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However now the climate is surely changing and in this new climate, those environmentalists surprisingly are accepting their faults, yet they are not ready to take the responsibility.
Recently, the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which is a panel of 2500 of the best climate scientists in the world, accepted that they made a huge goof-up regarding their blow-horns about the melting of Himalayan glaciers.[1]
The IPCC, which is a noble winning organization of environmentalist alarmed about the catastrophic threat of melting of Himalayan glacier by 2035, that is, within 20 years, IPCC expected the disastrous end of the Himalayan range. Now when there are no signs of any such apocalyptic change in any new future, they have accepted that it was mistake. The mistake was a result of extreme irresponsibility and carelessness of these climate scientists of the noble winning IPCC organization. First of all, they never studied the Himalayan glaciers with any objectivity and the report they issued was borrowed from a 1996 Russian study, obviously, the study was not at all authentic. Not only that, the Russian study by V M Kotlyakov also predicted a date of 2350 for an expected decrease in Himalayan glacier. The IPCC scientists and climate reporters not only copied a non-authentic study, they also goofed up with the predicted date and made it to 2035. It might be a small typographical error that advanced the apocalyptic deadline by 300 years.
Similarly, the same reputed UN’s union of environmentalists also issued a report regarding the disappearance of Amazon forests based on another baseless report by some advocacy group WWF.[2] The author of that report on Amazon was also not written by any specialist on Amazon forests, but by a freelance journalist with no authenticity. IPCC never considered the importance to check the validity of such apocalyptical threat before lamenting it as a possible danger to force their socialistic dream of stern governmental actions throughout the world.
Now it is well known through out the world that all these environmentalists keep lying about the shrinking glaciers, increasing hurricanes, rising sea levels and depleting rainforests. Yet nobody in the IPCC, not even the chairman Mr. R.K Pachauri is ready to take the responsibility of such so-called mistakes. Were they intentional?
Changing views of Climatologists
Although it is just an excuse, it suggests that now instead of keep issuing the threats of apocalypse every second day, environmentalists and climate scientists need to stress over searching for better excuses to hide out their deceits.
The Growing Glaciers
Despite all hullabaloo of global warming, the glaciers are growing all around the world. How is that possible that IPCC issues an unauthentic report about the disappearance of Himalayan glaciers, while the scientists from other group make a documentary about how the Himalayan glaciers are ever increasing since the last three decades?
Here is a list of 12 glaciers that have not heard the news about Global warming. They are growing and growing fast.[4]
It is a fact that the fake calls of apocalyptic dangers of global warming are not going to pay the socialist set of environmentalists any success. Yet, it would also be wrong to say that climate is not changing, climate is always changing and so do the human beings and other life forms. We evolve with time we change.
Professor Ian Plimer (University of Adelaide) in his book “Heaven an Earth” explains why CO2 cannot be a cause of global warming; here is a transcript of his scientifically recognized book Heaven and Earth.[5]
Despite the 21st century decrease in global temperature, we are perpetually warned of dangerous global warming. Every evening one can see a disturbing documentary over some news channel showing some absurd claims (just like that of IPCC claims of disappearing Himalayan glaciers etc.) all these environmentalists and green activists obviously want us to believe that if we try to live a happy, healthy prosperous life, we will be no better than the devil ready to cause havoc on earth. Obviously, they want the governments to control us and force us to sacrifice ourselves, our progress for the greater cause of saving the environment from the alleged threat of global warming.
Alternative solutions for alleged global warming
In the book Super Freakonomics[6] the author argues that even if CO2 is causing global warming and if global warming is a real threat, then also it is not necessary that governments all around the world need to enforce draconian laws and cuts in carbon dioxide emission that would cost many trillions of dollars and will force the poor to be poorer. Rather some better geo-engineering solutions can be adopted to keep the earth cool despite the increased concentration of green house gases in the atmosphere.
Just like the present water vapor in the stratosphere can actually cause the globe to cool down irrespective of increased concentration of carbon dioxide, engineers can pump sulphur dioxide in stratosphere by a suspended hose using helium balloons. There can be numerous ways to actually control any global warming if it is occurring at any dangerous rate, but the fact is, since the 21st century, the earth is cooling off.
The environmentalists knows that it would be hard for them to contend at the issue of global warming because the evidences are totally against them and hence they are playing the new trick. Now days, the catastrophe lovers does not shout for Global Warming, rather they call for Climate Change. Climate change is a reality, climate keep changing since ever and forever. Mainstream economists, along with scientists and engineers, are increasingly joining in the climate change debate as technical experts, with the prospects of lucrative funding ultimately paid for through coercive taxation. The evolution of the climate change debate mirrors the almost universal support of economists as expert technical advisers for central banking and Keynesian policy prescriptions such as Cap and Trade policy etc.
Conclusion: Global warming is gradually proving out to be another fake call of the socialists just to dishearten the freedom loving individuals and to force common public to suffer under governmental duress and keep thinking that freedom is sinful and progress is evil. We need to save ourselves from such unholy misguiding tirade of socialist environmentalists, economists and media persons who are trying to baffle public to enforce governmental control over their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Update: A good article against Global warming fraud in “Open” : http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/international/the-hottest-hoax-in-the-world
Indian Environment Minister Jairam ramesh says:: There is a fine line between climate science and climate evangelism. I am all for climate science but not for climate evangelism. I think people misused the IPCC report,” Ramesh told a news channel here.
Stressing that the IPCC’s weakness was that it didn’t do original research and derives assessments from published literature, the minister announced a climate change panel for India. Economic Times
- Times of India IPCC retracts 2035 alarm on Himalayan glacier melt [↩]
- The Telegraph After Climategate, Pachaurigate and Glaciergate: Amazongate [↩]
- NPR News ,Atmospheric Dry Spell Eases Global Warming [↩]
- 12 more glaciers that haven’t heard the news about global warming, Turns out the IPCC’s chicken little story that all the Himalayan glaciers are melting is just another exaggeration. Or fraud. Take your choice. You know, like the stats coming out of East Anglia CRU. And its claim that Antarctica is melting. And that Greenland’s ice cap is melting. And that sea levels are rising. And that the polar bears are dying. Fact is, some glaciers are retreating, but many others around the world are growing. [↩]
- Professor Ian Plimer is Professor of Mining Geology at University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences at University of Melbourne [↩]
- SuperFreakonomics,Global Cooling, Patriotic Prostitutes, and Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance [↩]
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The Changing Climate | Reason for Liberty college university Says:
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Gubbi Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:50 amNot sure about your source for 2035 goofup.. i.e., it was based on a Russian study.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18420-climate-chief-admits-error-over-himalayan-glaciers.html
However, it was an error in the IPCC report. But that doesn’t mean, that the glaciers are doing great.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/01/the-ipcc-is-not-infallible-shock/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/15/soot-having-a-big-impact-on-himalyan-temperature-as-much-or-more-than-ghgs/#more-14202 (This republished on a AGW skeptic blog.)
It surprises me, how entire body of scientific work done over centuries and the many scientific papers showing global warming trends are disregarded when some “error” crops up in one of the papers, that too when these errors don’t invalidate the central claim being made and the many other independent studies done.
Also, you base your claim about CO2 not causing warming, on a book rather than a peer reviewed literature.
There are several misstatements in your article. For example:
“The environmentalists knows that it would be hard for them to contend at the issue of global warming because the evidences are totally against them”
Not sure what evidences you are talking about. There are virtually no climatologist (very very few) who thinks there is no global warming happening.. It is pretty much established.. Some debate whether it is human caused or not. Even the cause of it being humans is some what established, although there are some more studies underway. Some more debate how critical the AGW really is. So, I don’t understand what “evidences” you are talking about…
Global warming is gradually proving out to be another fake call of the socialists just to dishearten the freedom loving individuals and to force common public to suffer under governmental duress and keep thinking that freedom is sinful and progress is evil.
How gradual? A total rant. And you put climate scientists, environmentalists and socialists all under the same rug. Awesome.
Now it is well known through out the world that all these environmentalists keep lying about the shrinking glaciers, increasing hurricanes, rising sea levels and depleting rainforests.
I see.
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:01 amAnother entire body of scientist is engaged in showcasing the deceit and treachery of the enviornmentalists.
About the source of Glaciers, they are very valid source, the documentary about Himalayan glacier has been shown of Discovery channel too.
About the russian study well the source is reuter and Times of India that directly took interview of R.K Pachauri The Chairman of IPCC.
Gubbi Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:09 amAnother entire body of scientist is engaged in showcasing the deceit and treachery of the enviornmentalists.
Source?
Also, climate scientists are all not “environmentalists”, several scientific publications, where rigorous scientific methodologies are applied before publishing papers from several different fields, show that the scientific community currently thinks global warming trend is happening. I don’t know why you trust right wing mouthpieces, and conspiracy theorists (For whom, as per their religion, earth was made for man’s sake.) to scientists.
One of those “prominent” skeptical scientists also is a “prominent” skeptic of “evolution theory”, and thinks “Intelligent design” is the truth… and thinks there has been conspiracy throughout the world to promote “evolution” also…
About the source of Glaciers, they are very valid source, the documentary about Himalayan glacier has been shown of Discovery channel too.
I was asking about the source of the Russian story… and the typo from 2350 to 2035.. Not trying to counter the main claim that IPCC published a false claim… It did..
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:13 amRead the comment again, the source is Reuter and TOI that interviewed Mr. R.K Pachuari, source is IPCC itself the other members of which demanded resignation from R.K Pachauri three days ago.
About the source of scientists against the conspiracy of climatologists and environmentalists, I am the source and the other scientists are the source.
One of them has been mentioned in the article, he is the Professor at University of Adelaide and Melbourne.
There are many. Most important of them at this site is I.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 10:16 amMany idiots thinks alot.
Most of those environmentalists climatologists have accepted that since last three decades temperature of earth is NOT AT ALL INCREASING.
They provide various reason for that, one of the reason they say is water vapour of Stratosphere, I wrote all about it in article, I gave link to it too.
Gubbi Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:21 amMost of those environmentalists climatologists have accepted that since last three decades temperature of earth is NOT AT ALL INCREASING.
Source for this claim? last 3 decades? Considering, 2005 being the warmest year yet on record. The link you gave says, they try to explain “very little warming in the last decade”.
About the source of scientists against the conspiracy of climatologists and environmentalists, I am the source and the other scientists are the source.
One of them has been mentioned in the article, he is the Professor at University of Adelaide and Melbourne.
There are many. Most important of them at this site is I.
Have you or the professor you mention, published any peer reviewed papers, where the claims made in the paper are independently verified by other researchers in their analysis? Have you read the rebuttals made to Ian Plimer’s claims?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/08/plimers-homework-assignment/comment-page-6/
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Gubbi Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:26 amTowards the ending, the article you linked to says:
So, who are those “Most of those environmentalists climatologists” that you are referring to?
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:39 amThe same idiots who double talked there. In that same article a scientist was explaining why the temperature of earth is not increasing since last three decades.
About the increase in temperature, last year a scientific report came declaring the upcoming of Ice Age. It significantly described why too much cold is being experienced through out the world.
It has been mentioned here. http://www.reasonforliberty.com/current-affairs/global-warming-is-cooling-down-to-ice-age.html
The article provides the link to the report of Ice Age. So you know, you need to worry of too much cold, not of warming of the globe.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 amWhy do not you read the article?: It gives the link to the transcript of the Professor’s book, and it is a peer report.
Not only that, whenever a scientist says something against these government supported crooks, people like you starts questioning them, and when they answers you to be beyond any doubts, you start ignoring them. Actually you are such creed of human who are extremely sorry for being human, you do believe that your sorry existence is such a curse that can destroy earth and cause apocalypse, the best way for such self-condemning idiots is to commit suicide.
By the way, every government, every recognized economical institute supports Keneysianism and refutes Austrian economy why the hell you think that you are miniarchist and should oppose Keynes? and support Austrians? Why not you go with the mainstream economists just like you want to go with mainstream environmentalists?
Lol you need peer reviews for what?
Here is another Biogeographist calling names to those idiot collectivist climatologists.
Enjoy ‘Ignore global warming hype’ says scientist
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/484868.stm
The peer report of his work was published by University of London.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 11:53 amThe same R.K Pachaury was sounding like mad dogs against TATA Nano when he realized that after the invent of TATA NANO, even the most poor of India will be able to dream to travel in a car just like R.K Pachauri does. An obviously he didn’t wanted the poor to enjoy electricity, cars, heaters, coolers, ac’s. All these socialist environmentalists are anti-human, antipoor.
Anyways, all socialist in any form are anti-poor anti-human.
Enjoy this one too
http://www.reasonforliberty.com/globalwarming/the-catastrophe-lovers-want-to-return-to-dark-ages.html
Gubbi Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:09 pmI read the article. I also read some of arguments made by Ian Pilmer and I also read many rebuttals to his claim. The link to which I posted earlier.
Please stay on the topic. I have not said anything to that effect. Supporting scientific studies and the methodology definitely don’t indicate any of these. If I were to go on a similar rant, I can say, you sound like a ideological fundamentalist.
I don’t know what you are talking about the economics. I don’t understand any of it.
It is not about “going with the mainstream”… The mainstream is almost always divided into extremes, the mainstream is almost always dumbed down and everything reduced to talking points for the masses. The mainstream is ideology driven. I’m talking about science here. Science as in logic. Science as in a verifiable, methodical, rigorous analysis. Give me links to discussions by scientists, not articles from the “mainstream media”. Scientists can work with data they have from past… they can try to create models that predict climate… can they be 100% sure about what will happen in the future? Of course not. There is a lot left to understand about climate, there are many more variables to account for in the climate models. The models are continually tweaked and improved. Scientists continually try to explain new unexplained phenomenon. I don’t think that needs to be ridiculed or mocked.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:14 pmMay be you need to check the definition of peer and that of peer review. You re wrong at that.
Also when a professor at African university says something and another professor at University of London endorses it it is peer review, no matter you realize it or not.
Second thing is, the issue of Himalayan glaciar is not alone every second apocalyptic warning by IPCC has been proven mallacious, including the extinction of 40% Amazonian jungles, that report was taken from a WWF report by a journalist who is an enviornmentalist. IPCC copied it and presented it as its report.
IPCC is the name of forgery, but than whole UN is name of forgery.
About economics, why cannot you understand any of that?
Its simple as that, if you do not think you need peer reviews for your belief against Mainstream economics or support for Austrian economics, you can go in same manner for your belief about global warming or ice age too.
About the report of 1999, what has changed since than?
do apple does not fall on earth in 2009 or 2010? Is CO2 not carbon dioxide in 2010?
Science if is time dependent, then do not give any importance to it.
Gubbi Says:
February 2nd, 2010 at 1:57 pmThats right. It is peer review. But what when 5 other professors independently come out against that? And publish their arguments, which is again referred to by several other researchers in their papers.
It is true of the 2 incidents that you cite. Not all of the claims made. Also, IPCC’s report is a collection of several scientific opinions. It doesn’t convey a single meaning. It reports the state of the scientific opinions, that is considered to be authentic in the scientific community. It is also a political tool. The political organizations are given a “summary” or briefing based out of IPCC reports, to base their policies on. The Himalayan claim was not included in that briefing.
IPCC and UN might be a joke and a failure. But just ridiculing them, isn’t the right way forward.
There is lot of politics involved in the policy making… and it is unfortunate that the scientific community has also been politicized in this case.
I haven’t studied either of the models you mentioned. Not good at economics.
But, I don’t think support for either of the systems should be based on “beliefs”. There should be reasons for it. Also, if I understand it correct, some economic models differ in their goals.. at which point the choice of goal depends on ones ideology and preferences.
I have mostly avoided reading older articles, mainly because several of the claims have been refuted in the years since. Several more studies have been done, either to provide more support to some kind of data or to show inaccuracies in other data. Just trying to stay at the cutting edge of the analysis… There is lot of to and fro in the arguments, there are new variables found, etc., so the analysis is certainly time dependent..
And I don’t think the people refuting the Global Warming, should do it outside of the scientific process, just because they are in the minority. But until and unless there is conclusive analysis, which is peer reviewed, showing that the current claims are false, there is no reason to believe in these arguments. That is how science works.
I do not agree that it is time for governments to step in. I don’t think the approaches being considered are right approaches. Nor do I think they are effective in what they are trying to do. I do not agree with the “alarmists” like Gore. I think there is lot more left for the scientific community to hash out.
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:49 amhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/IPCCs-credibility-has-increased-Pachauri/articleshow/5493066.cms
Enjoy the chutzpah of Mr. R.K pachaury and IPCC and all other climatologist environmentalists.
You must also take a note that 2009 was the coldest year in the current decade with record cold in US, Asia and Europe.
Lol yes that record cold was the effect of global warming.
Man Made Global Warming Alert! Record Cold Grips Europe, North America and Asia
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/01/man-made_global_1.php
http://yelnick.typepad.com/politick/2009/10/us-temperatures-cooling-at-striking-rate.html
University Scientists involved with IPCC are again avoiing to publicize the data regarding the scandolous ClimateGate. The false report on Himalayan range is not the thing, thing is the scanal going on the name of “politically correct science” which obviously is evidenceless and ethically wrong.
University scientists in climategate row hid data
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7088055/University-scientists-in-climategate-row-hid-data.html
And ohh yea, these scandals aren’t of 1999, they are of 2009. But that doesn’t matter, even in 1999, IPCC alongwith all these environmentalist climatologist fucktards was a scandalous gang.
Gubbi Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:12 amIt was unnecessary to include “all other climatologists” there. Also, too much is being made out of the Himalayan error, considering, it was not included in the IPCC summary given to policy makers. The IPCC WG2 (second volume), did contain some activist type messages, some unsubstantiated. That doesn’t mean, the entire effort is bogus. It is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. True, the mistake shouldn’t have happened. True, Pachauri should be criticized for the mistake. True, the IPCC process needs to be reexamined. Nothing beyond that.
2 mistakes:
1. Climate not same as weather.
2. Global temperatures should be mentioned, not just within US, Asia and Europe.
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/2005_warmest.html
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/10/a-warming-pause/
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:24 amIn fact it was NEceSSARY, that gang of environmentalists included you too. IPCC obviously hold much more worth than that another fradulent gang of NASA. So what is NASA by the way? A government run lively *****? Why should you believe on that? Where are the peer reviews for the NASA’s report? Why should not you believe on Government aided economical journals right from the pen of Paul Krugman?
You must realize that 2009 was an year of El Nino, it should have been very hot even without the hype of global warming, but it was cooler, and not cooler, it was the coldest since the 1980’s.
Second thing is, America, Asia, Eurasia, Europe, represents 70% of world, the other 30% also suffered cold, not record breaking though. Even an El Nino year was cold, it was because of global cooling, advent of iceage
Gubbi Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:19 pmYou hadn’t included Eurasia earlier. Anyway, you are still talking about weather and not climate trends.
2009 warmest year on record in the southern hemisphere.
and second warmest overall. 2008 was the coldest in this decade.
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/jan/HQ_10-017_Warmest_temps.html
Funny that a rational person like you, prefers the agenda of religiously motivated right wing(they need to establish the truth of bible), to the scientists. Just because they are government hating and gun loving, doesn’t mean everything they talk is sensible. When this article was published, NASA was funded by Republican government, who would pay any amount, and go to any lengths, if you can just put a dent on global warming theory. So, if it were really controlled by government, and not scientific, then NASA shouldn’t have published this report. Also, there is no “believing” needed. It is science. The same result is published in any of the climate research organization website you visit. So, yes it is peer reviewed. Also, no one in the “denier” camp disputes this.
It seems to me that you just want to be right. You want to believe. Stumps me.
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:44 pmWhat a ****! Asia an Europe makes Eurasia. Eurasia means siberia and other parts of russia. when I said Europe and Asia suffered coldest, it meant Eurasia included. Siberian tundra suffered lowest temperture in last three decades, the glaciars grew fast. Himalayan glaciars grew fast, Himalayan glaciars are growing since last 30 years continuously, IPCC said they will vanish in 2035, now they say they will vanish, date is unknown. Everybody knows that Himalaya will vanish, they are not eternal. even Sun is not eternal, it has a life.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:47 pmThe religion to which I was born is Hinduism and it supports the irrational talks of global warming, I became Atheist after I took birth. I have nothing to say about Bible, What I say is all you environmentalist socialist are a curse to humanity.
And NASA is nothing but another forgery of you socialists. its necessary to keep government out of the realms of Science otherwise you conspirators will keep Distorting science. You distorted religion too to meet your ends. nothing better can be expected from the socialists.
Gubbi Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:50 pmSorry. My mistake. That was quite stupid.
These things don’t change the fact that there has been global warming trend. You need to backup your claims with sources.
Religious zealots over scientists? Come on.
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:53 pmWhere did you see any reference to any religious zealot in any of my article?
I put independent libertarian true scientist much above these socialist collectivist environmentalist bull **** like you.
Gubbi Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:58 pmSame here. Have you cared to look at the people whose articles you believe in? Religious people, who quote bible in their scientific books and “environmentalism” means “pagans” taking over the world.
You screaming socialist socialist at me, does little. It is not true and it has nothing to do with the topic. Despite having debated for so long, you keep breaking it’s basic rule: “don’t shoot the messenger, no ad hominem arguments.”
Your rest of the rant is incoherent. Do you really want to get your point across?
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:09 pmI never read anything from any religious leader about global warming or against it. Whatever I know, I discovered, I read is only scientific, it is from the leading scientists who are against the global warming hype!
About your socialistic roots, if I see that in you and I tell you the truth, it doesn’t make an attack. And I don’t restrict my self with these funny ideas like ad-hominom or whatever,. I guess I do not know what it means, nor I want to know. Do repeat any further socialistic trivial here and do hear further truth.
About “Environmentalism means pagans” ohh well they may be true in one sense, Hinduism and helenism both are pagan in character. But i do not think that environmentalism is paganistic in nature, it is Socialistic and nothing else. Environmentalism is socialism and global warming is another aid for keynesianism.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:13 pmHere are scientists who speaks against global warming hype, some of them are member of IPCC too, lol, so you see, scientists from IPCC are against global warming hype too. Only socialist environmentalists like you support such ****.
http://www.deadfishwrapper.com/ipcc_scientist_disputes_global_warming_hype
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=c5e16731-3c64-481c-9a36-d702baea2a42
http://www.globalwarminghype.com/
Gubbi Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:20 pmI can see how scientific your arguments have been so far.
You just conclude on things and reject everything that doesn’t agree with it. Just because science doesn’t agree with your “libertarian” view doesn’t mean it is bogus.
Whenever you read something from your great “libertarian” scientists, do look around to see what the opposition says about it. And look for logic, not beliefs.
Global Warming, Environmentalism, Socialism are synonyms?
I guess there is nothing more left to debate.
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:24 pmGood! And yes Environmentalism and socialism are Synonyms.
You can keep waiting for the melting of glaciars throughout your life or you can keep waiting for denying any electricity any fuel to poor throughout your life human hater.
About my arguments being scientific or not, you see, its not me who has to provide any scientific argument, its you who have to provide any argument for your myth of global warming.
I will than refute it scientifically at present you push off NASA links, which is not scientific organization it is socialistic government controlled organization.
Try your all scientific efforts to say that CO2 can cause global warming and I will put my scientifc reasons that why CO2 cannot cause global warming. Be scientific. Do not push links, push arguments, scientific arguments and than you will get scientific answers.
Otherwise, do not try to push your socialistic creed here.
Gubbi Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:28 pmI would do neither. Unless you don’t talk logic. Unless you don’t talk specific science, the specific claims made, there is no point responding to rants.
“Human Hater”? Do you see how much hatred is filled in each of your posts here?
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:31 pmAbout my arguments being scientific or not, you see, its not me who has to provide any scientific argument, its you who have to provide any argument for your myth of global warming.
I will than refute it scientifically at present you push off NASA links, which is not scientific organization it is socialistic government controlled organization.
Try your all scientific efforts to say that CO2 can cause global warming and I will put my scientifc reasons that why CO2 cannot cause global warming. Be scientific. Do not push links, push arguments, scientific arguments and than you will get scientific answers.
otherwise put your socialistic creed out of here.
All socialist/environmentalists are human haters. Its not only you dear. But you see, Humanity is much more strong than your hate. I do hate every human hater, no two talks about it.
Gubbi Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:32 pmThe problem debating with you is, anything that you don’t agree with is socialist. Just because you decide it is.
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Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:34 pmListen Gubbi stop ranting, either put any scientific claim about globalwarming and get the refuting answer from me on it, otherwise keep your socialistic moronism out of here.
You have not said even a single scientific word about global warming. I give no importance to the NASA. its worthless. Why? because it is conglomerate of ruffians.
Try science, try objective science, say what warms the globe?
headless Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:56 pmScience and nature are neither capitalist nor socialist. Hope those who can do that ridiculous thing called ‘thinking’ can understand it.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 3:54 pm@headless
to believe those socialist bureaucrats, an their false propaganda about science and nature, one surely need to be a headless.
Science and nature are obviously free, yet the socialists using them to purport their means need to start think, otherwise they may be forced to think that why did they accepted their own sacrifice for the benefit of none.