the cases where decisions being taken / deals being signed-off to safeguard interest of certain Business units/individuals.( I hope you must have seen movie “Corporate” and “Gafla” ( best one on dark side of Share Market)).
So just privatization won’t help in eradication of corruption. But I agree there is more accountability in private sector than in public/govt. offices so it can help to reduce it. Again as usual my big “NO” to privatization of Defense sector. My arguments/reasons..I think u already know. Besides, you can’t rule out the possibility/risk of dictatorship if you hand over national defense to private player. (Defense /Health sectors should not be treated like usual service sectors. They are the most important sectors so all risk assessment should be done before making them privatized as per free/open market economy.
If you are interested please have a look at reasons: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Reasons_for_corruption they are pretty much same.
I really don’t understand - why Hatikvah/any other reader waste so much of time n energy in mocking :)
I mean - Its quite easy n quick to just point out weak link/ unexplored risks in your post and get author’s views on it :)..
But I guess some people have their own style of making a point :) and seek eXclusive (with big “X”) attention of writer..Anyways she made a point in the end “They don’t exist to run the defense of the country. The aim of every corporate is to make money, simple, not to defend this nation. I’m not even getting into the ruthlessness that afflicts virtually every private player in today’s world (that, they won’t blink twice before selling away the nation if it suited them).”
Which I guess irrefutable on the basis of economic laws :)

Coming back to the statement of contention, allow me to correct the presumption for none of those three points ever came to my mind. There’s a far simpler reason to not hand it over to the Corporates. They don’t exist to run the defense of the country. The aim of every corporate is to make money, simple, not to defend this nation. I’m not even getting into the ruthlessness that afflicts virtually every private player in today’s world (that, they won’t blink twice before selling away the nation if it suited them). The subject of defense of a nation cannot be elucidated upon by mere laws/fundamentals of economics or for that matter any other subject. It goes far beyond, and definitely farther than the comprehension of the people concerned herein. Its horses for courses. The private players contribute to the economy, the Govt. takes care of the nation’s defense. Let’s not mix it up (the last time, the “private players” had a hand in the “country’s defense” that nation was guilty of invading/ruining 78 other countries at various parts of the world in the name of “national security”, never mind that they were economically and politically the biggest force to reckon with);

You know, reviewing your response, I went back to my comments and nowhere did I find myself calling you a loon. In retrospect, I suppose, being a loon would be an improvement in your case…;-)

Just one of the many “howlarious” statements in this post. If ever the author wanted to parade his ignorance about the state-of-affairs of this country, he/she couldn’t have done better than the aforementioned comment

Yeah I apologize for the lack of knowledge and my ignorance about the state of affairs of India. I was born on Martian India(the India on Mars) where we never had any of these problems. Also because of the Mars’s atmospheric conditions my IQ is only 20(I am 1/5th intelligent for my age). So I cannot be as smart as you.

But the day you feel like making a logical coherent point rather than mocking me, my intelligence and my background, be my guest. I love some tough questions. I am defending an idea. I stand for Liberty, and I take proud in doing things for a reason. If you have a logical point(which I do not thing considering your comment), you will successfully manage to take me away from my current position.

But irrespective of anything I hardly think you have anything new to say to me. Your point is probably going to be about:
1) Terrorist and how without a national defense they will run over our country.
2) How China/Pakistan will enslave us without a national defense.
3) How we need a national defense to fight the insurgents in North East, the Naxals, the dacoits of Chambal basin etc etc.

I don’t mind an intellectual discussion but “mocking”?? Really?? One thing is clear I shook your belief system from inside so much that you settled everything down by calling me a loon.

Same goes with question no 9, I totally do not understand the question or your response to it. I will leave it here if just in case the original poster understands your question.

I don’t think property rights can cover environment issue. There is no way to claim ownership on environment..is there?

Of course property rights can solve the environment issue. The countries with more pollution have weaker property rights. Take a look at world’s 10 most polluted cities:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/0,28757,1661031,00.html
Its almost exclusively filled with countries with weak property rights. There is more public property at these places than private property.

About claiming the ownership on environment then you are getting it wrote by calling it “claiming ownership on environment” you don’t claim the ownership on environment you just claim the ownership on what your own property. The way anything can be claimed is by drawing a boundary around it. If you cannot draw a boundary around it, chances are you cannot claim it. For example you want to claim the unowned land you draw boundary around it(a fence).
If you want to own the part of an ocean you need to draw a fence around it. You want to farm the fish then find a way to mark the fence and preventing fish from going out. Until that happens we wouldn’t have ocean property rights.

Another thing is the ability to sue corporations for pollution. I don’t know what are the pollution laws in India but in America there was a time when an old lady would sue a factory because she put down clothes to dry and when she came back they were all black with smoke. The government of US in early 20th century passed a law preventing the corporation from being sued by a pollution law suit(individuals can sue for health damages but not for property damages). The solution is to allow the respective property owners to be able to sue the companies. There will be a CSI for pollution which will do the study and find out where is the polluting factory polluting your property. We don’t have a forensic pollution agency because there is no market for such a thing.

Take for example in the most polluted cities of China, if all the respective property owners sue the various factories for pollution they will be immediately shut down until they find a solution for the pollution.

Ppl often say - corruption is need driven ( i.e. low salaried income) rather than greed driven( I need more, excess of consumerism) but I guess there are ppl who are honest even though having low salaries.

People often say.. isn’t really an argument bro.

It doesn’t matter what people say. Just look at this, why is that a govt employee with a higher salary is corrupt but a private sector employee with a lower salary is not?

The reason is simple, you have created an artificial monopoly of govt sector wherever govt sector works. Govt will not go out of business if their employees are corrupt. The private sector company will go out of business if the employees are corrupt.

Take for example, if you are a govt employee who is corrupt down to your core, you change jobs and join Airtel. If you now do something corrupt you face two swords.
If you are caught being corrupt you will be fired. Your co-worker has no incentive to be corrupt with you, at least your boss has no incentive to be corrupt.
If you are NOT caught being corrupt you still are dragging the company down to bankruptcy. The people will start going to your non-corrupt competitor(which is the exact reason why your boss or his boss isn’t corrupt).

If you have the need and you are in private sector you might embezzle company funds, but that’s just a theft.
But when you are in public sector when you be corrupt, you are merely charging a higher service fee than what govt wants to charge to perform some legitimate customer services.

The private sector can actually utilize the greed to make more honest money(profits).
The public sector has no incentive to utilize the greed to make profits.

I used to have a Tata indicom’s telephone connection. And my dad wanted to get it disconnected. He went to the office and the guy refuse to cut it trying to convince my dad to keep it. The persuasion was so annoying that my dad started screaming on the top of his lungs. Meanwhile I called my dad, and he told me the problem, I suggested to offer him a Rs 50 note and stop bugging my dad for keeping the connection. He immediately moved ahead to proceed with the termination and refused the money.

The point is, he(Tata Indicom guy) makes profit and more money and more prosperity when he does honest business. He was bugging the **** out of my dad persuading him to keep the connection. He refused the money because he never took money from any customer for anything.

Similarly in defense sector if the people who were actually making profits by providing you defense(like your doctor makes profit by providing you with healthcare) then they will have all the incentives to be honest at their job and provide you with the most cheapest most efficient service.

But the problem is that day is very far away when we will not have a Indian army rather than only private defense forces. One thing Indian govt is very good at is to create this illusion of Nationality. Until then all I can suggest is to forget the issue of corruption in defense its a waste of time.

Take for example the commenter right after you “Hatikvah”, and the way she is mocking me.

Just one of the many “howlarious” statements in this post. If ever the author wanted to parade his ignorance about the state-of-affairs of this country, he/she couldn’t have done better than the aforementioned comment
(mind you, he/she comes mighty close on many occasions). One can only look heavenwards and breath a sigh of relief that atleast the upper echelons of this country doesn’t comprise of “intellectuals” like these…

6)Why is it that it is easier(cheaper) to get urea for a farmer if he grows cash crops than if he grows food grains?
Because the businessmen want to grow only cash crops-it runs their business.

The person who asked this question assumed that “Cash crops being used for the benefits of big bulls so in order to give encouragement to farmers, govt. have subsidized Urea procurement in cases where it was meant for “cash crops”. I totally understood wht the person is trying to imply here - which i might be true to some extent But I can refute this argument by saying “Urea supplies essential Nitrogen enrichment to cash crops which hardly being supplied by traditional home-made compost manure created out of trash,cowdung,etc by farmers so if I want to make farmers to buy the urea(which is obviously costlier than home-made compost manure) I have to subsidize it and make it easily available to them” — But if the person lacks flexible mind to understand other side of coin and already prejudiced with the notion that “such move is just another marketing gimmic by urea producers and big bulls who gets benefited by cash crops” then its very difficult to logically refute such biased arguments.

9)Why is that a PIL(Public Interest Litigation) in America after 9/11 had shown signs of funding by some Multi-National Companies in terrorist activities all over the globe?

Got it. :) But you can’t say, those who filed for PIL were all supported financially by MNC’s involved in Arm Trading. I mean I got wht you just trying to imply! i.e “post 9/11 so many ppl got arrested (majorirty of them being IRAQI or radical Islamists ) so obviously that impacted illegal arm deals and choked your business. So why not support all the causes which meant for rescuing these so called innocents ( read - terrorists) from FBI and CIA clutches…so there comes support for PIL’s against human rights violations/racial discrimination, etc and if at all such things are happening then also there is nothing you can do or prove without concrete evidences..right? :)

10)Why is that the most industrialized countries are harming the environment the highest! because the businessmen across the globe are not concerned about anything which means spending money and yet no profit from that.
Again, the solution is more property rights. Privatized every single piece of land on this earth and their respective property owners will take care of it. If my ocean is polluted by your factory, I will drag you to court and make you pay for damages. Currently nobody owns Yamuna river so look at it how bad it has become.

I don’t think property rights can cover environment issue. There is no way to claim ownership on environment..is there?
I agree geographical boundaries can demarket rules and regulations of land but I don’t understand how you can fix the probe and charge one xyz or group of xyz MNC’s as guilty of environmental pollution ? ..I think its responsibility of every single business unit to take care of approriate level harmful emissions ( again - i am not sure how they measure or decide on this level ..or is there anyway to detect / catch the culprit violating this level/norms).

If you really want the solution of corruption in defense sector I suggest privatization of defense sector.

Nope. I don’t think privatisation of defence sector would be answer to the problem of corruption. Ppl often say - corruption is need driven ( i.e. low salaried income) rather than greed driven( I need more, excess of consumerism) but I guess there are ppl who are honest even though having low salaries.
For me it all depends on your personal ethics and morale. Some ppl stand for it others just gave up under peer pressure.
So even though a sector owned by govt. or completely made open ( as per your proposal) greed-driven corruption continue to exist in the system. You can’t stop it. if you want to minimize it then enforce stringent rules n regulation and make sure ppl fear more of punishment than momentary gain which might derived out of it. Simultaneously, value-based education needs to be inculcated in young minds to have responsible citizens for future.

Anyways the point about Intellectual Property rights, then till the last debate the RFL team is split between Pro- and anti-IP positions. I am anti-IP, one other author on this site is pro-IP(its been over a year since she last wrote an article on IP so I don’t know if she changed her position since then or have I been able to convince her against IP rights).

About Rand supporting patents then she thinks the duty of the govt is to enforce property rights, since she consider IP rights as property rights, so she doesn’t think there is any problem in making the govt enforce IP rights.
I wrote an extensive analysis on the utilitarian viewpoint of patents(whether they really kill innovation or promote it):
Patents: Vertical and Horizontal Innovation
The pro-patents utilitarian defense of patents done on this site:
Patent laws : Beneficial or Bane
Natural Rights based position against IP rights:
Legal or Illegal: Copyright Violations
And its rebuttal:
Violation of Copyrights is illegal

6)Why is it that it is easier(cheaper) to get urea for a farmer if he grows cash crops than if he grows food grains? Because the businessmen want to grow only cash crops-it runs their business.

To be honest I have no idea what he means by cheaper to get Urea for cash crops than to grow grains. How does the end decide the price in the market. I have little knowledge in this regard. I invite readers to comment on this question.

7)Why is that Cipla Pharmaceuticals sells the medicines in Africa at Five times the actual price?

I don’t know the real reason why Cipla sells medicines in Africa for five times the actual price, it could be either:

1). The supply of medicines is five times less than the demand of the medicine.
2). The Cipla has the patent on that medicine so no new companies can jump in and provide the generic cheaper version.

Either way there is no reason for Cipla to provide medicines to Africa. I mean why isn’t Neerav giving away all his food to the poor kids living in slums? The reason is simple, if you gave away all your food to the poor kids living in slums then you yourself will die of hunger. Also after 1 month of supplying food to slums, there will be nobody left because the supplier has died. There is no point in saving one kid in slums by killing another one in suburbs. But on the other hand, if you have a full time job then you can supply food to poor people after feeding yourself and taking care of yourself, for a long time. Surely in the first case you will be providing more food to the poor people but for short time, but in second case you will be providing less food to them but for longer time.

Now imagine the third situation where you could earn a profit over providing food to poor people. You could use that profit to reinvest into the business and keep on expanding it, and soon you will be providing food to poor people all over the country, thereby solving the hunger problem. But the truth is you cannot earn a profit on poor people(otherwise someone would have been already doing that).

Cipla is a Pharmaceutical company and if it is supplying medicines to poor African at 5 times the production price then that means by doing so they are hoping to increase their own production by reinvesting the profits and supply even more medicines to the poor.

If the reason why the prices are 5 times is the patent issue then I am very anti-patent and anti-IP rights. I hope someday we will be able to get rid of IP rights and patents.

8)Why is that even after so much protest the Narmada dam was built which imbibed the houses of almost 16 million people? Because of the pressure from IMF and World Bank who invest the unused capital of United States into the Business of Debt creation.

I live in Narmada basin I completely disagree with the building of Narmada dam in the name of common good. My solution is simple, bring property rights on rivers and oceans and we would have solve all the problems.

Case for Private Ownership of Natural Resources I, and II

9)Why is that a PIL(Public Interest Litigation) in America after 9/11 had shown signs of funding by some Multi-National Companies in terrorist activities all over the globe?

No idea what he is talking about. We don’t talk about conspiracy theories here.

10)Why is that the most industrialized countries are harming the environment the highest! because the businessmen across the globe are not concerned about anything which means spending money and yet no profit from that.

Again, the solution is more property rights. Privatized every single piece of land on this earth and their respective property owners will take care of it. If my ocean is polluted by your factory, I will drag you to court and make you pay for damages. Currently nobody owns Yamuna river so look at it how bad it has become.

11) What are the vegetable vendors supposed to do after your Ambanis snatched away their only way to earn bread by opening the ‘Reliance Fresh’?

What did Horse Carriage owners did after Ford snatched away their only way of earning bread by introducing automobiles in the markets??