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		<title>By: Nisha</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-5047</link>
		<dc:creator>Nisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Sep 2010 05:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>talking about love , any love wether its romantic or love due to some bonds are just reflections of your soul, bascically we associate lust to love , but lust is something which is purely physical , but do you think true love between  a man woman can exist without sex , is it possible , sex is something which is performed by body , just like an kiss , its how your organs connect to the other body , if noticed we can understand sexual pleasure cannot achieved in a disturbed mind .I have loved , married , lost faith , and mended my love , but truly speaking , i should say love also depletes with time . So my thought to love is that it is dynaic in mature susceptible to change , so heart breaks occuring to people are quite natural andthey should not give up life , becoz life is too precious to waste for something which is not a constant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>talking about love , any love wether its romantic or love due to some bonds are just reflections of your soul, bascically we associate lust to love , but lust is something which is purely physical , but do you think true love between  a man woman can exist without sex , is it possible , sex is something which is performed by body , just like an kiss , its how your organs connect to the other body , if noticed we can understand sexual pleasure cannot achieved in a disturbed mind .I have loved , married , lost faith , and mended my love , but truly speaking , i should say love also depletes with time . So my thought to love is that it is dynaic in mature susceptible to change , so heart breaks occuring to people are quite natural andthey should not give up life , becoz life is too precious to waste for something which is not a constant</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-3889</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 11:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes you can use any part of this article</description>
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		<title>By: voip nigeria</title>
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		<dc:creator>voip nigeria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2010 03:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I use some excerpts of this information for my reports, I will provide a link back to you, let me know please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I use some excerpts of this information for my reports, I will provide a link back to you, let me know please</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1758</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 06:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Madan
Love can be selfish only and nothing else. It is a selfish feeling. You love someone because you feel he/she is of worth of personal importance for you, and that importance is selfishness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Madan<br />
Love can be selfish only and nothing else. It is a selfish feeling. You love someone because you feel he/she is of worth of personal importance for you, and that importance is selfishness.</p>
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		<title>By: Madan</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1757</link>
		<dc:creator>Madan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಬಿರುಗಾಳಿಯಲ್ಲ,
ಅದು ತಂಪ ಸೂಸುವ ತಂಗಾಳಿ

ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಜ್ವಾಲಾಮುಖಿಯಲ್ಲ,
ಬೆಳಕ ನೀಡುವ ಅಂತರ್ ಜ್ಯೋತಿ

ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಗಿಜಿಗುಡುವ ಜನಜಂಗುಳಿಯಲ್ಲ,
ಶಾಂತಿ ಸಾರುವ ಬೆಟ್ಟದ ತಪ್ಪಲು

ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಸುಖದ ಅಮಲು,
ಹೂವಿನಾ ಗಮಲು, ಕಾರಣ ನಗಲು

ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಎಲ್ಲವೂ,
ಎಲ್ಲದೊರಳೊಗಿನ ಎಲ್ಲವೂ ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಬಿರುಗಾಳಿಯಲ್ಲ,<br />
ಅದು ತಂಪ ಸೂಸುವ ತಂಗಾಳಿ</p>
<p>ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಜ್ವಾಲಾಮುಖಿಯಲ್ಲ,<br />
ಬೆಳಕ ನೀಡುವ ಅಂತರ್ ಜ್ಯೋತಿ</p>
<p>ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಗಿಜಿಗುಡುವ ಜನಜಂಗುಳಿಯಲ್ಲ,<br />
ಶಾಂತಿ ಸಾರುವ ಬೆಟ್ಟದ ತಪ್ಪಲು</p>
<p>ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಸುಖದ ಅಮಲು,<br />
ಹೂವಿನಾ ಗಮಲು, ಕಾರಣ ನಗಲು</p>
<p>ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆಂದರೆ ಎಲ್ಲವೂ,<br />
ಎಲ್ಲದೊರಳೊಗಿನ ಎಲ್ಲವೂ ಪ್ರೀತಿಯೆ</p>
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		<title>By: Madan</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1756</link>
		<dc:creator>Madan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How a love can be a selfish? A lovers can be but not a love. If a male and female, who are not selfish loves each other , then how can we say that the love between them is selfish. If mother theresa loves somebody means how that great soul becomes selfish.

The love itself is a non selfish. It is the ray of hope for one who lost hope in life. It is the happiness, It is everything. We the new generation are behind the money, dignity, status, wealth and behind all which are dead and don&#039;t give not even a little bit satisfaction.
   In love we will get everything,
If you say love as a poison, and
I say we need it to make the anti venom.
If you say love as a selfish, and
I say we need it to make the whole world live with peace. If you say its all waste of time, and
I say we need it to show why we need the time.
If you say believe a snake but not a love, and
I say We need it to take a love as option to die
rather than to die with the snake bite.

Love is a god, whether it is the first love or last love , love everybody, atleast love somebody, make your heart less weight, and you light weight.

   She did teach me the love lesson, who is ten years younger than me in age, but 1000 years elder than me in love. I am first standard still, but she is Ph.d even though she failed her exam in a school.

Any how I love myself, I love her, I love everyone, I love my country, I love the whole universe. As a Human, it is my responsibility to love.

ILoveU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How a love can be a selfish? A lovers can be but not a love. If a male and female, who are not selfish loves each other , then how can we say that the love between them is selfish. If mother theresa loves somebody means how that great soul becomes selfish.</p>
<p>The love itself is a non selfish. It is the ray of hope for one who lost hope in life. It is the happiness, It is everything. We the new generation are behind the money, dignity, status, wealth and behind all which are dead and don&#8217;t give not even a little bit satisfaction.<br />
   In love we will get everything,<br />
If you say love as a poison, and<br />
I say we need it to make the anti venom.<br />
If you say love as a selfish, and<br />
I say we need it to make the whole world live with peace. If you say its all waste of time, and<br />
I say we need it to show why we need the time.<br />
If you say believe a snake but not a love, and<br />
I say We need it to take a love as option to die<br />
rather than to die with the snake bite.</p>
<p>Love is a god, whether it is the first love or last love , love everybody, atleast love somebody, make your heart less weight, and you light weight.</p>
<p>   She did teach me the love lesson, who is ten years younger than me in age, but 1000 years elder than me in love. I am first standard still, but she is Ph.d even though she failed her exam in a school.</p>
<p>Any how I love myself, I love her, I love everyone, I love my country, I love the whole universe. As a Human, it is my responsibility to love.</p>
<p>ILoveU</p>
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		<title>By: Abhijeet</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1755</link>
		<dc:creator>Abhijeet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think love is selfish.</description>
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		<title>By: G W</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1754</link>
		<dc:creator>G W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

dictionary definition: Selfless - &quot;putting other people&#039;s needs first&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.</p>
<p>dictionary definition: Selfless &#8211; &#8220;putting other people&#8217;s needs first&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gaurav</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>gaurav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really  feel most of the people in this world has become too much conditioned to lead  a self-deprecating life, Most of the people in this world can&#039;t agree to this fact that they are selfish because that may lead to downgrading of their worth in someone Else&#039;s eyes,There can be only one way in which one can lead his life,i.e,by being selfish,any other way means that he did whatever not for himself,i.e.,he is not liable for any benefits that he/she may be getting, i hope all you altruist agree with me, and so next time a mother covering her baby&#039;s face must feel sinful if she drives pleasure in doing something for her children.O.K. world.
And yes nice article, And Reading it  i felt even I love you in purely selfish way, lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really  feel most of the people in this world has become too much conditioned to lead  a self-deprecating life, Most of the people in this world can&#8217;t agree to this fact that they are selfish because that may lead to downgrading of their worth in someone Else&#8217;s eyes,There can be only one way in which one can lead his life,i.e,by being selfish,any other way means that he did whatever not for himself,i.e.,he is not liable for any benefits that he/she may be getting, i hope all you altruist agree with me, and so next time a mother covering her baby&#8217;s face must feel sinful if she drives pleasure in doing something for her children.O.K. world.<br />
And yes nice article, And Reading it  i felt even I love you in purely selfish way, lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1752</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 04:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are welcome, and definitely I would like to read your views. Keep visiting in here:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are welcome, and definitely I would like to read your views. Keep visiting in here:)</p>
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		<title>By: rachita</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1751</link>
		<dc:creator>rachita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm.... seems to be some communication gap. What all you wrote here was not new to me, in the sense that these are &quot;facts&quot; and i agree to all of these already, neways when I find that &quot;one fact&quot; that answers it all I will paste in my blog. I would like to send you the link then,do read it. Neways keep blogging you are doing a good job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230;. seems to be some communication gap. What all you wrote here was not new to me, in the sense that these are &#8220;facts&#8221; and i agree to all of these already, neways when I find that &#8220;one fact&#8221; that answers it all I will paste in my blog. I would like to send you the link then,do read it. Neways keep blogging you are doing a good job.</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1750</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically you are talking of Hank Readern. you are talking about a man trapped in relation with a woman who despises him for his values, for his existence and want him to get rid of his own values.
For a time being, the couple may enjoy the sexual satisfaction, it will fade away.
Then the couple may keep bearing the burden of the relation in a tight situation causing various difficult moments for each other. They may try to make their relation better, if both of them succeeds a proper way to adjust with each other, they may live together, otherwise even living together will become difficult for them.

Whenever the man will get the right person to admire and appreciate, he will appreciate and feel his emotional love and needs be fulfilled by that other person. its not necessary he may ever come in relation with that other person, but he will admire him more than the girl with whom he is forcibly attached and not by will.

Anyways, I am sure I answered this question already in the original post.

Please have a look at it again, it says--


&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;One falls in love with the personification of the values that formed a person’s character, which are reflected in his most important goals or not-so-noticeable gestures, which create the style of his soul—the individual style of a unique, unrepeatable, matchless perception. We select the person, and we chose him. Our own sense of life and existence makes it possible for us to choose our friends, our love-mate, our partners.
If love is blind, if love can be just selfless, something, which we cannot discriminate for, which, we can squander along with all equally, than why doesn’t such love stay? As soon as we come to realize that the person we mistakenly fell in love with, is wrong, undeserving, corrupt or mischievous, we start feeling repulsion.
We may make mistakes in choosing the right friends, lover, mates; we commit various mistakes in emotional recognition because the sense of existence, the sense of our own most loved values is not a cognitive guide. Yet, we keep evaluating the person. We keep rationalizing, we use mind to find out if the sudden sort of love we feel for a person is right or not right, if the person deserves it or he does not.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


The man may try to provide an environment where the girl may reach her own existence. Objectivism cannot be taught or indoctrinated. People need to use their own mind by their own self. No one can force someone to use mind and rationalize things and activities, at least not an Objectivist can force anyone. Liberty means non-aggression, non-indoctrination. He may argue, he may discuss and debate on various issues putting up various reason. But it depends on how much he values the girl. Is she worth investing time? If she worth it, he will invest his time on her, otherwise, he will either accept her as an obligation unworthy, or he will leave her.

One more thing, if the person is getting involved with a girl just because of his unreasonable sexual compulsions, than it signifies that his ability to act reasonably was weak. And thus, the suffering of an unwanted relation for him becomes his punishment.

if sexual compulsions are so strong over reason, than what will stop him from raping the girl if she is not ready for sex?

So basically the person you are talking os can never be Objectivist if he is falling for just sexual compulsions.

yes he may change and become a rationalist an objectivist later on. In your story, none is objectivist, neither girl nor man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically you are talking of Hank Readern. you are talking about a man trapped in relation with a woman who despises him for his values, for his existence and want him to get rid of his own values.<br />
For a time being, the couple may enjoy the sexual satisfaction, it will fade away.<br />
Then the couple may keep bearing the burden of the relation in a tight situation causing various difficult moments for each other. They may try to make their relation better, if both of them succeeds a proper way to adjust with each other, they may live together, otherwise even living together will become difficult for them.</p>
<p>Whenever the man will get the right person to admire and appreciate, he will appreciate and feel his emotional love and needs be fulfilled by that other person. its not necessary he may ever come in relation with that other person, but he will admire him more than the girl with whom he is forcibly attached and not by will.</p>
<p>Anyways, I am sure I answered this question already in the original post.</p>
<p>Please have a look at it again, it says&#8211;</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>One falls in love with the personification of the values that formed a person’s character, which are reflected in his most important goals or not-so-noticeable gestures, which create the style of his soul—the individual style of a unique, unrepeatable, matchless perception. We select the person, and we chose him. Our own sense of life and existence makes it possible for us to choose our friends, our love-mate, our partners.<br />
If love is blind, if love can be just selfless, something, which we cannot discriminate for, which, we can squander along with all equally, than why doesn’t such love stay? As soon as we come to realize that the person we mistakenly fell in love with, is wrong, undeserving, corrupt or mischievous, we start feeling repulsion.<br />
We may make mistakes in choosing the right friends, lover, mates; we commit various mistakes in emotional recognition because the sense of existence, the sense of our own most loved values is not a cognitive guide. Yet, we keep evaluating the person. We keep rationalizing, we use mind to find out if the sudden sort of love we feel for a person is right or not right, if the person deserves it or he does not.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>The man may try to provide an environment where the girl may reach her own existence. Objectivism cannot be taught or indoctrinated. People need to use their own mind by their own self. No one can force someone to use mind and rationalize things and activities, at least not an Objectivist can force anyone. Liberty means non-aggression, non-indoctrination. He may argue, he may discuss and debate on various issues putting up various reason. But it depends on how much he values the girl. Is she worth investing time? If she worth it, he will invest his time on her, otherwise, he will either accept her as an obligation unworthy, or he will leave her.</p>
<p>One more thing, if the person is getting involved with a girl just because of his unreasonable sexual compulsions, than it signifies that his ability to act reasonably was weak. And thus, the suffering of an unwanted relation for him becomes his punishment.</p>
<p>if sexual compulsions are so strong over reason, than what will stop him from raping the girl if she is not ready for sex?</p>
<p>So basically the person you are talking os can never be Objectivist if he is falling for just sexual compulsions.</p>
<p>yes he may change and become a rationalist an objectivist later on. In your story, none is objectivist, neither girl nor man.</p>
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		<title>By: rachita</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1749</link>
		<dc:creator>rachita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my still did not get my answer......
Ok let&#039;s leave apart looks for a moment because they can&#039;nt form a lasting value,take this:
An objective person comes in contact with  a stranger (who happened to be drop-dead gorgeous,I am mentioning it here again because this may be the very first cause of attraction) and the objective partner had no inkling of what the stranger holds as his values except that they both shared a common sense-of-life,untill they go on a date and discuss their views about life .After talking to him for sometime the objective partner feels that the stranger saw only the dark side of life till now and decides to introduce him to objectivism once before taking back the benefit-of -doubt he had showered on the stranger till now.Time passes by,the stranger  really starts getting interested in objectivist writings and also starts showing positive changes.He values his objectivist partner a lot and does&#039;nt want to leave him.While all this is happening, they start getting physically close and the objective partner really enjoys the physical intimacy with the stranger(which he never could enjoy with any other person,also the objective partner had a history of child abuse and the stranger helped him come out of it very beautifully).Everything is working fine but somewhere inside the bottom of the heart the objectivist partner still has a doubt about making out with the stranger,but the stranger feels either they should take their physical intimacy to the level of intersourse or they should not get physically intimate at all.However both of the partners are not sure if they will stay together with each other for a life time.Now in this case what should the 
objective partner be doing?As the objective partner feels sex is the celebration of values which the stranger is still on the process of inculcating and the objective partner does&#039;nt want make out with anybody without making sure that the person values objectivism the same way he does.
A long story indeed,but this scenario has really been hitting my head for long now so I thought I should share it with people  around the world because I believe discussing things always widens your thinking horizons and sometimes makes you loook at things through an entirely new angle......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my still did not get my answer&#8230;&#8230;<br />
Ok let&#8217;s leave apart looks for a moment because they can&#8217;nt form a lasting value,take this:<br />
An objective person comes in contact with  a stranger (who happened to be drop-dead gorgeous,I am mentioning it here again because this may be the very first cause of attraction) and the objective partner had no inkling of what the stranger holds as his values except that they both shared a common sense-of-life,untill they go on a date and discuss their views about life .After talking to him for sometime the objective partner feels that the stranger saw only the dark side of life till now and decides to introduce him to objectivism once before taking back the benefit-of -doubt he had showered on the stranger till now.Time passes by,the stranger  really starts getting interested in objectivist writings and also starts showing positive changes.He values his objectivist partner a lot and does&#8217;nt want to leave him.While all this is happening, they start getting physically close and the objective partner really enjoys the physical intimacy with the stranger(which he never could enjoy with any other person,also the objective partner had a history of child abuse and the stranger helped him come out of it very beautifully).Everything is working fine but somewhere inside the bottom of the heart the objectivist partner still has a doubt about making out with the stranger,but the stranger feels either they should take their physical intimacy to the level of intersourse or they should not get physically intimate at all.However both of the partners are not sure if they will stay together with each other for a life time.Now in this case what should the <br />
objective partner be doing?As the objective partner feels sex is the celebration of values which the stranger is still on the process of inculcating and the objective partner does&#8217;nt want make out with anybody without making sure that the person values objectivism the same way he does.<br />
A long story indeed,but this scenario has really been hitting my head for long now so I thought I should share it with people  around the world because I believe discussing things always widens your thinking horizons and sometimes makes you loook at things through an entirely new angle&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 09:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Rachita, I guess you are confused about Objectivism. Objectivism means to be objective, to be clear, to do or act objectiviely, confidently, and reasonably. That is, if some girl falls for a good looking guy, and she falls for him only for his looks or the sexual pleasure he may provide, she should know HER intentions clearly and should not confuse her emotionally. There&#039;s nothing wrong in sexual pleasure. Yet, sexual pleasure is the most dignified expression of love. So, obviously one looks for the best person providing enough worth for one&#039;s own values and morals to coalesce with sexually.
That is, if a girl goes for sexual pleasure with a man who is good looking, but he may be a most debauched prankster, criminal mystique masquerader, than she must be confirmed than she herself won&#039;t start acting illegal, criminal immoral, unreasonable alongwith him. Her values are the most expensive asset she have.

But why are we discussing this?

Why not consider this, a Judge has to decide a criminal case of rape. The accused rapist is his own son, and the accuser is the daughter of his rival, his enemy.

What should the judge do? Should he help the girl gaining justice? Or should he help his son to ditch justice and be freed inspite of being the criminal?

a&gt; if the judge gives proper justice, it means he is selfish enough towards his ethics, morals and justice to give up is love for his own son.

b&gt; If the judge falls for love of his son, and denounces law, helps his son to get rid of charges, it means he is selfish, and he values his love for his son more than His duty, his ethics and morals and justice.

In both cases, the judge is selfish, and in both cases judge evaluates his love for different sets. An Objectivist is the first one, because he goes for reason he promotes the objectivity of rights and justice.
In second case, the judge is subjective. he changes his morals and ethics and right of justice with situation., if in palce of his son, some other person have been accused, the judge might have given right justice morally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Rachita, I guess you are confused about Objectivism. Objectivism means to be objective, to be clear, to do or act objectiviely, confidently, and reasonably. That is, if some girl falls for a good looking guy, and she falls for him only for his looks or the sexual pleasure he may provide, she should know HER intentions clearly and should not confuse her emotionally. There&#8217;s nothing wrong in sexual pleasure. Yet, sexual pleasure is the most dignified expression of love. So, obviously one looks for the best person providing enough worth for one&#8217;s own values and morals to coalesce with sexually.<br />
That is, if a girl goes for sexual pleasure with a man who is good looking, but he may be a most debauched prankster, criminal mystique masquerader, than she must be confirmed than she herself won&#8217;t start acting illegal, criminal immoral, unreasonable alongwith him. Her values are the most expensive asset she have.</p>
<p>But why are we discussing this?</p>
<p>Why not consider this, a Judge has to decide a criminal case of rape. The accused rapist is his own son, and the accuser is the daughter of his rival, his enemy.</p>
<p>What should the judge do? Should he help the girl gaining justice? Or should he help his son to ditch justice and be freed inspite of being the criminal?</p>
<p>a&gt; if the judge gives proper justice, it means he is selfish enough towards his ethics, morals and justice to give up is love for his own son.</p>
<p>b&gt; If the judge falls for love of his son, and denounces law, helps his son to get rid of charges, it means he is selfish, and he values his love for his son more than His duty, his ethics and morals and justice.</p>
<p>In both cases, the judge is selfish, and in both cases judge evaluates his love for different sets. An Objectivist is the first one, because he goes for reason he promotes the objectivity of rights and justice.<br />
In second case, the judge is subjective. he changes his morals and ethics and right of justice with situation., if in palce of his son, some other person have been accused, the judge might have given right justice morally.</p>
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		<title>By: rachita</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1747</link>
		<dc:creator>rachita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it possible that you fall for somebody&#039;s physical appearance first but later you find that you too also think alike though not exactly but in the sense that one person&#039;s views about objectivism starts influencing the other one ; in this case is it proper to have a sexual relationship when one partner who  is an hard core objectivist is not sure about the objective future of the other partner who is  just a  starter,though he may turn towards objectivism later but for now he is just a good looking guy who is reading about objectivism...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it possible that you fall for somebody&#8217;s physical appearance first but later you find that you too also think alike though not exactly but in the sense that one person&#8217;s views about objectivism starts influencing the other one ; in this case is it proper to have a sexual relationship when one partner who  is an hard core objectivist is not sure about the objective future of the other partner who is  just a  starter,though he may turn towards objectivism later but for now he is just a good looking guy who is reading about objectivism&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1746</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not propagating anything. I just express myself here.

Yet you are proving my point in every essence of it. There is no mystery in selfishness, it is a fact of life. Without being selfish, life cannot sustain.

Although I can agree that some are unable to understand what life is, and they term it mystery. Coincidentally, many fails to understand quantum mechanics too, and they call it mysterious too.

it is your problem if you cannot explain even a single instance of your life when you were not selfish(except when you are unconscious or you are dead). Still you if you wanna claim that your love is NOT selfish or not-so-selfish love, than keep loving not-selfishly and try to understand what do you really mean to say when you say you love but its not selfish love? that you love someone, but it is not you who gains anything from loving a person? No gain no satisfaction, no feeling of pleasure, no feeling of worth. Yet you love them irrespective of the fact that they propagates nothing which is valuable for you. You love them irrespective of the fact that they provide you no satisfaction, no pleasure, no feeling of goodness no calmness.

I simply cannot love like that I value I love my sense of existence (selfishness) much more than anything else.

&lt;strong&gt;When I say i love someone, I mean that that person is valuable for me, that I admire him, that he is precious for me, that he exhibits the ideals the virtues I seek in a man, that I feel i am enlightened by happiness and pleasure when I am with him.&lt;/strong&gt; And I know when I say that, I mean that, because My love is precious for me, it is not selfless, it is not waste, it exists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not propagating anything. I just express myself here.</p>
<p>Yet you are proving my point in every essence of it. There is no mystery in selfishness, it is a fact of life. Without being selfish, life cannot sustain.</p>
<p>Although I can agree that some are unable to understand what life is, and they term it mystery. Coincidentally, many fails to understand quantum mechanics too, and they call it mysterious too.</p>
<p>it is your problem if you cannot explain even a single instance of your life when you were not selfish(except when you are unconscious or you are dead). Still you if you wanna claim that your love is NOT selfish or not-so-selfish love, than keep loving not-selfishly and try to understand what do you really mean to say when you say you love but its not selfish love? that you love someone, but it is not you who gains anything from loving a person? No gain no satisfaction, no feeling of pleasure, no feeling of worth. Yet you love them irrespective of the fact that they propagates nothing which is valuable for you. You love them irrespective of the fact that they provide you no satisfaction, no pleasure, no feeling of goodness no calmness.</p>
<p>I simply cannot love like that I value I love my sense of existence (selfishness) much more than anything else.</p>
<p><strong>When I say i love someone, I mean that that person is valuable for me, that I admire him, that he is precious for me, that he exhibits the ideals the virtues I seek in a man, that I feel i am enlightened by happiness and pleasure when I am with him.</strong> And I know when I say that, I mean that, because My love is precious for me, it is not selfless, it is not waste, it exists!</p>
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		<title>By: Destination Infinity</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1745</link>
		<dc:creator>Destination Infinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The topic may be closed. But the comments are not :-) Because, we have a mysterious (Obvious, in your words) sense of selfishness in commenting even after the topic being closed :-) 


Anyways, I read the article you have linked to on the topic -everyone is selfish. Agreed, but what are the implications? Selfishness is a virtue according to you, and maybe the only virtue you may respect. And you are justifying it by equating every action ever done by human beings to selfishness. Even if we agree to that point, you are yet to disclose one important aspect - So what?  When you say that every action even inadvertantly done by human beings is due to selfishness and nothing else, you sound more critical of the virtue of selfishness than being proud of it! Seeing that you are trying to propogate the virtue, this is a bit of contradiction.


&quot;There is this thing in religion and politics - By convincing others, we try to convince ourselves&quot; 


Destination Infinity</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The topic may be closed. But the comments are not <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Because, we have a mysterious (Obvious, in your words) sense of selfishness in commenting even after the topic being closed <img src='http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Anyways, I read the article you have linked to on the topic -everyone is selfish. Agreed, but what are the implications? Selfishness is a virtue according to you, and maybe the only virtue you may respect. And you are justifying it by equating every action ever done by human beings to selfishness. Even if we agree to that point, you are yet to disclose one important aspect &#8211; So what?  When you say that every action even inadvertantly done by human beings is due to selfishness and nothing else, you sound more critical of the virtue of selfishness than being proud of it! Seeing that you are trying to propogate the virtue, this is a bit of contradiction.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is this thing in religion and politics &#8211; By convincing others, we try to convince ourselves&#8221; </p>
<p>Destination Infinity</p>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1741</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reason for love is your ability to discriminate, to judge and to value.
If you love somebody, it means you admire them, appreciate them and feel a certain respect and coalescence with them. When you love some person, it means you have judged the virtues, the values in that person which are important for you.

Loving is accepting the personification of the values which you admire and seek for.

Can you love a criminal? Yes you can, if that criminal possess certain characteristic or  aspects which signifies the values you are seeking for, and if those values personified with that criminal are of much more worth for you than the fact that he/she is criminal.

You cannot love a person in whom you find nothing which can be appreciate or admired for. Also, you may simply despise a person irrespective of all qualities he posses which are important for you, just because of some distinct value which makes you despise that person.

It simply does not matter if the person you love, loves you in return or not.

You admire Bipasha basu, she is NOT going to be on your bed tonight. yet you love her, you may never get a chance to see/talk her face to face, yet you love her. She is not returning any love than why?

You do not love a person because you get love in return. You love a person because you find those qualities personified by that person which are important for you.

You admire Bipasha (if you do, or anybody whom you admire) because she possess your desired qualities in a girl/woman.

Love is always about the valuation and discrimination, it is as selfish as any activity of human.
That is all. Topic closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reason for love is your ability to discriminate, to judge and to value.<br />
If you love somebody, it means you admire them, appreciate them and feel a certain respect and coalescence with them. When you love some person, it means you have judged the virtues, the values in that person which are important for you.</p>
<p>Loving is accepting the personification of the values which you admire and seek for.</p>
<p>Can you love a criminal? Yes you can, if that criminal possess certain characteristic or  aspects which signifies the values you are seeking for, and if those values personified with that criminal are of much more worth for you than the fact that he/she is criminal.</p>
<p>You cannot love a person in whom you find nothing which can be appreciate or admired for. Also, you may simply despise a person irrespective of all qualities he posses which are important for you, just because of some distinct value which makes you despise that person.</p>
<p>It simply does not matter if the person you love, loves you in return or not.</p>
<p>You admire Bipasha basu, she is NOT going to be on your bed tonight. yet you love her, you may never get a chance to see/talk her face to face, yet you love her. She is not returning any love than why?</p>
<p>You do not love a person because you get love in return. You love a person because you find those qualities personified by that person which are important for you.</p>
<p>You admire Bipasha (if you do, or anybody whom you admire) because she possess your desired qualities in a girl/woman.</p>
<p>Love is always about the valuation and discrimination, it is as selfish as any activity of human.<br />
That is all. Topic closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chirag</title>
		<link>http://www.reasonforliberty.com/ethics/can-you-measure-love.html#comment-1744</link>
		<dc:creator>Chirag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 07:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the REASON for Love is Love?</description>
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		<title>By: Unpretentious Diva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unpretentious Diva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me explain the issue of &quot;Measuring Love&quot; in calm way
 There is a a singer---

a&gt;	She loves singing, for her the value of pleasure she gets in singing is most important, she enjoys singing and she keeps trying to get better and better singer. Her love is selfish. For her, the popularity she gains is of lesser importance than her love for singing. That does not mean she does not love being popular singer. However, the intensities of the two loves differ.

b&gt;	She loves popularity, and for that, she sings. She loves singing but for her, being a popular singer is more important. She keeps a study of how to entertain audience maximum rather than how to improve her singing. She gains popularity. It is her selfish love. In this case, her love for popularity is more intense than her love for singing.

The live example is Amir Khan, for him acting is more important than popularity, hence he keeps trying to get best of his talent. He seldom goes for popularity; rather his love for acting is more intense. That provides him inspiration to do better and better.
On the other hand, Shahrukh Khan is Popular actor, he also loves acting, but the intensity of his love for acting is less than his intensity of love to be popular. He is popular actor. That explains why most of his movies gets instant popularity although they severely lacks intent.
There always remains certain actors whose intensity of love for acting is above any thing else. As for example, Smita Patil, Shabana Azmi, Aparna Sen, Naseeruddin Shah, Om Puri etc.. They work for their intensity of love towards acting. Its most important value for them. They seldom goes for popularity. Though sometimes, to fulfil the monetary needs, they changes their track towards commercial cinema too, as Smita patil worked in Namak Halal, Shabana worked in Amar Akbar Anthony etc.

The exceptional case is Amitabh. It is hardly difficult for one to check if his love for popularity is more, or love for acting is more. He maintains a coherent balance between his love for acting and love of popularity. Sometimes his intensity of love for acting goes higher, other times his intensity of love for popularity goes higher.

In all of such cases, you will find that none of them works only for love of money. That does not mean they do not love money, but their intensity of love for money is pretty less in comparative measure of their intensities for acting or popularity. Yet, you can find many artists who act just for their love for money. Acting and popularity means very less for them. You may put the actors of pornographic movies in this category. But it is not necessary that they work for love of money. You can find many porn actors just working for their love for sex and exhibitionism. Their intensity of love for money is pretty less than their intensity of love for exhibitionism and sex. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reasonforliberty.com/humor/interview-with-god.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;After All how can we forget our beloved Paris Hilton?&lt;/a&gt;

P.S:: I was getting ready for my office hence my answer for the comments were a little haphazard and rash!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me explain the issue of &#8220;Measuring Love&#8221; in calm way<br />
 There is a a singer&#8212;</p>
<p>a>	She loves singing, for her the value of pleasure she gets in singing is most important, she enjoys singing and she keeps trying to get better and better singer. Her love is selfish. For her, the popularity she gains is of lesser importance than her love for singing. That does not mean she does not love being popular singer. However, the intensities of the two loves differ.</p>
<p>b>	She loves popularity, and for that, she sings. She loves singing but for her, being a popular singer is more important. She keeps a study of how to entertain audience maximum rather than how to improve her singing. She gains popularity. It is her selfish love. In this case, her love for popularity is more intense than her love for singing.</p>
<p>The live example is Amir Khan, for him acting is more important than popularity, hence he keeps trying to get best of his talent. He seldom goes for popularity; rather his love for acting is more intense. That provides him inspiration to do better and better.<br />
On the other hand, Shahrukh Khan is Popular actor, he also loves acting, but the intensity of his love for acting is less than his intensity of love to be popular. He is popular actor. That explains why most of his movies gets instant popularity although they severely lacks intent.<br />
There always remains certain actors whose intensity of love for acting is above any thing else. As for example, Smita Patil, Shabana Azmi, Aparna Sen, Naseeruddin Shah, Om Puri etc.. They work for their intensity of love towards acting. Its most important value for them. They seldom goes for popularity. Though sometimes, to fulfil the monetary needs, they changes their track towards commercial cinema too, as Smita patil worked in Namak Halal, Shabana worked in Amar Akbar Anthony etc.</p>
<p>The exceptional case is Amitabh. It is hardly difficult for one to check if his love for popularity is more, or love for acting is more. He maintains a coherent balance between his love for acting and love of popularity. Sometimes his intensity of love for acting goes higher, other times his intensity of love for popularity goes higher.</p>
<p>In all of such cases, you will find that none of them works only for love of money. That does not mean they do not love money, but their intensity of love for money is pretty less in comparative measure of their intensities for acting or popularity. Yet, you can find many artists who act just for their love for money. Acting and popularity means very less for them. You may put the actors of pornographic movies in this category. But it is not necessary that they work for love of money. You can find many porn actors just working for their love for sex and exhibitionism. Their intensity of love for money is pretty less than their intensity of love for exhibitionism and sex. <a href="http://www.reasonforliberty.com/humor/interview-with-god.html" rel="nofollow">After All how can we forget our beloved Paris Hilton?</a></p>
<p>P.S:: I was getting ready for my office hence my answer for the comments were a little haphazard and rash!</p>
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