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In my earlier article about IAS(Indian Administrative Services) Officers[1] one of our reader made a comment[2] involving many questions which deserve some detailed reply. If you are a regular reader of this blog you will know the ridiculousness of these questions considering the number of times we have covered them. Yet I would like to dedicate this post to answer those questions. His questions edited for language and grammar.
Neerav Said:
You seem to be very strongly jaundiced against the government and India’s system of government controlled economy(finding it unethical to work for the government!!). So be it!
Me being a callow in the field of capitalistic economy or the open economy, can u please answer some of questions in order to enlighten me about “the only panacea to India’s problems-open market”? Please I insist!
It is called the ‘Free Market’, which means market operations without any interference from the government. That includes no regulations, no taxes, no subsidies, and no distortion of the market in any way or form.
1). Where were these business bazigars when over 100,000 farmers in India committed suicide in last one year?
(one cannot question IAS because they cannot decide whether to give a subsidy to farmers at all! they can only survey and ‘suggest’ how much to be given) and why did my philanthropic business friends exacerbated the wounds of these farmers by selling the agricultural products at such higher prices!
Even for dying these farmers had to use the pesticide the government is selling for free!
On the other hand there was a market crash on the Dalal street? The then finance minister had to jet to Mumbai to console the many businessmen who had just lost crores of ‘notional’ money. Since the fortune of a farmer has lesser zeroes, so their lives also became less important!
First of all I would want to point out that the reader has completely misunderstood my post about the uselessness of IAS officers. The reader thinks that IAS Officers are these Angels descended from heaven and they have been taught by the other Angels as their teachers in the IAS academy. These Indian Angel Services Officers perform social services, create hospitals for poor from their money, distribute clothes among poor people, and give anti-depression medicines to poor farmers to prevent them from committing suicide. Then the reader compares their benevolence with the lack of benevolence of businessmen in India. Even if the reader does know what IAS officers do he is comparing what IAS officers do not do with what the business man should have been doing according to him.
If 100,000 farmers died in India last year, how is it responsibility of the businessmen. What were the IAS officers doing? If its anybody’s responsibility other than the farmers themselves then its the responsibility of the IAS officers as they are the part of the government. Why didn’t the IAS officers spend millions of their Rupees to save these farmers? Clearly the reader expects the ‘business bazigars’ to spend that money from their pocket.
Anyways the reason why I did not really bother to answer the question is because of the questions being heavily loaded with rhetoric. What we need is private property rights on agricultural land. Farmers cannot easily sell their land to someone who could be better in producing wheat over a land of 10,000 acres. Just like we do not have a million cell phone companies in market, somehow we believe a million farms to produce food for so many people. All these rhetorics are raised by P Sainath and we have already responded to P Sainath here.
2) Wasn’t it the profit motive that actually RUNS the open economy was also the reason behind the cases like Bofors case or the cheap spare parts of MIG case(which killed many of our soldiers who unlike u and me go to war & try to keep us safe by working with the government)? If politicians were caught during the Tehelka case-who bribed them. THE OWNERS OF THE OPEN ECONOMY’!
Profit motive runs the free market. Government is not Free Market. Government tries to do things which are anti-free market like taking the monopoly on justice and defense system. When government has a monopoly over something, like providing defense to a large land mass like India, they will have the power to choose any private entrepreneur for supplying them with commodities, then the corruption is bound to happen. It is not the fault of the Bofors gun manufacturers that your politicians are corrupt. They are corrupt because you gave them all the power of monopoly. The Bofors salesman is still doing his honest job when he offers the politician a bribe.
If you really want the solution of corruption in defense sector I suggest privatization of defense sector.
3) Somebody blamed the IAS for the license raj. I agree with that person completely. But who is responsible for the Mafia raj?
let me answer this one!- it’s those business barons who want to control your open economy.
The government is responsible for Mafia Raj. IAS officers do not make decisions I understand that, but they are the enforcement arm of the Indian Government. His answer is clearly wrong because he doesn’t understand why Mafia exists. Mafia exists because there is a profit opportunity in the economy which was created by the government by banning the good people from making use of that profit opportunity.
Currently the good people of Reliance, Airtel and Tata are providing people with cell phone services, but if tomorrow the government bans cell phones from India, then that will give birth to a Mafia Raj in telecom industry. Since police with their weapons is chasing peaceful people who perform their business with peace, only the evil people with guns who could retaliate the police are left. Suddenly Chota Rajan will find it quite profitable to run the telecom companies, since people want telecom services, they will be willing to pay high amount of money to him, and these increased profits will allow the mafia people to bribe the politicians to safeguard them. The reason why we had Veerappan because the Sandlewood forest weren’t owned by any individual. Since police hunted down any individual who tried to do business in sandlewood, only the evil man with the gun was left to do the same. I hate to suggest you more articles but I spent a lot of time researching this one.
Prohibition Always kills more people than non-prohibition
4)What is wrong with United Nations that its surveys are saying that in the developed countries (i mean open economies like US and UK), the barrier is constantly increasing between the rich and the poor,that is, the rich (owners of the open economy) become richer and the poor become poorer.
Its a very misrepresented fact. Let me ask the reader this, if in one country almost everyone has a salary of Rs 1,000 per month and in another country 90% of the people have a salary of Rs 50,000 per month and 10% have a salary of Rs 10,00,000 per month, in which country people are better off? In the first country almost everybody has the same salary, there is no major difference between the rich and the poor, where as in the second country the rich is 20 times richer than the poor individual.
The truth is that the difference between the rich and the poor is as useless fact as the fact that in your school the class topper has 50 times more marks than the class loser. If in a class everybody got marks between 50-60%, is this classroom better than a class where the range is 5–95%? The fact is that some people work harder, and better than others. In the Capitalist economics the better workers keep on climbing up to managing more and more resources(unlike in an IAS exam where the more butts you kiss the more you progress), and they become more and more rich.
Take for example in America Warren Buffett manages billions of dollars worth of resources, there is no way an IAS exam could rightly identify his talent. There is no IAS officer who could do his job better than him. When you look at Warren Buffet you just see an investor, what we see is what he really is, he is a Capitalist planner who plans resources from his own money. He plans resources, his companies order glasses from one country, water from another country, mixes them and sells carbonated drinks all over the world.
If the reader want to be like Warren Buffet instead of some bureaucrat and if you really want to save some lives from those poor farmers who committed suicide then try to get into commodity futures. Help Poor farmers, speculate on grain Futures.
5) What is the motive behind the kidney scams and our poachers? isn’t it just profit?
Again, all the problems the reader is blaming on the profit motive are actually problems created by the government. The government has banned a market in organs. So only the evil people are left to serve such a huge demand. They serve it by performing these illegal activities. If he wants the kidney robberies to stop then allow free trading of human organs. Those who want to buy the organs will then legitimately buy it from the person who willingly want to sell it. Please read the Prohibition article I posted[3].
He is blaming the profit motive as if it is something really evil. Remember something if we do not have profit we will not be able to survive. This is the exact reason why none of the socialist countries seem to be diong any good. This is the reason why Soviet Union had such a massive scarcity of every commodity. Why don’t we all eat in gold utensils? Because the economic calculation tells us that Gold could be better used somewhere else than to a less economical(or profitable) use such as having dinner.
Footnotes:- Wanna be IAS Officers, read this, http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/wannabe-ias-officers-read-this.html [↩]
- Comment made by Neerav [↩]
- Prohibition Always kills more people than non-prohibition [↩]
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renegade_division Says:
August 31st, 2009 at 7:51 amReplying to the rest of the questions here:
To be honest I have no idea what he means by cheaper to get Urea for cash crops than to grow grains. How does the end decide the price in the market. I have little knowledge in this regard. I invite readers to comment on this question.
I don’t know the real reason why Cipla sells medicines in Africa for five times the actual price, it could be either:
1). The supply of medicines is five times less than the demand of the medicine.
2). The Cipla has the patent on that medicine so no new companies can jump in and provide the generic cheaper version.
Either way there is no reason for Cipla to provide medicines to Africa. I mean why isn’t Neerav giving away all his food to the poor kids living in slums? The reason is simple, if you gave away all your food to the poor kids living in slums then you yourself will die of hunger. Also after 1 month of supplying food to slums, there will be nobody left because the supplier has died. There is no point in saving one kid in slums by killing another one in suburbs. But on the other hand, if you have a full time job then you can supply food to poor people after feeding yourself and taking care of yourself, for a long time. Surely in the first case you will be providing more food to the poor people but for short time, but in second case you will be providing less food to them but for longer time.
Now imagine the third situation where you could earn a profit over providing food to poor people. You could use that profit to reinvest into the business and keep on expanding it, and soon you will be providing food to poor people all over the country, thereby solving the hunger problem. But the truth is you cannot earn a profit on poor people(otherwise someone would have been already doing that).
Cipla is a Pharmaceutical company and if it is supplying medicines to poor African at 5 times the production price then that means by doing so they are hoping to increase their own production by reinvesting the profits and supply even more medicines to the poor.
If the reason why the prices are 5 times is the patent issue then I am very anti-patent and anti-IP rights. I hope someday we will be able to get rid of IP rights and patents.
I live in Narmada basin I completely disagree with the building of Narmada dam in the name of common good. My solution is simple, bring property rights on rivers and oceans and we would have solve all the problems.
Case for Private Ownership of Natural Resources I, and II
No idea what he is talking about. We don’t talk about conspiracy theories here.
Again, the solution is more property rights. Privatized every single piece of land on this earth and their respective property owners will take care of it. If my ocean is polluted by your factory, I will drag you to court and make you pay for damages. Currently nobody owns Yamuna river so look at it how bad it has become.
What did Horse Carriage owners did after Ford snatched away their only way of earning bread by introducing automobiles in the markets??
Pravin Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 12:01 pmThis comment is not directly relevant to the brainwashed IAS aspirant,but I had a question for the ayn rand fans here: what is your stance on intellectual property rights?.
for a free market supporter,she had no qualms in using state power to enforce patents etc,as far as i know. i find it silly to consider IPR as any sort of property rights.
renegade_division Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 1:34 pmI for one am not an Ayn Rand Fan. I believe in strict stress on differentiation between Objectivism(with a big O) and objectivism. objectivism is the metaphysical belief that reality is independent of mind. Objectivism on the other hand is more of a Ayn Rand’s interpretation of reality. If you are an objectivist, you don’t really believe in everything Rand says, you believe Rand being a human can herself have incorrect observations. If you are an Objectivist then you believe that what Rand says IS objective reality because she cannot be wrong and that’s an objective truth.
I want to make it sure that if you think you are an objectivist(with a small o, because apparently no true Objectivist will admit that they are Objectivist they all wanna fall into the category of objectivist) and somehow all your viewpoints align with Rand’s position there is a huge chance that you might be an Objectivist. I am not saying you are definitely an Objectivist but chances are really high. If you contradict with Rand over some issue and claim to be an objectivist then yes you are an objectivist. Even if you believe in say Socialism, (you may be wrong about objective reality, but the fact that you want to believe in the objective reality makes you an objectivist), and you have an objective reason to be a Socialist then you are an objectivist.
Objectivism is not about Knowing the truth but wanting to know the truth.
Anyways the point about Intellectual Property rights, then till the last debate the RFL team is split between Pro- and anti-IP positions. I am anti-IP, one other author on this site is pro-IP(its been over a year since she last wrote an article on IP so I don’t know if she changed her position since then or have I been able to convince her against IP rights).
About Rand supporting patents then she thinks the duty of the govt is to enforce property rights, since she consider IP rights as property rights, so she doesn’t think there is any problem in making the govt enforce IP rights.
I wrote an extensive analysis on the utilitarian viewpoint of patents(whether they really kill innovation or promote it):
Patents: Vertical and Horizontal Innovation
The pro-patents utilitarian defense of patents done on this site:
Patent laws : Beneficial or Bane
Natural Rights based position against IP rights:
Legal or Illegal: Copyright Violations
And its rebuttal:
Violation of Copyrights is illegal
GP Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 2:33 pmThe person who asked this question assumed that “Cash crops being used for the benefits of big bulls so in order to give encouragement to farmers, govt. have subsidized Urea procurement in cases where it was meant for “cash crops”. I totally understood wht the person is trying to imply here - which i might be true to some extent But I can refute this argument by saying “Urea supplies essential Nitrogen enrichment to cash crops which hardly being supplied by traditional home-made compost manure created out of trash,cowdung,etc by farmers so if I want to make farmers to buy the urea(which is obviously costlier than home-made compost manure) I have to subsidize it and make it easily available to them” — But if the person lacks flexible mind to understand other side of coin and already prejudiced with the notion that “such move is just another marketing gimmic by urea producers and big bulls who gets benefited by cash crops” then its very difficult to logically refute such biased arguments.
Got it. :) But you can’t say, those who filed for PIL were all supported financially by MNC’s involved in Arm Trading. I mean I got wht you just trying to imply! i.e “post 9/11 so many ppl got arrested (majorirty of them being IRAQI or radical Islamists ) so obviously that impacted illegal arm deals and choked your business. So why not support all the causes which meant for rescuing these so called innocents ( read - terrorists) from FBI and CIA clutches…so there comes support for PIL’s against human rights violations/racial discrimination, etc and if at all such things are happening then also there is nothing you can do or prove without concrete evidences..right? :)
I don’t think property rights can cover environment issue. There is no way to claim ownership on environment..is there?
I agree geographical boundaries can demarket rules and regulations of land but I don’t understand how you can fix the probe and charge one xyz or group of xyz MNC’s as guilty of environmental pollution ? ..I think its responsibility of every single business unit to take care of approriate level harmful emissions ( again - i am not sure how they measure or decide on this level ..or is there anyway to detect / catch the culprit violating this level/norms).
Nope. I don’t think privatisation of defence sector would be answer to the problem of corruption. Ppl often say - corruption is need driven ( i.e. low salaried income) rather than greed driven( I need more, excess of consumerism) but I guess there are ppl who are honest even though having low salaries.
For me it all depends on your personal ethics and morale. Some ppl stand for it others just gave up under peer pressure.
So even though a sector owned by govt. or completely made open ( as per your proposal) greed-driven corruption continue to exist in the system. You can’t stop it. if you want to minimize it then enforce stringent rules n regulation and make sure ppl fear more of punishment than momentary gain which might derived out of it. Simultaneously, value-based education needs to be inculcated in young minds to have responsible citizens for future.
Hatikvah Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 3:01 pm“If you really want the solution of corruption in defense sector I suggest privatization of defense sector…”
Just one of the many “howlarious” statements in this post. If ever the author wanted to parade his ignorance about the state-of-affairs of this country, he/she couldn’t have done better than the aforementioned comment
(mind you, he/she comes mighty close on many occasions). One can only look heavenwards and breath a sigh of relief that atleast the upper echelons of this country doesn’t comprise of “intellectuals” like these…
renegade_division Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 3:14 pm@GP
I still don’t understand what the question no 6 is, and in fact I don’t even understand your refutation/explanation of that point. To me asking “why are iPods easily available to people” would make equally no sense. The point is how is that question related to the discussion what has that to do with the things we are talking about.
I can’t explain people the supply and demand dynamics although I can explain the reason why some things look counter-intuitive in terms of supply and demand.
Same goes with question no 9, I totally do not understand the question or your response to it. I will leave it here if just in case the original poster understands your question.
Of course property rights can solve the environment issue. The countries with more pollution have weaker property rights. Take a look at world’s 10 most polluted cities:
http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/0,28757,1661031,00.html
Its almost exclusively filled with countries with weak property rights. There is more public property at these places than private property.
About claiming the ownership on environment then you are getting it wrote by calling it “claiming ownership on environment” you don’t claim the ownership on environment you just claim the ownership on what your own property. The way anything can be claimed is by drawing a boundary around it. If you cannot draw a boundary around it, chances are you cannot claim it. For example you want to claim the unowned land you draw boundary around it(a fence).
If you want to own the part of an ocean you need to draw a fence around it. You want to farm the fish then find a way to mark the fence and preventing fish from going out. Until that happens we wouldn’t have ocean property rights.
Another thing is the ability to sue corporations for pollution. I don’t know what are the pollution laws in India but in America there was a time when an old lady would sue a factory because she put down clothes to dry and when she came back they were all black with smoke. The government of US in early 20th century passed a law preventing the corporation from being sued by a pollution law suit(individuals can sue for health damages but not for property damages). The solution is to allow the respective property owners to be able to sue the companies. There will be a CSI for pollution which will do the study and find out where is the polluting factory polluting your property. We don’t have a forensic pollution agency because there is no market for such a thing.
Take for example in the most polluted cities of China, if all the respective property owners sue the various factories for pollution they will be immediately shut down until they find a solution for the pollution.
People often say.. isn’t really an argument bro.
It doesn’t matter what people say. Just look at this, why is that a govt employee with a higher salary is corrupt but a private sector employee with a lower salary is not?
The reason is simple, you have created an artificial monopoly of govt sector wherever govt sector works. Govt will not go out of business if their employees are corrupt. The private sector company will go out of business if the employees are corrupt.
Take for example, if you are a govt employee who is corrupt down to your core, you change jobs and join Airtel. If you now do something corrupt you face two swords.
If you are caught being corrupt you will be fired. Your co-worker has no incentive to be corrupt with you, at least your boss has no incentive to be corrupt.
If you are NOT caught being corrupt you still are dragging the company down to bankruptcy. The people will start going to your non-corrupt competitor(which is the exact reason why your boss or his boss isn’t corrupt).
If you have the need and you are in private sector you might embezzle company funds, but that’s just a theft.
But when you are in public sector when you be corrupt, you are merely charging a higher service fee than what govt wants to charge to perform some legitimate customer services.
The private sector can actually utilize the greed to make more honest money(profits).
The public sector has no incentive to utilize the greed to make profits.
I used to have a Tata indicom’s telephone connection. And my dad wanted to get it disconnected. He went to the office and the guy refuse to cut it trying to convince my dad to keep it. The persuasion was so annoying that my dad started screaming on the top of his lungs. Meanwhile I called my dad, and he told me the problem, I suggested to offer him a Rs 50 note and stop bugging my dad for keeping the connection. He immediately moved ahead to proceed with the termination and refused the money.
The point is, he(Tata Indicom guy) makes profit and more money and more prosperity when he does honest business. He was bugging the **** out of my dad persuading him to keep the connection. He refused the money because he never took money from any customer for anything.
Similarly in defense sector if the people who were actually making profits by providing you defense(like your doctor makes profit by providing you with healthcare) then they will have all the incentives to be honest at their job and provide you with the most cheapest most efficient service.
But the problem is that day is very far away when we will not have a Indian army rather than only private defense forces. One thing Indian govt is very good at is to create this illusion of Nationality. Until then all I can suggest is to forget the issue of corruption in defense its a waste of time.
Take for example the commenter right after you “Hatikvah”, and the way she is mocking me.
renegade_division Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 3:25 pm@Hatikvah said:
Yeah I apologize for the lack of knowledge and my ignorance about the state of affairs of India. I was born on Martian India(the India on Mars) where we never had any of these problems. Also because of the Mars’s atmospheric conditions my IQ is only 20(I am 1/5th intelligent for my age). So I cannot be as smart as you.
But the day you feel like making a logical coherent point rather than mocking me, my intelligence and my background, be my guest. I love some tough questions. I am defending an idea. I stand for Liberty, and I take proud in doing things for a reason. If you have a logical point(which I do not thing considering your comment), you will successfully manage to take me away from my current position.
But irrespective of anything I hardly think you have anything new to say to me. Your point is probably going to be about:
1) Terrorist and how without a national defense they will run over our country.
2) How China/Pakistan will enslave us without a national defense.
3) How we need a national defense to fight the insurgents in North East, the Naxals, the dacoits of Chambal basin etc etc.
I don’t mind an intellectual discussion but “mocking”?? Really?? One thing is clear I shook your belief system from inside so much that you settled everything down by calling me a loon.
Hatikvah Says:
September 1st, 2009 at 5:13 pmImagine you complaining about being mocked. Maybe, just maybe, when the age of miracles will arise and you’d be able to look two seconds ahead of yourself, you’d realize just how squeamishly mocking are your responses to comments that are at the slightest crossroads to the viewpoints expressed in the blog (and the comments by the readers were actually polite). Oh, and heaven help the reader if he were to, in the slightest manner insinuate his/her inclination to siding with prohibition or tightening the laws on wielding guns. The surgical attacks mounted on him/her have absolutely no bearings on the comments, but rather on the indignity of having contradicted the holier-than-thou viewpoints of the authors of this blog.
Coming back to the statement of contention, allow me to correct the presumption for none of those three points ever came to my mind. There’s a far simpler reason to not hand it over to the Corporates. They don’t exist to run the defense of the country. The aim of every corporate is to make money, simple, not to defend this nation. I’m not even getting into the ruthlessness that afflicts virtually every private player in today’s world (that, they won’t blink twice before selling away the nation if it suited them). The subject of defense of a nation cannot be elucidated upon by mere laws/fundamentals of economics or for that matter any other subject. It goes far beyond, and definitely farther than the comprehension of the people concerned herein. Its horses for courses. The private players contribute to the economy, the Govt. takes care of the nation’s defense. Let’s not mix it up (the last time, the “private players” had a hand in the “country’s defense” that nation was guilty of invading/ruining 78 other countries at various parts of the world in the name of “national security”, never mind that they were economically and politically the biggest force to reckon with);
You know, reviewing your response, I went back to my comments and nowhere did I find myself calling you a loon. In retrospect, I suppose, being a loon would be an improvement in your case…;-)
GP Says:
September 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 amRegarding my answers to question 6 and 9 - I am sure the person who posed will understand if he/she is having LB personality with flexible mind - But if he/she is biased RB who always see “private players as bullies who always exploit others for profit” then it’s difficult to convince.
See- the person’s intension is just to highlight - dark side of privatization i.e. how some big businesses exploit people BPL(below poverty line) in the name of business/profit/money. I can say - you can’t convince such readers through - demand-supply rule as they ought to see the world from the frame where
Private players are just big Sharks who are out there to capture tiny fishes (so logically speaking we can say - “Survival of the fittest is the rule of game” but they will argue “Then how come those small fishes will survive?”
Bottom-line - Just forget it! :)
Nope I don’t think so. It might allow you to sue and get damages for your health but such cases are quite rare considering time factor and financial constraints involved to keep them running for years until justice being done.
Again - “You can’t fix the probe on xyz firm saying effluent/emissions from your industry caused my laundry to become black.” - There is no tangible evidence to prove it. If you are saying “this is the only firm nearby to my house which caused it” then again question would be “why you are living in industrial zone? Of why PCB (pollution control board) granted permission to setup a plant in human locality?”
Also - it cud be possible that “person suing such business might have personal vendetta/ or just in mood of exploiting such private property laws ( i.e. if at all they being put in place as per your current proposal) by “making his/her laundry dirty using emission/smoke out of his own automobile” :)..Right?
My point is - Private property laws can help u to get what u want (sue the people/big bulls running industry around your area)
BUT not protect environment. You need to be responsible and cautious about societal obligation
Also, if u take a look at existing environment protection laws in any country - You will notice that - once you get clearance from pollution control board (PCB) after you submit required proofs /docs
Saying “My firm following all safety norms/precautionary measure to protect environment from excessive emissions” then it does not matter whether u keep your promise or not. (Here if u talk about - routine checking by PCB officials then just forget it coz such checks are cleared through bribery.)
Also, recent example where INDIA refused to obey US proposal (remember: Mrs. Clinton and our environment minister meeting?) intended to control pollution level coz it will put restrictions on Indian industrial/economic progress. — > Here my point is - No way u can enforce it, there are weak links!
If u talk about oceans being polluted by crude oil waste — > you can’t fix responsibility saying “xyz ship has done it they have to pay for it” ( coz u can’t prove!) there are always smart anyways to get away with it - just like ICC extended elbow extension limit to 15 degrees ( previously it was 10 degrees for fast bowlers, 7.5 degrees for medium pacers, and 5 degrees for spin bowlers) after noticing ninety-nine percent of all bowlers tested were found to flex their elbow to some degree, and often flexed it much greater than the limit set at the time. i.e. just to make sure - People don’t have to label everyone (all such bowlers) as chuckers like they did / some people still do to Murali. i.e. “It’s not chucking if u bend your arms in certain degrees” - I mean what a ****!
Nope I don’t agree here with you. You can’t just label every govt. official as corrupt regardless of his salary.
Corruption do exist in private sector too but in advanced form i.e. in the form of “abuse of power and favoritism” in most of the cases where decisions being taken / deals being signed-off to safeguard interest of certain Business units/individuals.( I hope you must have seen movie “Corporate” and “Gafla” ( best one on dark side of Share Market)).
So just privatization won’t help in eradication of corruption. But I agree there is more accountability in private sector than in public/govt. offices so it can help to reduce it. Again as usual my big “NO” to privatization of Defense sector. My arguments/reasons..I think u already know. Besides, you can’t rule out the possibility/risk of dictatorship if you hand over national defense to private player. (Defense /Health sectors should not be treated like usual service sectors. They are the most important sectors so all risk assessment should be done before making them privatized as per free/open market economy.
If you are interested please have a look at reasons: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Reasons_for_corruption they are pretty much same.
I really don’t understand - why Hatikvah/any other reader waste so much of time n energy in mocking :)
I mean - Its quite easy n quick to just point out weak link/ unexplored risks in your post and get author’s views on it :)..
But I guess some people have their own style of making a point :) and seek eXclusive (with big “X”) attention of writer..Anyways she made a point in the end “They don’t exist to run the defense of the country. The aim of every corporate is to make money, simple, not to defend this nation. I’m not even getting into the ruthlessness that afflicts virtually every private player in today’s world (that, they won’t blink twice before selling away the nation if it suited them).”
Which I guess irrefutable on the basis of economic laws :)
Pravin Says:
September 3rd, 2009 at 12:44 amthe ‘defense’ sector is already a dictatorship.who are we kidding. a total lack of misunderstanding of property rights leads to an unimaginative argument that xyz can run away with pollution.so whats your solution?.get some govt babus to own the property on ‘public’s behalf’?. we know how that is working out for india’s tigers.in south africa,the best wildlife thrives in places like moholoholo which is private.
Keshavcharan Says:
September 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 pmIndia’s Defense sector is about ‘collecting’ but corporate way is not, it rather gives away the collected material which obviously leads to digging of our own grave. Isn’t it ? I think a corporate-defense can work only if it can produce excess of state-of-the-art technological weapons. Secondly, theres always a risk from the corporates to act against the govt. interests which was told already.
Pravin Says:
September 4th, 2009 at 11:21 amwhat are ‘govt’ interests?. the interest of a bunch of people?. you make the classic mistake of assuming that the govt = people of the country.
we have a constitution given to us by our founders.thats not for fun.it is to protect the people from their representatives harmful deeds
Gauhar Says:
September 5th, 2009 at 3:04 pmThe page refreshes to http://www.reasonforliberty.com/india/responding-to-ias-aspirant.html&wscr=1440x900
There is some error in some plugin IMO
VJS Says:
December 8th, 2009 at 11:48 amALL DIEHARD IAS FANS READ THIS AND REFUTE THIS IF YOU CAN WITH SOLID TRUE ARGUMENTS, WITHOUT EMOTIONAL RANTINGS, WITHOUT HAPHAZARD CORPORATE BASHING AND OTHER ILLOGICAL SOPHISTRIES….
GOOD BUSINESSMAN — -BAD BUSINESSMAN
1)people if a business man is good he would cause betterment of:
a)himself and his family
b)his employees- by creating jobs
c)area around him- by producing goods and services
d)poor- by doing charity or other constructive work
2)and if a business man is bad he would cause betterment of
a,b,c (same as above)
d)even if he omits ‘d’ from above he is not causing any harm, why are IAS fans against the poor guy if he is making some money,
e)the only harm he does is some crime like adulteration or tax evasion BUT LET ME REMIND IAS FANS…that these crimes are possible only because IAS,IRS,IPS dont do their duty, they joined it not because of any concern for service of indians..they jus want a red light and lots of money without hardwork….
NOW IAS FANS can argue that there can be GOOD IAS TOO…but let me tell you what…THE MAJORITY OF DIRTY IAS FRATERNITY would stop these good people (we have many examples)
CONCLUSION- GOOD businessmen do LOTS OF GOOD and BAD businessmen do a LITTLE LESS GOOD (BUT THEY DO GOOD)
NOW Lets study the second case:
GOOD IAS — -BAD IAS
1)IAS has no job being good or bad he has come there by his own choice..he swears that he would serve the country but all he does is a blatant rape of the country…
He is bound by duty to serve the people…thats why he is given a red light as a symbol of esteem above common man…he is supposed to lead the people…serve them…
politicians are filthy idiots…IAS should boycott their nefarious designs they have been given such powers but they chose not to….these intelligent IAS concoct sophisticated schemes to assist politicians to denude mother india and get a paltry tip in return…
THEY WANT TO EQUAL THE WEALTH OF BUSINESSMEN but are not willing to grind themselves….so use cheap shortcuts..
REMEMBER THIS IS NOT FOR HONEST IAS ppl…my father is an army officer too…BUT THE PROBLEM is the DIRTY FRATERNITY murders the honest whistleblowers, transfer them, abuse them and what not….the only problem is that these DIRTY IAS are in OVERWHELMING MAJORITY…
remember politicians and IAS cant do anything without each other…even if 50% of one of the groups chose to stop corruption it would be achieved in no time…BUT THEY WONT….politicians want intelligent IAS to loot the common people and IAS want politicians to save them from law as IAS wants nothin but commit innumerable crimes…be it bribery, their children creating raucous,
flaunting traffic rules, favoritism, assisting there businessmen friend to flaunt all rules and regulations
CONCLUSION:
BUSINESSMEN CAN BE GOOD OR BAD…in both ways he contributes
the wrongs they commit are supposed to be checked by IAS, IPS…
IAS and all have no option….they are supposed to be good…but they are criminals assisting more and bigger criminals…
SOLUTION:
country needs both…although MORE BUSINESSMEN and very few IAS IPS….
the problem can be cured if new IAS ENTRANTS REALLY JOIN THE SERVICES TO SERVE….soon they will overcrowd the bad fish and exterminate them…but only if they want to ….and that is not a near case…almost all people i know take IAS coachings in delhi to have that RED LIGHT CAR….and beat the hell out of asses of common man…