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		<description>[...] exist[3] , and hence freedom means nothing. Above is the discussion over that&#160;issue. Footnotes:Meaning of Freedom, ReasonForLiberty [&#8617;]Moral Degradation of Modern Society or Moral Evolution, ReasonForLiberty [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;From practical point of view Write-up would serve ONLY a limited purpose and i.e. theories/ conceptual model
- ppl either accept it or not coz those are just theories unless I give them - &quot;How I am planning to implement it!&quot; . &lt;/i&gt;

Why do not you try to find out what were the practical achievements of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee, Rabindra Nath Tagore, Premchand, Sarojini Naidu, Iqbal and other writers whose only way of demanding and establishing freedom against british rulers was writing?

The practical purpose of writing and spreding awareness about theills and wrongs is obviously to create potential for a logical way to bring about a change.

You may try out to find what was the importance of the signatories of freedom (Kamal and Roti) during the 1857 Gadar Indian revolution. This site, and all articles are meant to provide same practical/logical way of spreading the awareness about worthless and infact Evil system of partial slavery under government.
&lt;i&gt;
(coz No 1: practically its not possible to get rid of “govt. system” from peoples lives?&lt;/i&gt;

It is neither impossible, nor impractical to getrid of the evil, nd abolitshing of slavery. Yet a revolution takes time to create/gather potential to bring about significant change.

It was impractical for Darwin to challenge Bible/Puranas and Quran and establish the factual theory of evolution. It took time for people to realize what is right and what is wrong.

Even now majority of wholeworld doesn&#039;t believe in theory of evolution, but that doesn&#039;t make it impractical anymore.

&lt;i&gt;It will be easy to implement any new ideas withing exiting govt. framework provided
you practically convince feasibility of its implementation with LOGICAL PLAN.
&lt;/i&gt;

Lol, I am and manymanymore Libertarians are actually working on the logical plan. What do you think, when a simple logical independence from britishers took almost 150 years, will it be so easy to get rid of this complexed evil ?

Nah it would take time, it would happen step by step, and first step is to spread awareness, that under the government interventions system, every individual is destined to suffer.

So the reality is while I and many 0thers are actually working on the systematic logical plan, you are unable torealize it.

 even it took almost 200 years for the end of evil regime of socialism in USSR and eastern europe from where the Indian crooks got the idea of enslaving whole indians.

Disinvestment of government and theliberalization process india is going through won&#039;t be stopping anytime until Indians would be completely free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>From practical point of view Write-up would serve ONLY a limited purpose and i.e. theories/ conceptual model<br />
- ppl either accept it or not coz those are just theories unless I give them &#8211; &#8220;How I am planning to implement it!&#8221; . </i></p>
<p>Why do not you try to find out what were the practical achievements of Bankim Chandra Chatterjee, Rabindra Nath Tagore, Premchand, Sarojini Naidu, Iqbal and other writers whose only way of demanding and establishing freedom against british rulers was writing?</p>
<p>The practical purpose of writing and spreding awareness about theills and wrongs is obviously to create potential for a logical way to bring about a change.</p>
<p>You may try out to find what was the importance of the signatories of freedom (Kamal and Roti) during the 1857 Gadar Indian revolution. This site, and all articles are meant to provide same practical/logical way of spreading the awareness about worthless and infact Evil system of partial slavery under government.<br />
<i><br />
(coz No 1: practically its not possible to get rid of “govt. system” from peoples lives?</i></p>
<p>It is neither impossible, nor impractical to getrid of the evil, nd abolitshing of slavery. Yet a revolution takes time to create/gather potential to bring about significant change.</p>
<p>It was impractical for Darwin to challenge Bible/Puranas and Quran and establish the factual theory of evolution. It took time for people to realize what is right and what is wrong.</p>
<p>Even now majority of wholeworld doesn&#8217;t believe in theory of evolution, but that doesn&#8217;t make it impractical anymore.</p>
<p><i>It will be easy to implement any new ideas withing exiting govt. framework provided<br />
you practically convince feasibility of its implementation with LOGICAL PLAN.<br />
</i></p>
<p>Lol, I am and manymanymore Libertarians are actually working on the logical plan. What do you think, when a simple logical independence from britishers took almost 150 years, will it be so easy to get rid of this complexed evil ?</p>
<p>Nah it would take time, it would happen step by step, and first step is to spread awareness, that under the government interventions system, every individual is destined to suffer.</p>
<p>So the reality is while I and many 0thers are actually working on the systematic logical plan, you are unable torealize it.</p>
<p> even it took almost 200 years for the end of evil regime of socialism in USSR and eastern europe from where the Indian crooks got the idea of enslaving whole indians.</p>
<p>Disinvestment of government and theliberalization process india is going through won&#8217;t be stopping anytime until Indians would be completely free.</p>
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		<title>By: GP</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/meaning-of-freedom.html#comment-2588</link>
		<dc:creator>GP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the plan to get rid of government, Government is essentially as irrational concept as worshipping some goddess to get rid of smallpox, or acepting Bible as ultimate truth and forcing all to believe that evolution is a sham and conspiracy against bible, or Galileo was a sinner a son of devil who tried to brutalize Bible and negate the factual revolvivng sun around the earth.
==&gt; OK. I got it. You don&#039;t mean to or intend to &quot;overthrowing govt. system from peoples lives&quot;
as you believe in non-violent ways of expressing protest / exposing flaws in govt. system through your write-ups...right?
At the max it will create awareness among readers of your literature. But what about fixing it? HOW u plan to fix it?
.....YOU NEED TO HAVE PLAN to fix it if you truely intend to fix it...agreed? ( coz when u highlight problems u need to have solution for it. IF no
solution/ no fix then the efforts spent in highlighting the issue are wasted ...right? )

As per existing setup  - You either take judicial help by filing PIL&#039;s OR log protest/ pressurize govt. to amend certain rules/regulations . thats it!.any other better ideas?

But when you make statement such as &quot;similarly government and the partial or complete slavery of individuals can also
be properly eradicated, the logical way is the same by which the irrational beliefs like sun revolvingaround
earth were removed.&quot;  - You need to back your statement by proposing &quot;PRACTICAL PLAN&quot; for it. Just like truely greats &quot;Galelio&quot; and &quot;Write Brothers&quot; backed up their theories/claims
through scientific reasoning/evidences and practical demonstrations ( wright brothers materialized concept of glider).
Otherwise it will be just a claim and that&#039;s the end of it!
From practical point of view Write-up would serve ONLY a limited purpose and i.e. theories/ conceptual model
- ppl either accept it or not coz those are just theories unless I give them - &quot;How I am planning to implement it!&quot; .
If I have plan then I can validate/refine it to see up to wht extent its feasible.

How about thinking on the lines of - incorporating best principles of &quot;Free Market systems&quot; within existing govt. framework ?
(coz No 1: practically its not possible to get rid of &quot;govt. system&quot; from peoples lives? :)
No 2: It will be easy to implement any new ideas withing exiting govt. framework provided
you practically convince feasibility of its implementation with LOGICAL PLAN.
)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the plan to get rid of government, Government is essentially as irrational concept as worshipping some goddess to get rid of smallpox, or acepting Bible as ultimate truth and forcing all to believe that evolution is a sham and conspiracy against bible, or Galileo was a sinner a son of devil who tried to brutalize Bible and negate the factual revolvivng sun around the earth.<br />
==&gt; OK. I got it. You don&#8217;t mean to or intend to &#8220;overthrowing govt. system from peoples lives&#8221;<br />
as you believe in non-violent ways of expressing protest / exposing flaws in govt. system through your write-ups&#8230;right?<br />
At the max it will create awareness among readers of your literature. But what about fixing it? HOW u plan to fix it?<br />
&#8230;..YOU NEED TO HAVE PLAN to fix it if you truely intend to fix it&#8230;agreed? ( coz when u highlight problems u need to have solution for it. IF no<br />
solution/ no fix then the efforts spent in highlighting the issue are wasted &#8230;right? )</p>
<p>As per existing setup  &#8211; You either take judicial help by filing PIL&#8217;s OR log protest/ pressurize govt. to amend certain rules/regulations . thats it!.any other better ideas?</p>
<p>But when you make statement such as &#8220;similarly government and the partial or complete slavery of individuals can also<br />
be properly eradicated, the logical way is the same by which the irrational beliefs like sun revolvingaround<br />
earth were removed.&#8221;  &#8211; You need to back your statement by proposing &#8220;PRACTICAL PLAN&#8221; for it. Just like truely greats &#8220;Galelio&#8221; and &#8220;Write Brothers&#8221; backed up their theories/claims<br />
through scientific reasoning/evidences and practical demonstrations ( wright brothers materialized concept of glider).<br />
Otherwise it will be just a claim and that&#8217;s the end of it!<br />
From practical point of view Write-up would serve ONLY a limited purpose and i.e. theories/ conceptual model<br />
- ppl either accept it or not coz those are just theories unless I give them &#8211; &#8220;How I am planning to implement it!&#8221; .<br />
If I have plan then I can validate/refine it to see up to wht extent its feasible.</p>
<p>How about thinking on the lines of &#8211; incorporating best principles of &#8220;Free Market systems&#8221; within existing govt. framework ?<br />
(coz No 1: practically its not possible to get rid of &#8220;govt. system&#8221; from peoples lives? <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
No 2: It will be easy to implement any new ideas withing exiting govt. framework provided<br />
you practically convince feasibility of its implementation with LOGICAL PLAN.<br />
)</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/meaning-of-freedom.html#comment-2587</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Why the hell on earth so many countries are governed or dictated by govt/rulers( dictators) and WHY the
concept of FREE Society/ Free Market does not being IMPLEMENTED SUCCESSFULLY in ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD&quot; ?&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Or I should write that although flying in sky was totally rational yet why the hell irrationalists condemned such ideas right handedly before wright brothers actually made it possible to fly, and not even that, those similar kind of people obviously hated and attacked wright brothers too, that is another thing that now flying in air is such a common thing that you won&#039;t feel any impossibility in it.
Or more better would be to write about why the hell galileo was killed for speaking the simple truth that earth revolves round the Sun and is Bible is false? Such irrationalities always remains in the society, and civilization is obviously the progressive elimination of such irregularities.
About the plan to get rid of government, Government is essentially as irrational concept as worshipping some goddess to get rid of smallpox, or acepting Bible as ultimate truth and forcing all to believe that evolution is a sham and conspiracy against bible, or Galileo was a sinner a son of devil who tried to brutalize Bible and negate the factual revolvivng sun around the earth.
&lt;strong&gt;What I mean is, although such irregularities remains, with propagation of knowledge, and spread of rationality to the masses, such irrationalities can be properly eradicated, similarly government and the partial or complete slavery of individuals can also be properly eradicated, the logical way is the same by which the irrational beliefs like sun revolvingaround earth were removed.&lt;/strong&gt;
Galileo, for talking logic, rationality and truth was punished brutally.
Similarly, just because till now the totally rational, practical and logical concept of individual sovereignty have not been implemented anywhere, you consider it is impossible to achieve it, or there is no logical way to achieve it. For your own sake, you keep attacking anyone seeking for freedom to confirm your illusionary idea that freedom is not possible and government or slavery is essential. Obviously, with the advent of realization of self-sovereignty, you or others will reach the position where they won&#039;t feel any imposibility in being free.



&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;FREE WILL&quot; is JUST A PERCEPTION nothing else.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 I guess you didn&#039;t read my answer to your comment properly, again I should mention it, free-will is an intellectual concept, it is not a physical reality, but freedom of individuals is strictly a physical concept just like slavery is. Free Individuals and self-ownership is not only practical but consistent with reality too.

I never talked of the &quot;concept of Free-will&quot;, what I am talking of is &lt;strong&gt;individual freedom and abolition of slavery&lt;/strong&gt;. A man certainly can be completely free of any form of slavery, he can surely maintain a sustainable anarcho-capitalist society, yet he can never achieve Free-will. This fact is because of the reason that free will is an intellectual concept, it depends on the thinking ability of a person, but in order to achieve all his wills in physical sense, he need to work for transforming his wills/desires in physical world, as his strength to work and transform wishes to reality is limited, his domain of desires and wills will always be much bigger than what he can physically achieve. This reality has nothing to do with concept or meaning of freedom and individual self-ownership.

I hope one day you will stop making such ridiculous comments.

Again answering the same question &quot;&lt;strong&gt;how can we logically get rid of such irrtionalities like dictatorship, government and partial slavery?&quot;&lt;/strong&gt;
I answered it in the same article, the only logial way is by following Principle of Non-Aggression (i.e Non-violence) a libertarian won&#039;t start attacking people radically supporting government or the police or government officials, he surely won&#039;t start looting government banks and destroying government controlled resources, he will oppose these irregularities in non-violent ways, that is by writing, discussing, communicating, spreading knowledge, rational and benefits of self-governance, self-responsibility freedom and property rights and other libertarian concepts.
This is the only consistent and logical way along with rationally and non-violently advocating for principle of appropriation (homestead) division of labour and other fundamental concepts of freedom.

Before Newton explained and established laws of gravity, apples used to fall on earth, and they kept falling on earth even after the death of Newton. Self-ownership, self-governance, individualism is essential rational concept, that is different thing that people like you do not consider or realizes them.
Many people do not believe in theory of evolution even now, so the thing is, with the spread of knowledge and reason, more and more people will understand the redundance of government and ills of slavery/partial slavery. And a time will come when collectivism not only will be redundant it will be abolished and forgotten too.

Now about why so many countries follows government? Lol, So many people still do not believe that sun revolves round the earth, before galileo&#039;s death, &quot;almost&quot; nobody believed that earth revolves around sun.
Times changes, irrationalities are abolished, human progrsses and civilizes.
The process of man procuring freedom from collectivism is civilization. I strongly believe that one day human will be civilized, heis not until now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Why the hell on earth so many countries are governed or dictated by govt/rulers( dictators) and WHY the<br />
concept of FREE Society/ Free Market does not being IMPLEMENTED SUCCESSFULLY in ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD&#8221; ?</p></blockquote>
<p>Or I should write that although flying in sky was totally rational yet why the hell irrationalists condemned such ideas right handedly before wright brothers actually made it possible to fly, and not even that, those similar kind of people obviously hated and attacked wright brothers too, that is another thing that now flying in air is such a common thing that you won&#8217;t feel any impossibility in it.<br />
Or more better would be to write about why the hell galileo was killed for speaking the simple truth that earth revolves round the Sun and is Bible is false? Such irrationalities always remains in the society, and civilization is obviously the progressive elimination of such irregularities.<br />
About the plan to get rid of government, Government is essentially as irrational concept as worshipping some goddess to get rid of smallpox, or acepting Bible as ultimate truth and forcing all to believe that evolution is a sham and conspiracy against bible, or Galileo was a sinner a son of devil who tried to brutalize Bible and negate the factual revolvivng sun around the earth.<br />
<strong>What I mean is, although such irregularities remains, with propagation of knowledge, and spread of rationality to the masses, such irrationalities can be properly eradicated, similarly government and the partial or complete slavery of individuals can also be properly eradicated, the logical way is the same by which the irrational beliefs like sun revolvingaround earth were removed.</strong><br />
Galileo, for talking logic, rationality and truth was punished brutally.<br />
Similarly, just because till now the totally rational, practical and logical concept of individual sovereignty have not been implemented anywhere, you consider it is impossible to achieve it, or there is no logical way to achieve it. For your own sake, you keep attacking anyone seeking for freedom to confirm your illusionary idea that freedom is not possible and government or slavery is essential. Obviously, with the advent of realization of self-sovereignty, you or others will reach the position where they won&#8217;t feel any imposibility in being free.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;FREE WILL&#8221; is JUST A PERCEPTION nothing else.</p></blockquote>
<p> I guess you didn&#8217;t read my answer to your comment properly, again I should mention it, free-will is an intellectual concept, it is not a physical reality, but freedom of individuals is strictly a physical concept just like slavery is. Free Individuals and self-ownership is not only practical but consistent with reality too.</p>
<p>I never talked of the &#8220;concept of Free-will&#8221;, what I am talking of is <strong>individual freedom and abolition of slavery</strong>. A man certainly can be completely free of any form of slavery, he can surely maintain a sustainable anarcho-capitalist society, yet he can never achieve Free-will. This fact is because of the reason that free will is an intellectual concept, it depends on the thinking ability of a person, but in order to achieve all his wills in physical sense, he need to work for transforming his wills/desires in physical world, as his strength to work and transform wishes to reality is limited, his domain of desires and wills will always be much bigger than what he can physically achieve. This reality has nothing to do with concept or meaning of freedom and individual self-ownership.</p>
<p>I hope one day you will stop making such ridiculous comments.</p>
<p>Again answering the same question &#8220;<strong>how can we logically get rid of such irrtionalities like dictatorship, government and partial slavery?&#8221;</strong><br />
I answered it in the same article, the only logial way is by following Principle of Non-Aggression (i.e Non-violence) a libertarian won&#8217;t start attacking people radically supporting government or the police or government officials, he surely won&#8217;t start looting government banks and destroying government controlled resources, he will oppose these irregularities in non-violent ways, that is by writing, discussing, communicating, spreading knowledge, rational and benefits of self-governance, self-responsibility freedom and property rights and other libertarian concepts.<br />
This is the only consistent and logical way along with rationally and non-violently advocating for principle of appropriation (homestead) division of labour and other fundamental concepts of freedom.</p>
<p>Before Newton explained and established laws of gravity, apples used to fall on earth, and they kept falling on earth even after the death of Newton. Self-ownership, self-governance, individualism is essential rational concept, that is different thing that people like you do not consider or realizes them.<br />
Many people do not believe in theory of evolution even now, so the thing is, with the spread of knowledge and reason, more and more people will understand the redundance of government and ills of slavery/partial slavery. And a time will come when collectivism not only will be redundant it will be abolished and forgotten too.</p>
<p>Now about why so many countries follows government? Lol, So many people still do not believe that sun revolves round the earth, before galileo&#8217;s death, &#8220;almost&#8221; nobody believed that earth revolves around sun.<br />
Times changes, irrationalities are abolished, human progrsses and civilizes.<br />
The process of man procuring freedom from collectivism is civilization. I strongly believe that one day human will be civilized, heis not until now.</p>
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		<title>By: GP</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/meaning-of-freedom.html#comment-2586</link>
		<dc:creator>GP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May be you should write an article on &quot;Why the hell on earth so many countries are governed or dictated by govt/rulers( dictators) and WHY the
concept of FREE Society/ Free Market does not being IMPLEMENTED SUCCESSFULLY in ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD&quot; ?
-------I guess it will be always good to do some introspection to identify wht&#039;s wrong with your theories BUT if you are too proud to admit the flaws in it then you always end up bashing other ppl without any logical base :)
My perception is - You or any member of RFL community do not have any concrete plans to overthrow govt. system .
You guys can just write an articles and that&#039;s the end of it COZ you don&#039;t any plans!!


By the way Concept of Free Will is preety easy to understand . &quot;FREE WILL&quot; is JUST A PERCEPTION nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May be you should write an article on &#8220;Why the hell on earth so many countries are governed or dictated by govt/rulers( dictators) and WHY the<br />
concept of FREE Society/ Free Market does not being IMPLEMENTED SUCCESSFULLY in ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD&#8221; ?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;-I guess it will be always good to do some introspection to identify wht&#8217;s wrong with your theories BUT if you are too proud to admit the flaws in it then you always end up bashing other ppl without any logical base <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
My perception is &#8211; You or any member of RFL community do not have any concrete plans to overthrow govt. system .<br />
You guys can just write an articles and that&#8217;s the end of it COZ you don&#8217;t any plans!!</p>
<p>By the way Concept of Free Will is preety easy to understand . &#8220;FREE WILL&#8221; is JUST A PERCEPTION nothing else.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 15:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By the way - Do you have any logical/practical plans to get rid of govt. system from peoples lives?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Logical does not necessarily means practical, many illogical and irrational things are in practice, Government and partial slavery of citizens under government is just an example, such illogical practices were always present, as for example, a few decades ago, people used to worship some goddess to get rid of smallpox instead of taking proper medicines and vaccinations. So illogical practices are practical most of the times(although futile and extremely dangerous). Government and partial slavery of citizens is another similar example of illogical practices. About getting rid of government and other similar irrationalities, inconsistencies and irregularities, the only way totally conbsistent with principle of non-aggression is the spread of knowledge, idea and rational of individual freedom and its benefits to the masses.

Anyways, I already have mentioned the logical and poractical idea of free society in the same article, but as always, you with your all illogical incapacities missed to read and understand it. &lt;strong&gt;I will be adding another article totally devoted to describe such a system&lt;/strong&gt;, but even in this article, I did mentioned self-ownership (that is Lockean principle of Homstead) property rights and self-interest (that is randian principle of rational self-interest) Non-aggression axiom, that is Misean principle of non-initiation of violence) and distribution of labour as means of production, (that is principle of freedom, self-ownership and pursuit of happiness and peace).

I have mentioned all of those in the present article but you missed them, or may be you failed to understand them because of your limited knowledge, anyways, distribution of labour essentially multiplies knowledge, hence even though you are not an economist, or intellectual producer or philosopher, (that is the reason why you missed those points in this article) you will uderstand them by virtue of my labour in making another article to further explain all that.




&lt;blockquote&gt;Again the question of being free ?  FREE WILL is just a perception but in reality it does not exist. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



 If one wishes to live forever, as it is his free-will, freedom doesn&#039;t mean that his irrational wishes should be fulfilled.  you even missed the first few paragraph of this article which clearly mentioned that self-ownership strictly means self-responsibility, and pursuit of happiness strictly means earning the happiness. Now you must understand that willing/desiring is not a physical concept, it is intellectual, you can desire anything, but actually earning it, that is physically attaining that desire is different thing, and although you are free to desire anything, and you are free to work for it to earn your desires and then enjoy it, you need to earn it, and that depends on your capabilities, so if you are capable of inventing some medicine or miracle which may make you live forever, you are free to do so. It is your responsibility to earn your desires, if you earn them, you are free to enjoy them, if you fail to earn them, &lt;strong&gt;go to hell&lt;/strong&gt; as your failure is your responsibility, You will suffer your own Karma, not others the innocent tax-payers enslaved by your fradulent government. At present, government forces the mistakes of the siners on all the innocents collectively by means of compulsory taxation, subsidies, licensing, and ohh yea Bail Outs lol. Last year the Indian governed punished the honest hard working farmers who honestly paid back their loans, by announcing prices to the dishonest farmers who for their own mistakes or dishonesty failed to pay their loans back. Such slavery and steeling of incentive to produce and be honest won&#039;t be possible in a free soceity, and it is totally practical and logical and reasonable.


&lt;blockquote&gt;Humans and their decisions always coerced/influenced by various constraints/situations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 Do you mean that a person being incapable of doing wqork because he is suffering with flu, or cancer or HIV, is similar to a person incapable of earning work because he is being enslaved by a government illogically?

Do you mean that a farmer loosing his efforts in producing wheat because of famine or too much rain, is similar to the situation of a farmer loosing his fortunes because the government has restricted or prohibited a certain type of crop which he might have produced and created alot of wealth by doing so? Or because the government subsidized seeds failed?
 &lt;strong&gt; A free man uses his own mind to exploit the nature to use it in the most beneficial way he can find/discover/learn or invent, when I say &quot;exploit the nature&quot;, it definitely includes his own nature and his strength and deficiencies against the external nature. So even if free-will is just a perception, and man is essentially limited against the external constraints, still his own freedom and self-ownership against others is consistent and rational issue.&lt;/strong&gt;
A free man doesn&#039;t mean some thing free of nature as man himself is a part of nature, a free man essentially means an individual free of all other individual, not slave to anyone else, it is totally different from the issue you are trying to bring upon..Just because free-will is an intelectual concept, you cannot support slavery of certain people under some other person of group of person, you cannot support slavery of blacks, or browns under the dominion of whites etc, freedom means free domain of the individual in which, he is free of all other Individuals.

By the way if Bhagat singh had thought just like you moron, he might never have had tried to attain freedom of his own and his fellows because according toy ou man needs to be a slave. On the other hand, do you think britishers were not men? were they above men ? may be that is why they enslaved Indians isn&#039;t it? They were your gods. On similar lines, now the Indian government is your god as it enslaves all citizens partially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By the way &#8211; Do you have any logical/practical plans to get rid of govt. system from peoples lives?</p></blockquote>
<p>Logical does not necessarily means practical, many illogical and irrational things are in practice, Government and partial slavery of citizens under government is just an example, such illogical practices were always present, as for example, a few decades ago, people used to worship some goddess to get rid of smallpox instead of taking proper medicines and vaccinations. So illogical practices are practical most of the times(although futile and extremely dangerous). Government and partial slavery of citizens is another similar example of illogical practices. About getting rid of government and other similar irrationalities, inconsistencies and irregularities, the only way totally conbsistent with principle of non-aggression is the spread of knowledge, idea and rational of individual freedom and its benefits to the masses.</p>
<p>Anyways, I already have mentioned the logical and poractical idea of free society in the same article, but as always, you with your all illogical incapacities missed to read and understand it. <strong>I will be adding another article totally devoted to describe such a system</strong>, but even in this article, I did mentioned self-ownership (that is Lockean principle of Homstead) property rights and self-interest (that is randian principle of rational self-interest) Non-aggression axiom, that is Misean principle of non-initiation of violence) and distribution of labour as means of production, (that is principle of freedom, self-ownership and pursuit of happiness and peace).</p>
<p>I have mentioned all of those in the present article but you missed them, or may be you failed to understand them because of your limited knowledge, anyways, distribution of labour essentially multiplies knowledge, hence even though you are not an economist, or intellectual producer or philosopher, (that is the reason why you missed those points in this article) you will uderstand them by virtue of my labour in making another article to further explain all that.</p>
<blockquote><p>Again the question of being free ?  FREE WILL is just a perception but in reality it does not exist. </p></blockquote>
<p> If one wishes to live forever, as it is his free-will, freedom doesn&#8217;t mean that his irrational wishes should be fulfilled.  you even missed the first few paragraph of this article which clearly mentioned that self-ownership strictly means self-responsibility, and pursuit of happiness strictly means earning the happiness. Now you must understand that willing/desiring is not a physical concept, it is intellectual, you can desire anything, but actually earning it, that is physically attaining that desire is different thing, and although you are free to desire anything, and you are free to work for it to earn your desires and then enjoy it, you need to earn it, and that depends on your capabilities, so if you are capable of inventing some medicine or miracle which may make you live forever, you are free to do so. It is your responsibility to earn your desires, if you earn them, you are free to enjoy them, if you fail to earn them, <strong>go to hell</strong> as your failure is your responsibility, You will suffer your own Karma, not others the innocent tax-payers enslaved by your fradulent government. At present, government forces the mistakes of the siners on all the innocents collectively by means of compulsory taxation, subsidies, licensing, and ohh yea Bail Outs lol. Last year the Indian governed punished the honest hard working farmers who honestly paid back their loans, by announcing prices to the dishonest farmers who for their own mistakes or dishonesty failed to pay their loans back. Such slavery and steeling of incentive to produce and be honest won&#8217;t be possible in a free soceity, and it is totally practical and logical and reasonable.</p>
<blockquote><p>Humans and their decisions always coerced/influenced by various constraints/situations.</p></blockquote>
<p> Do you mean that a person being incapable of doing wqork because he is suffering with flu, or cancer or HIV, is similar to a person incapable of earning work because he is being enslaved by a government illogically?</p>
<p>Do you mean that a farmer loosing his efforts in producing wheat because of famine or too much rain, is similar to the situation of a farmer loosing his fortunes because the government has restricted or prohibited a certain type of crop which he might have produced and created alot of wealth by doing so? Or because the government subsidized seeds failed?<br />
 <strong> A free man uses his own mind to exploit the nature to use it in the most beneficial way he can find/discover/learn or invent, when I say &#8220;exploit the nature&#8221;, it definitely includes his own nature and his strength and deficiencies against the external nature. So even if free-will is just a perception, and man is essentially limited against the external constraints, still his own freedom and self-ownership against others is consistent and rational issue.</strong><br />
A free man doesn&#8217;t mean some thing free of nature as man himself is a part of nature, a free man essentially means an individual free of all other individual, not slave to anyone else, it is totally different from the issue you are trying to bring upon..Just because free-will is an intelectual concept, you cannot support slavery of certain people under some other person of group of person, you cannot support slavery of blacks, or browns under the dominion of whites etc, freedom means free domain of the individual in which, he is free of all other Individuals.</p>
<p>By the way if Bhagat singh had thought just like you moron, he might never have had tried to attain freedom of his own and his fellows because according toy ou man needs to be a slave. On the other hand, do you think britishers were not men? were they above men ? may be that is why they enslaved Indians isn&#8217;t it? They were your gods. On similar lines, now the Indian government is your god as it enslaves all citizens partially.</p>
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		<title>By: GP</title>
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		<dc:creator>GP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for example, an individual is free when he is free from threat of being murdered, robbed, beaten, assaulted, kidnapped, imprisoned or defrauded.
=&gt; I guess in that case nobody is or will become free :)

By the way - Do you have any logical/practical plans to get rid of govt. system from peoples lives?

Again the question of being free ?  FREE WILL is just a perception but in reality it does not exist.
Humans and their decisions always coerced/influenced by various constraints/situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for example, an individual is free when he is free from threat of being murdered, robbed, beaten, assaulted, kidnapped, imprisoned or defrauded.<br />
=&gt; I guess in that case nobody is or will become free <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>By the way &#8211; Do you have any logical/practical plans to get rid of govt. system from peoples lives?</p>
<p>Again the question of being free ?  FREE WILL is just a perception but in reality it does not exist.<br />
Humans and their decisions always coerced/influenced by various constraints/situations.</p>
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		<title>By: SP</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 09:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW, great article!</description>
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		<title>By: Rayalu</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah! The illusion of freedom.
If humans are capable of being responsible, why did we ever allow governments to come up in the first place?
I agree that every one needs to believe that he is free. But governments are inevitable. Even if we pull down all the governments in the world, I&#039;m certain that they would crop up again in no time, may be on a smaller level. We always tend to over estimate the virtues of all humans. Humans need governance. One look at a slaughterhouse tells us what humans are when there is no deterrence. If I continue, i will certainly come across as dogmatic. Hence, i stop here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah! The illusion of freedom.<br />
If humans are capable of being responsible, why did we ever allow governments to come up in the first place?<br />
I agree that every one needs to believe that he is free. But governments are inevitable. Even if we pull down all the governments in the world, I&#8217;m certain that they would crop up again in no time, may be on a smaller level. We always tend to over estimate the virtues of all humans. Humans need governance. One look at a slaughterhouse tells us what humans are when there is no deterrence. If I continue, i will certainly come across as dogmatic. Hence, i stop here.</p>
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		<title>By: Keshavcharan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm.. convinced with that airtel,reliance eg. I went into contemplation yesterday night while sleeping, reverse researched the problem, may be it had its roots since ages... the need to have a king to a kingdom ! Now its a paradox for me.. why was there a King ???.. may be he was a representative ! but why was he given the &#039;status&#039; of a &#039;king&#039; ? hes just a regional representative ! Thats what made PM, CM, prseident etc. the highest persons !!... Rather I&#039;ll give the highest status to someone like Ratan Tata or Vivekananda or CV Raman etc who stood as the backbone for this land !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm.. convinced with that airtel,reliance eg. I went into contemplation yesterday night while sleeping, reverse researched the problem, may be it had its roots since ages&#8230; the need to have a king to a kingdom ! Now its a paradox for me.. why was there a King ???.. may be he was a representative ! but why was he given the &#8216;status&#8217; of a &#8216;king&#8217; ? hes just a regional representative ! Thats what made PM, CM, prseident etc. the highest persons !!&#8230; Rather I&#8217;ll give the highest status to someone like Ratan Tata or Vivekananda or CV Raman etc who stood as the backbone for this land !</p>
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		<title>By: Gaurav</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 20:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hail liberty! But on my own personal exepereinece , I have realized that even those championig liberty in theories agree for a effective Government control, and quite interesting the reason most of teh time provided is that in such a society with no government control , the anti-socials will take control and take advantage of this so called liberal structure. And here lies the gist , this impending danger of being overtaken by savages of our society is not an effect of a thought process of evolving from a Independent society but effect of a society roosted in imperialism , slavery , socialism and fascism. They always say a completely liberal society will run riot as has happened in past.Throughout civillazation , the greatest prepoterness were done by people who fortunately or unfortunately were awarded with cause to have an impact , and then what tehy did was created followers and not independent individuals, who were always vulnerable to be manipulated by someone or other. And d basic laws of doctoring others breed ver the grounds that promise fear , an unknown one, and as it&#039;s so , an unknown fear , the reason for being accepting government control, an unknown which is of from people who doh&#039;t even form 15 of population and yet compell 99% to accept govt. control, and quite sordidly or aptly , dese 99% never realize dese governmnet control had only always in past allowed this 1% to have such an impact , because By no other way but through Govt. control such a minority can manipulate the majority</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hail liberty! But on my own personal exepereinece , I have realized that even those championig liberty in theories agree for a effective Government control, and quite interesting the reason most of teh time provided is that in such a society with no government control , the anti-socials will take control and take advantage of this so called liberal structure. And here lies the gist , this impending danger of being overtaken by savages of our society is not an effect of a thought process of evolving from a Independent society but effect of a society roosted in imperialism , slavery , socialism and fascism. They always say a completely liberal society will run riot as has happened in past.Throughout civillazation , the greatest prepoterness were done by people who fortunately or unfortunately were awarded with cause to have an impact , and then what tehy did was created followers and not independent individuals, who were always vulnerable to be manipulated by someone or other. And d basic laws of doctoring others breed ver the grounds that promise fear , an unknown one, and as it&#8217;s so , an unknown fear , the reason for being accepting government control, an unknown which is of from people who doh&#8217;t even form 15 of population and yet compell 99% to accept govt. control, and quite sordidly or aptly , dese 99% never realize dese governmnet control had only always in past allowed this 1% to have such an impact , because By no other way but through Govt. control such a minority can manipulate the majority</p>
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		<title>By: renegade_division</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Keshavcharan said:&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;In some way, one has to depend on others for any kind of raw materials for anything etc.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You don&#039;t have to give up your freedom just because you need some raw materials, do you? Are you saying that the only way world can give me raw materials and I can give world my products is through a coercive relationship?



&lt;blockquote&gt;Let it be government.. a common entity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why shouldn&#039;t we have govt(a common entity) provide us food? Why not govt provide us telephones too(sure I miss the DoT days, when it took  months even years before a phone line was installed). Why not have a common entity provide us airlines(I miss the days when only super elites could travel in Indian Airways).

If common entities (over non-common entities like we have in every privatized sector) are so good why not have it in every field? Sure govt does a damn good job of providing us with everything.



&lt;blockquote&gt;Thats why democracy was establisehed. Its in our hands to elect our own representative.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tell me something, if you want your cell company to give you free sms (say only Airtel provides that services), and I want low STD charges (say only Reliance provides that plan), do we vote on which one to choose and then if we choose airtel(or Reliance) then we both choose airtel(or Reliance)? No we don&#039;t vote and elect our area cell phone representative(or we don&#039;t elect an MLA who hires an area phone representative, like it use to happen in DoT days). Instead you vote with your money, and I vote with my money, and we both get what we want.

On the other hand, if you want a railway line from Mangalore to Bangalore, and I want a railway line from Hyderabad to Tirupati, then we both must vote for a representative who will be elected based on majority vote(which would be either mine or yours, but not both) then he will depending upon who got him into the power, will choose to build Mangalore-Bangalore railway track or Hyderabad -Tirupati railway track.
Why because this is how govt works. We both elect a common representative, and he takes your money and my money, he does whatever majority wants. No system can be worse than this, because the lines of majority and minority aren&#039;t that loud and clear. Also this creates a system where religion, region, caste, politics is played. I mean you really think Mangalore-Bangalore railway track should be build so you will rally the people of Karnataka on the grounds that this is good for your region, and since there are more people in your region, govt spends massive amount of money with a lot of wastage to build Mangalore-Bangalore railway track.

You wonder why people have made these leaders &#039;demigods&#039;?? Because these leaders can only get power and that is through manipulating people. And you need power even if you think you just wanna do good things. Say if you think you are a &#039;good guy&#039;, who thinks we must build Tirupath-Hyd line, and there is another good guy who wants a Mang-Bang line, you both need to come into the power, how can Mang-Bang guy come into power if Tirupati-Hyd is rallying people of Andhra with him, and how can Andhra guy come in power when Karnataka guy is rallying Kannada people.

Since both of them think they are the good guys, the Andhra guy plays Lord Venkateshwara guy card and says &#039; Lord Vanketeshwara came in my dream last night and he wanted a Tirupati-Hyd line&#039;. And now even the Kannadiga people are with the Andhra guy and Karnataka guy looses the election.
The Andhra guy becomes the Demi-god.

And you think &#039;People made these leaders demigod&#039;?? They are demigods because we have the system where only one thing can take place. So everybody rushes to get the power to decide what this one thing is going to be. Whether you are good or bad, you WANT to be that &#039;Demigod&#039; leader, because if you are bad then you just want to be that powerful, but even if you are good, you still wanna be the &#039;demigod&#039; because you wanna do good, and without being a demigod you can&#039;t do those things.

Irrespective of how much you want people to change or become educated, the &#039;competition of democracy&#039; ensures that the guy making the most ridiculous promises gets all the vote.

The solution: Freedom! Free the people from the burden of choosing what&#039;s good for everyone, but just give the liberty of choosing what&#039;s best for themselves. You will find all the problems of democracy, corruption, regional and religious strife, fading away. This is the beauty of the freedom that not only it is the most moral thing to do, it is also the most beneficial thing to do.

So how come we don&#039;t have freedom? How come the best solution is so buried deep down our minds? Because the govt(whose sole existence relies on us not having the freedom) has managed to make us believe that &#039;we are the govt&#039;, and &#039;if the govt is bad it is because we are bad&#039;, and &#039;freedom is bad, look how wall street in America screwed things with freedom&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Keshavcharan said:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p>In some way, one has to depend on others for any kind of raw materials for anything etc.</p></blockquote>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to give up your freedom just because you need some raw materials, do you? Are you saying that the only way world can give me raw materials and I can give world my products is through a coercive relationship?</p>
<blockquote><p>Let it be government.. a common entity.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t we have govt(a common entity) provide us food? Why not govt provide us telephones too(sure I miss the DoT days, when it took  months even years before a phone line was installed). Why not have a common entity provide us airlines(I miss the days when only super elites could travel in Indian Airways).</p>
<p>If common entities (over non-common entities like we have in every privatized sector) are so good why not have it in every field? Sure govt does a damn good job of providing us with everything.</p>
<blockquote><p>Thats why democracy was establisehed. Its in our hands to elect our own representative.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tell me something, if you want your cell company to give you free sms (say only Airtel provides that services), and I want low STD charges (say only Reliance provides that plan), do we vote on which one to choose and then if we choose airtel(or Reliance) then we both choose airtel(or Reliance)? No we don&#8217;t vote and elect our area cell phone representative(or we don&#8217;t elect an MLA who hires an area phone representative, like it use to happen in DoT days). Instead you vote with your money, and I vote with my money, and we both get what we want.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you want a railway line from Mangalore to Bangalore, and I want a railway line from Hyderabad to Tirupati, then we both must vote for a representative who will be elected based on majority vote(which would be either mine or yours, but not both) then he will depending upon who got him into the power, will choose to build Mangalore-Bangalore railway track or Hyderabad -Tirupati railway track.<br />
Why because this is how govt works. We both elect a common representative, and he takes your money and my money, he does whatever majority wants. No system can be worse than this, because the lines of majority and minority aren&#8217;t that loud and clear. Also this creates a system where religion, region, caste, politics is played. I mean you really think Mangalore-Bangalore railway track should be build so you will rally the people of Karnataka on the grounds that this is good for your region, and since there are more people in your region, govt spends massive amount of money with a lot of wastage to build Mangalore-Bangalore railway track.</p>
<p>You wonder why people have made these leaders &#8216;demigods&#8217;?? Because these leaders can only get power and that is through manipulating people. And you need power even if you think you just wanna do good things. Say if you think you are a &#8216;good guy&#8217;, who thinks we must build Tirupath-Hyd line, and there is another good guy who wants a Mang-Bang line, you both need to come into the power, how can Mang-Bang guy come into power if Tirupati-Hyd is rallying people of Andhra with him, and how can Andhra guy come in power when Karnataka guy is rallying Kannada people.</p>
<p>Since both of them think they are the good guys, the Andhra guy plays Lord Venkateshwara guy card and says &#8216; Lord Vanketeshwara came in my dream last night and he wanted a Tirupati-Hyd line&#8217;. And now even the Kannadiga people are with the Andhra guy and Karnataka guy looses the election.<br />
The Andhra guy becomes the Demi-god.</p>
<p>And you think &#8216;People made these leaders demigod&#8217;?? They are demigods because we have the system where only one thing can take place. So everybody rushes to get the power to decide what this one thing is going to be. Whether you are good or bad, you WANT to be that &#8216;Demigod&#8217; leader, because if you are bad then you just want to be that powerful, but even if you are good, you still wanna be the &#8216;demigod&#8217; because you wanna do good, and without being a demigod you can&#8217;t do those things.</p>
<p>Irrespective of how much you want people to change or become educated, the &#8216;competition of democracy&#8217; ensures that the guy making the most ridiculous promises gets all the vote.</p>
<p>The solution: Freedom! Free the people from the burden of choosing what&#8217;s good for everyone, but just give the liberty of choosing what&#8217;s best for themselves. You will find all the problems of democracy, corruption, regional and religious strife, fading away. This is the beauty of the freedom that not only it is the most moral thing to do, it is also the most beneficial thing to do.</p>
<p>So how come we don&#8217;t have freedom? How come the best solution is so buried deep down our minds? Because the govt(whose sole existence relies on us not having the freedom) has managed to make us believe that &#8216;we are the govt&#8217;, and &#8216;if the govt is bad it is because we are bad&#8217;, and &#8216;freedom is bad, look how wall street in America screwed things with freedom&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Because eventhough everybody is independent. In some way, one has to depend on others for any kind of raw materials for anything etc&lt;/em&gt;

Well Keshav, Any individual can produce (or provide services of somekind for production) one (or a  few) entity for the market . on the other hand, other individuals produce/provides other entities and facilities, and they then exchange their products and servies to fulfill all needs and possible desires of each other, this is mutually agrreed upon dealing based on self-interest.
There should be freedom for Individuals to make such independent decisions to have free dealing, without thje intervention of government.

It wasn&#039;t hard to understand the article, but I guess you missed the article completely in that sense.

Why let it be government?

Why cannot you decide for what you want? Why should not you decide who provide it for you? You do not ned government to dictate you how to fulfill your all needs and appropriate desires, do you?
Nope nobody needs that. Infact intervention of government only makes things scarce as it increases the wastage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Because eventhough everybody is independent. In some way, one has to depend on others for any kind of raw materials for anything etc</em></p>
<p>Well Keshav, Any individual can produce (or provide services of somekind for production) one (or a  few) entity for the market . on the other hand, other individuals produce/provides other entities and facilities, and they then exchange their products and servies to fulfill all needs and possible desires of each other, this is mutually agrreed upon dealing based on self-interest.<br />
There should be freedom for Individuals to make such independent decisions to have free dealing, without thje intervention of government.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t hard to understand the article, but I guess you missed the article completely in that sense.</p>
<p>Why let it be government?</p>
<p>Why cannot you decide for what you want? Why should not you decide who provide it for you? You do not ned government to dictate you how to fulfill your all needs and appropriate desires, do you?<br />
Nope nobody needs that. Infact intervention of government only makes things scarce as it increases the wastage.</p>
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		<title>By: Keshavcharan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont agree totally. Because eventhough everybody is independent. In some way, one has to depend on others for any kind of raw materials for anything etc. so one needs a resource getter, a city needs a design plan. Let it be government.. a common entity. Thats why democracy was establisehed. Its in our hands to elect our own representative. With numerous representatives, the system has changed now. Competetion has made the party system a success failure business. People have made these &#039;leaders&#039; demigods. They have become the worst hypocrites and inturn resulted in a vicious circle. This world won&#039;t run only when one stops doing one&#039;s job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont agree totally. Because eventhough everybody is independent. In some way, one has to depend on others for any kind of raw materials for anything etc. so one needs a resource getter, a city needs a design plan. Let it be government.. a common entity. Thats why democracy was establisehed. Its in our hands to elect our own representative. With numerous representatives, the system has changed now. Competetion has made the party system a success failure business. People have made these &#8216;leaders&#8217; demigods. They have become the worst hypocrites and inturn resulted in a vicious circle. This world won&#8217;t run only when one stops doing one&#8217;s job.</p>
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		<title>By: gopi</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>couldn&#039;t agree with you more... Govt should keep it&#039;s hands off the entire economic system.But I&#039;d also like to hear ur views on defence &amp; security - ie whether Govt is needed for it or you are in favour of private defence agencies. I had asked Shanu (aka deadmanoncampus) to write an article on that.. but couldnt find it in this site. We had a debate on it long back; but I&#039;m not convinced of his idea. Would definitely like to hear what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>couldn&#8217;t agree with you more&#8230; Govt should keep it&#8217;s hands off the entire economic system.But I&#8217;d also like to hear ur views on defence &amp; security &#8211; ie whether Govt is needed for it or you are in favour of private defence agencies. I had asked Shanu (aka deadmanoncampus) to write an article on that.. but couldnt find it in this site. We had a debate on it long back; but I&#8217;m not convinced of his idea. Would definitely like to hear what you think.</p>
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