Jerry Kirkpatrick already replied to you “…As for Montessori, her method cannot in any way be described as Socratic. The learning comes from her ingeniously designed “didactic materials,” which in later years are books. The teacher instructs the child on how to use the materials and observes when each child is ready for which particular material. The thrust of Montessori Method is adapting the learning process to the needs and pace of learning of each individual child. Discussion or questioning is a side issue. In fact, repeated questioning can be experienced by the child as threatening, but that is a topic for another day.”

Here, remember?:
http://www.jkirkpatrick.net/2008/03/dewey-in-context.html#c89527910919688225

“…Why not let each person make their own decisions about their use of their own time? This would increase the likelihood of people growing up fulfilling their own unique educational needs without being confused by us adults who could never know enough or be wise enough to advise them properly….”

I invite you to read, “The Art of Doing Nothing.”
http://www.sudval.org/05_underlyingideas.html#03
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Individuality and Democracy: A Way of Life

At Sudbury Valley School ( http://www.sudval.com/ ), students from preschool through high school age explore the world freely, at their own pace and in their own unique ways. They learn to think for themselves, and learn to use Information Age tools to unearth the knowledge they need from multiple sources. They develop the ability to make clear logical arguments, and deal with complex ethical issues. Through self-initiated activities, they pick up the basics; as they direct their lives, they take responsibility for outcomes, set priorities, allocate resources, and work with others in a vibrant community.

Trust and respect are the keys to the school’s success. Students enjoy total intellectual freedom, and unfettered interaction with other students and adults. Through being responsible for themselves and for the school’s operation, they gain the internal resources needed to lead effective lives.

Sudbury Valley School was founded in 1968. Located in an old stone mansion and a converted barn on the mid-nineteenth century Bowditch estate, the ten acre campus adjoins extensive conservation lands.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudbury_Valley_School
http://www.sudval.com/01_abou_09.html
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u need to get a deeper perspective and please please do try to read completely !!

and again you may say that you are talking about absolute truths which is independent of ones experience or of the world around you .. isnt physics the understanding of the physical world .. the how and why ?? !!! .. what absolute truths are you talking about .. really would like to know !!

the core of a man’s spirit comes from new experiences !

http://www.prayag.in/

http://www.lifepositive.com/mind/education/alternative-education/montessori-education.asp

some of the examples in India which are trying on Montessori lines.

If Einstien hadn’t someone else had. Yet, if you wanna keep patronizing others without applying your own self, and even without trying to know your own ability to reasonify the previous knowledge which is raw material for you, then its your choice, not dependence.
You are surely free to question any and every of Einstien theory or postulates and prove them null and void. Or you are free to take it as a dogma and accept it as a belief.
But that is not science, nor rationality.
Because science is always falsifiable.

i think we should get this straight .. you are just arguing about jus one sentence in my entire comment ‘being dependent’ .. did i ever say dont think ? dont rationalize ?? see there was einstein first for you to appreciate his work and then further develop on it .. ? and am talking about the dependence of thinking and making independent observations .. dont you think while writing the posts am doing it .. every peron has brains.. every person thinks .. !! whats the big deal !! whether or not he is able to make something independently out of it is upto his abilities and his problem !! but bottomline we are dependent on others to build on a better future … what if john locke had not even existed .?? !! either we are talking on totally tangentially concepts or you are just fixated to one point in my entire post !

didnt i say in my previous comment – difference between a parasite who does not think or work on his own and wants to reap the enefits and me who acknowledges the fact that we in this life are dependent to live an independent life !

maybe we should talk about it in more detail on a different forum !

what saint? which saint are you talking about? living in dreams?

I agree to disagree with you because you have got no reasonable argument.

and yes, by being independent, I never meant that I am not dependent on oxygen to breath or water and food and shelter to live.
But I earn it.

Einstein might have discovered the fourth dimension (Time) and basics of quantum physics, but his work is just raw material for me, and if I am not independently able to understand his work, then I just cannot develop or use it further, nor I can appreciate it.

But since I am independently able to understand it, I appreciate it.

where was johm locke(and i have no idea who he is !!) when thousands and thousands of years before saints had realised the meaning of life .. when they did not have anything to attach them to this world .. the notion of what you call MINE and property … why do u think johm locke’s notion of life is any better than the sage on top of the himalayas (i guess there are none) .. if you really want to be independent please dont delude yourself ! watch the movie into the wild if you want to !

and do get the difference between a parasite who does not think or work on his own and wants to reap the enefits and me who acknowledges the fact that we in this life are dependent to live an independent life !
and again am i telling you to live a life of a statue ?? “The teacher is not a point of dependence, Teacher is only the source of raw knowledge which you have to rationalize.” depending on the source of raw material is being independent is it ?!! very unprententious indeed !!

I must say that it is true that life is learnt by understanding one own self for we are availed with only our self to live with,its our way of looking that shapes everything(others are just extensions) and else is secondary .

And one thing more, most of people misunderstood questioning as having doubts but fruit of questioning is only “right questioning” and the art of ‘questioning it right’ makes life full of ‘rasa’ or nectar.

bookmarked u ,great job

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I don’t think there ever will be a solution… The educational system in India works, but ends up damaging all the real talent, and the ones in the west are too uninspiring… It’s always left up to the child. I guess that’s where a good teacher comes in… To bring us as close to the perfect system as possible.. The Socratic Method looks very inviting on paper… But the Socratic teacher would have to teach a single student or a small group of students for several years to implement such a system…

But that’s just what I think…

You need to read Johm Locke to get the understanding of MINE and property. But, Johm Locke provided a rough material, until you yourself wont rationalise and work upon it, you wont understand it. once you work upon it reasonably, the knowledge aquired would be yours.

As a major fact you have accepted dependence as your way, and you are simply unable to lead an honest life is making you to oppose the reality. The teacher is not a point of dependence, Teacher is only the source of raw knowledge which you have to rationalize. If you accept it without rationalizing, then theres no difference between you and a superstitious aghori.

your post basically deals with the knowledge of self .. but thinking about it how far does knowledge of self actually help a person. doesnt the knowledge come from ones own past experiences and principles based on such experiences only constrain a person ? like if my past experiences were different then wudnt my principles also differ ? no one is born with principles … !

and you talk about virtue of independence and again do you think even the post that you have written is fully independent of the world surrounding you .. ?? the very fact that the socrates method requires a teacher to ask questions means that is it totally independent of the teacheer . ?? dependence as a way of living is only the realistic way to look at things which might be confused with a parasitic way of life !!

i wud say that i was on similar lines of thought till sometime back .. but welcome to the real world !