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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/parenthood-and-freedom.html#comment-3097</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 08:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol seems, a primate monkey taught me alot!</description>
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		<title>By: Monkey</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/parenthood-and-freedom.html#comment-3096</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 05:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is this so poorly written and essentially unedited? Is the author not a native English speaker? That would explain sentences like this: &quot;The only right an Individual possess is right to live free, he cannot have any such right as to own a property without earning it or getting it freely gifted for him.&quot;

Seriously... I tried to read this, but the grammar is so atrocious, I simply had to post this criticism before I leave. While I wish you the best of luck, perhaps an ESL tutor could help prepare your posts for publication in the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is this so poorly written and essentially unedited? Is the author not a native English speaker? That would explain sentences like this: &#8220;The only right an Individual possess is right to live free, he cannot have any such right as to own a property without earning it or getting it freely gifted for him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously&#8230; I tried to read this, but the grammar is so atrocious, I simply had to post this criticism before I leave. While I wish you the best of luck, perhaps an ESL tutor could help prepare your posts for publication in the future!</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/parenthood-and-freedom.html#comment-2168</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 07:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is certainly useful as a system considering the fact that there are 6+ billion individuals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The same identity crisis caused Britishers to attack new lands and colonize, same nationalism was behind the wars of spain, portugal, brtian france and germany, same identity problem caused WW1 and WW2, same Identity problem caused Indo-Pak most grevious wars, and problems of terrorism, militancy and mass murders, same sort of identity crisis is engulfing Gaza strip since ages.

That nationalism identity is the root cause of most mass murders of history and current era.

Don&#039;t you know the reality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is certainly useful as a system considering the fact that there are 6+ billion individuals.</p></blockquote>
<p>The same identity crisis caused Britishers to attack new lands and colonize, same nationalism was behind the wars of spain, portugal, brtian france and germany, same identity problem caused WW1 and WW2, same Identity problem caused Indo-Pak most grevious wars, and problems of terrorism, militancy and mass murders, same sort of identity crisis is engulfing Gaza strip since ages.</p>
<p>That nationalism identity is the root cause of most mass murders of history and current era.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you know the reality?</p>
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		<title>By: Don Emmerich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Emmerich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I love you’re blog.  Would you be interested in doing a link exchange -- I’ll post a link to your blog on my blogroll and you post a link to my blog on yours.  I’m a fellow anarcho-capitalist
 
Thanks,
Don Emmerich</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I love you’re blog.  Would you be interested in doing a link exchange &#8212; I’ll post a link to your blog on my blogroll and you post a link to my blog on yours.  I’m a fellow anarcho-capitalist<br />
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Thanks,<br />
Don Emmerich</p>
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		<title>By: Rathesh</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/parenthood-and-freedom.html#comment-2166</link>
		<dc:creator>Rathesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 21:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you feel national identity serve an important purpose in the world .It helps to bring aspiration,identity,ethinicity of a larger section of people under one umbrella. This is certainly useful as a system considering the fact that there are 6+ billion individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you feel national identity serve an important purpose in the world .It helps to bring aspiration,identity,ethinicity of a larger section of people under one umbrella. This is certainly useful as a system considering the fact that there are 6+ billion individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing galeo, I consider current rulers of india and Indian government also as culprit as the britishers were.

No difference, &lt;strong&gt;I can not acclaim My Birth Right of Self Governance even now&lt;/strong&gt;.

Stop showcasing your nationalism, I am Individualist totally against the collectivist idea of nationalism. Here there is no britisher no indian no american no pakistani, all are individuals, standing against any form of government and collectivism.

Although it is observable that If colonizers and socialists might not have interfered with Indian sub-continent, there might have been chances of capitalism and libertarianism fully develop in India after the down-fall of feudalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing galeo, I consider current rulers of india and Indian government also as culprit as the britishers were.</p>
<p>No difference, <strong>I can not acclaim My Birth Right of Self Governance even now</strong>.</p>
<p>Stop showcasing your nationalism, I am Individualist totally against the collectivist idea of nationalism. Here there is no britisher no indian no american no pakistani, all are individuals, standing against any form of government and collectivism.</p>
<p>Although it is observable that If colonizers and socialists might not have interfered with Indian sub-continent, there might have been chances of capitalism and libertarianism fully develop in India after the down-fall of feudalism.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/parenthood-and-freedom.html#comment-2165</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never said that India was &quot;discovered&quot;, but which India you are talking about? the same India which was facing murderers on the name of religion?
Anyways you can keep cursing Europeans if it makes you feel better, it has nothing to do with the article, and the fact reamains constant, Industrial revolution and Medical revolution reached Indian shores with the help of Portuguese French spanish and britishers.

What india had were some butcherers like Aurangjebs, and then some impotents like bahadur Shah jafar.

if India lost to britishers it was Indian fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never said that India was &#8220;discovered&#8221;, but which India you are talking about? the same India which was facing murderers on the name of religion?<br />
Anyways you can keep cursing Europeans if it makes you feel better, it has nothing to do with the article, and the fact reamains constant, Industrial revolution and Medical revolution reached Indian shores with the help of Portuguese French spanish and britishers.</p>
<p>What india had were some butcherers like Aurangjebs, and then some impotents like bahadur Shah jafar.</p>
<p>if India lost to britishers it was Indian fault.</p>
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		<title>By: galeo rhinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>galeo rhinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got in touch?  You mean India was not in touch with the Europeans before the 15th century? 

Oh right - I forgot - India was &quot;discovered&quot; by the Europeans :-)

Or perhaps you mean India must feel fortunate for being &quot;ruled&quot; by the English?
Perhaps it is  the age old Choo-Choo Salute!

I hope it is not... that would be greatly disappointing :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got in touch?  You mean India was not in touch with the Europeans before the 15th century? </p>
<p>Oh right &#8211; I forgot &#8211; India was &#8220;discovered&#8221; by the Europeans <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Or perhaps you mean India must feel fortunate for being &#8220;ruled&#8221; by the English?<br />
Perhaps it is  the age old Choo-Choo Salute!</p>
<p>I hope it is not&#8230; that would be greatly disappointing <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 19:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;in fact child labor was not a problem in India until India lost economic freedom…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

India never faced industrial revolution and medical revolution attacking Indian shores with such huge surge as Europe faced.

Just 15 years before industrial revolution, people were dying of small pox and malaria, and suddenly all those penicillin and quinine were discovered and the dangers of mass deaths in Europe ended, malaria and small pox and other such disease remained a masss murderer In India for long period, and were removed by british help alone.
But in Europe, during those times of starvation plague and medical discoveries, parents died in large numbers because they were never immuned, and their children remain healthy cos they got immunitions and vaccinations, the number of orphans increased manyfolds, and because of starvation and plagues nobody was there to take care.
Industrial revolution provided food and chance for life to those orphan children who might have have died of hunger and cold if there was no new work for them which was provided by Industrial revolution.

India must feel fortunate that indians got touch of Europeans at right time, And those orphans who were latter used by communists to stage a show against capitalism and industrial revolution, and who might have died if there was not capitalism which saved their life, should be considered Lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>in fact child labor was not a problem in India until India lost economic freedom…</p></blockquote>
<p>India never faced industrial revolution and medical revolution attacking Indian shores with such huge surge as Europe faced.</p>
<p>Just 15 years before industrial revolution, people were dying of small pox and malaria, and suddenly all those penicillin and quinine were discovered and the dangers of mass deaths in Europe ended, malaria and small pox and other such disease remained a masss murderer In India for long period, and were removed by british help alone.<br />
But in Europe, during those times of starvation plague and medical discoveries, parents died in large numbers because they were never immuned, and their children remain healthy cos they got immunitions and vaccinations, the number of orphans increased manyfolds, and because of starvation and plagues nobody was there to take care.<br />
Industrial revolution provided food and chance for life to those orphan children who might have have died of hunger and cold if there was no new work for them which was provided by Industrial revolution.</p>
<p>India must feel fortunate that indians got touch of Europeans at right time, And those orphans who were latter used by communists to stage a show against capitalism and industrial revolution, and who might have died if there was not capitalism which saved their life, should be considered Lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: galeo rhinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>galeo rhinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Child Labour is not Indian problem alone, Europe faced the blames of child labor majorly after industrial revolution.

&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s exactly the point... the issue is polity... European polity... in fact child labor was not a problem in India until India lost economic freedom...


the word victim - you obviously misinterpreted the meaning :-)

me a pessimist? that&#039;s a first for me.. but I&#039;ll take it</description>
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Child Labour is not Indian problem alone, Europe faced the blames of child labor majorly after industrial revolution.</p>
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<p>That&#8217;s exactly the point&#8230; the issue is polity&#8230; European polity&#8230; in fact child labor was not a problem in India until India lost economic freedom&#8230;</p>
<p>the word victim &#8211; you obviously misinterpreted the meaning <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>me a pessimist? that&#8217;s a first for me.. but I&#8217;ll take it</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;yet are a victim to the compulsions of finding a perfect design…&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am not victim, nor I am for any compulsion of perfection, also &lt;strong&gt;I don&#039;t consider a perfectionist as a victim, rather the perfectionist is the prime mover towards betterment, he is the source of evolution.&lt;/strong&gt; You seem to be pessimist I guess.

About topdown paradigm, I do not think that you are clear about it.
Child Labour is not Indian problem alone, Europe faced the blames of child labor majorly after industrial revolution.
Just like molestation, certain works surely are dangerous for a child psyche, certain works surely need a consent from an able mind, and for such works, a child cannot and should not be forced. That is the idea. If you want me to give some examples, i can provide, yet I assume that you can get the examples of those certain works by yourself.

Maria Montessori roused against Hitler and defied him against forcing her young kid students to serve in German army.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>yet are a victim to the compulsions of finding a perfect design…</p></blockquote>
<p>I am not victim, nor I am for any compulsion of perfection, also <strong>I don&#8217;t consider a perfectionist as a victim, rather the perfectionist is the prime mover towards betterment, he is the source of evolution.</strong> You seem to be pessimist I guess.</p>
<p>About topdown paradigm, I do not think that you are clear about it.<br />
Child Labour is not Indian problem alone, Europe faced the blames of child labor majorly after industrial revolution.<br />
Just like molestation, certain works surely are dangerous for a child psyche, certain works surely need a consent from an able mind, and for such works, a child cannot and should not be forced. That is the idea. If you want me to give some examples, i can provide, yet I assume that you can get the examples of those certain works by yourself.</p>
<p>Maria Montessori roused against Hitler and defied him against forcing her young kid students to serve in German army.</p>
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		<title>By: galeo rhinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>galeo rhinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO - only politcal systems can be designed top down... everything else should fall into place... including social systems...


...that&#039;s exactly what freedom means... can you really say you are free if someone follows up with a question &quot;wait... what you are doing with your freedom?&quot;


so the question of say, child labor at home vs. at a factory - is an issue of a flawed polity - not failure of society...


Indic polity achieved industrial success in a decentralized structure... workers were self employed... with the family being the primary &quot;help...&quot; in this environment - a social conflict is not relevant... yet when the system crumbled - as Indians lost their economic freedom, it became an issue... a social issue as well... but can the solution be acheived if you look at the social problem in isolation?


Christianity and later progressive-liberalism was unleashed on India to &quot;expose&quot; India&#039;s &quot;social&quot; ills - when in reality they were a result of loss of economic and political freedom... that was a distraction...


So if someone wants to address the &quot;problem&quot; of child labor - challenge the flawed polity... challenge a bad constitution... 


...the progressive-liberal paradigm creates a distraction from finding the real solutions to freedom...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO &#8211; only politcal systems can be designed top down&#8230; everything else should fall into place&#8230; including social systems&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;that&#8217;s exactly what freedom means&#8230; can you really say you are free if someone follows up with a question &#8220;wait&#8230; what you are doing with your freedom?&#8221;</p>
<p>so the question of say, child labor at home vs. at a factory &#8211; is an issue of a flawed polity &#8211; not failure of society&#8230;</p>
<p>Indic polity achieved industrial success in a decentralized structure&#8230; workers were self employed&#8230; with the family being the primary &#8220;help&#8230;&#8221; in this environment &#8211; a social conflict is not relevant&#8230; yet when the system crumbled &#8211; as Indians lost their economic freedom, it became an issue&#8230; a social issue as well&#8230; but can the solution be acheived if you look at the social problem in isolation?</p>
<p>Christianity and later progressive-liberalism was unleashed on India to &#8220;expose&#8221; India&#8217;s &#8220;social&#8221; ills &#8211; when in reality they were a result of loss of economic and political freedom&#8230; that was a distraction&#8230;</p>
<p>So if someone wants to address the &#8220;problem&#8221; of child labor &#8211; challenge the flawed polity&#8230; challenge a bad constitution&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8230;the progressive-liberal paradigm creates a distraction from finding the real solutions to freedom&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: renegade_division</title>
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		<dc:creator>renegade_division</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Galeo Rhinus
Can you be a bit more specific in what you mean by the above comment?</description>
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Can you be a bit more specific in what you mean by the above comment?</p>
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		<title>By: galeo rhinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>galeo rhinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this conflict emerges only from a progressive-liberal paradigm, where one indulges in a &quot;top down&quot; view of society...


...I acknowledge that you do make an attempt to change the point of view, yet are a victim to the compulsions of finding a perfect design... that&#039;s the paradox...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this conflict emerges only from a progressive-liberal paradigm, where one indulges in a &#8220;top down&#8221; view of society&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;I acknowledge that you do make an attempt to change the point of view, yet are a victim to the compulsions of finding a perfect design&#8230; that&#8217;s the paradox&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Smita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is an eye opener for me. I have been reading all your posts but always feel inadequate to comment here :-)

As far as my views are concerned...I believe that once we are independent we should be left on our own. Parents toil for us for their whole life (am assuming that we a re lucky to have great parents). They don&#039;t have to pay up for us for the whole life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is an eye opener for me. I have been reading all your posts but always feel inadequate to comment here <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As far as my views are concerned&#8230;I believe that once we are independent we should be left on our own. Parents toil for us for their whole life (am assuming that we a re lucky to have great parents). They don&#8217;t have to pay up for us for the whole life.</p>
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