Instead of wasting time and resources chasing up BDSM viewers, people who smoke weed, and people who download music, and speeding, the police ought to be dealing with the real problem – the gangs, the organised hard drug criminals, the fraudsters, the domestic violence criminals, the unruly drunken yobs, etc.

Now they’re trying to rush in a Digital Economy Bill that pretty much allows them to block any website they want in the name of copyright protection.

250 is great, my congrats to the authors here. Ive only started blogging recently, Blog does 200+ everyday.

Anurag if you want I can let you make a single coherent centralized post with all the argument you have as a guest author. This blog has 250 unique visitors each day(which is quite a lot considering its only a month old).
I will let you link back to your blog too in the post will definitely get your some traffic too.

What say?

Stop acting pn two way track.
It was you (i dont consider anti-humanists as human hence used “it” for you)who distorted the discussion by bringing child pornes while we were talking of Kinky porne and fetishes.

Now since you brought topic of child porne and child abuse, you must know that in India girl of 15 goes to high court to appeal against law and demands freedom to have sex with her lover and marry him. She elopes with him against her family’s constrictions.

In britain girls of 14 demands age of consent bar to be reduced.

So what is your idea of child abuse?

A 60 year old man raping a 3-4 year girl???

That is not sex or kinky sex or porne or whatever.  That is Brutality, that is rape. And we were never talking of it, you brought it in between from air.

SUGGESTION::avoid disturbing the basic theme of post.

 am not chasing a utopia, I am making you aware of the reality of the current era.

Otherwise you will end Killing your daughters mothers and sisters because they didn’t use a hizab last time they went outside their home.

“The NCMEC estimated in 2003 that 20% of all pornography traded over the Internet was child pornography.”
“…91 percent appear to be children under the age of 12″

You are chasing a utopia. You dont see the bigger picture and the current situation. As of now we need to focus on finding ways and making laws to protect children. And not bicker about preeteens(aged 12+) having sex.
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Why are you diverting the whole topic here? If you want my opinion about age of consent, ill tell you! But why bring it here. I talked about Age of Consent only because I wanted to show that even though adolescents(aged newborn to 12) even “…an infant can let you know what is being done against his consent or not..” and that even though they may give a thumbs up for sexual intercourse, its not permissible by law. Dont talk about fringe cases of 14-17 yr olds and that is why im not replying to your other comment about me wanting 14-15 yr old going jail … anti-humanists like me … etc.
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Dont create new threads of discussion. It will unnecessarily lengthen the bickering. I you cant the ~vibe~ of the talk we have having here(which BTW is totally offtopic to the actual blog post, so my apologies), I cant sit and explain everytime.

If a boy and a girl want to have sex who the fuck you are to avoid them?

By the way, your senses are extremely dictatorial.
You think that your idea of age of consent are perfect, but that is not so.

Why don’t you try to read some real sense?

Want to read some UNICEF reports?

Try this.

The legal age of consent should be lowered from 16 to 14 for young people who are less than two years apart in age, according to an academic.

Dr Matthew Waites, a lecturer in sociology at Glasgow University, said criminalising all consensual sexual activity up to 16 was not appropriate.

His comments will be controversial given Britain’s high levels of under-age pregnancy and because they follow a damning UN study which showed Britain was the worst place in the developed world to be a child, partly because of early sexual intercourse rates and high teenage pregnancies.

The Unicef report said the UK took bottom place “by a considerable distance” for the number of young people who engaged in risky sex and became pregnant at too early an age.

For 16 out of 17 of the wealthiest countries with the data, between 15 per cent and 28 per cent of young people had had sex by the age of 15. For the UK, the figure was 40 per cent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1542843/Drop-age-of-consent-to-14,-says-academic.html

It clearly shows that while you want those kids of 14-15 to go to jail if they indulge in sex, and hence you want to exploit them, but general academic studies says that Anti-Humanists like you should not be allowed to exploit people. And age of consent should be dropped to 14.

Umm but that is UK, wanna read about India?

In 2006, Indian courts supported sex-activities of 15 year old girl as her free-will.

Obviously, anti-humanists like you will oppose it.

Read it
http://www.reasonforliberty.com/reason/age-of-consent-child-molestation-and-legal-system.html

About your statistics, first of all, who took those surveys and statistics? Some idiot like you who does not know the meaning of rationality?

Anyways, lets assume* that your funny statistics are absolutely true.
So what?
How does it prove that rationality is been defied anywhere? Who is responsible for those 91% under12 children, you or the parents of those children’?
Weren’t they against Individual rationality? (But then you even don’t know what rationality is)
What will you do then? How will you stop? By attacking people? Umm you may do so, even Marx, Stalin and Fidel Castro did so, it won’t help.

And who we? Does that “we” include the parents or guardians of those children who are enforced in pornography?
And if it does, than why do you think that you should do anything for it? Why not they do for their own children by not forcing them in child pornography?
And if you are so much willing for social services, you may do allot against child pornography.

By making your funny laws you will stop nothing but make smuggling of pornography more flamboyant. It won’t stop by your fucking collectivistic irrationalities.
By the way, there is nothing like collectivistic rationality. Rationality is always Objective and applicable for each and every Individual.

Irrespective of all fucking laws of Canada, Australia and whatever place you mentioned, child pornography is at maximum there.

> 91% of children in kiddy porn are under 12.
> … national statistics stating that 83 percent of child pornography cases are of children between six and twelve years old, 40 percent are of children between three and five years old and 19 percent are of children age two or younger.

You expect 59% of the kids in porn with ages between newborn to 5, to give consent before recoding a kiddy flick?
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Have you heard of a thing called Age of consent. The age of consent is a legal barrier to the minor being able to give consent and as such obtaining consent is not in general a defence to having sexual relations with a person under the prescribed age. So age of consent and the questions you raise about poor filming conditions hold no bearing by law or conventional/western rationality

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“making a law has never deterred a criminal from committing a crime.”
>> Huh? Then identifying and putting them behind bars has and definitely will. And laws are a parameter to decide who goes to jail.
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“someone wants to go underground…cannot be found…”
>> The fact that he has to go underground is good enough. Better if he gets caught.
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The production of child porn is ILLEGAL and this is “ratified by an overwhelming majority of the nations of the world“. Why? Go ask United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC).
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I say nobody “just watches” kiddy porn. 99% of the people have to be a partner in the online transfer/traffic of the files to be in possession of it. so possession is ILLEGAL as well. And lets not make hypothetical scenarios here.
> Section 163, Canada – “..makes it a crime to import, produce …”
> 18 U.S.C. 2251, 2251A, 2252, 2256 ” prohibit the production, receipt, distribution, possession …”
> Australian Parliament Report, supra note 24, at 2-3, 38 “..mere possession of child pornography illegal.”
for more http://www.crime-research.org/articles/536/5
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We cant leave all things to the rationality of the individual.

Let me repeat these words to myself, because im not able to sense a cryptic message and neither a shred of morality in what you just said…
1) A childs consent?
2) Parent’s consent on behalf of a child?

W-T-F ? That has to be lamest explanation, if there ever was one, for kiddy porn to even exist.

I don’t understand why are you quoting my quote on difference between watching child porn and producing child porn and replying that?

What I said was, the mere act of watching Child porn(and perhaps shagging on it) on your comp or television is objectively not immoral or a crime.
Of course nowhere in this blog we use the term “moral” as in “what Hinduism or Islam or Christianity or US consitution or Indian constitution defines as”.
Rather we merely leave the morality of the actions to be decided by the rationality of an individual. If your rationality says something is immoral, bring it out here, if your merely wanna ignore rationality and go on with your gut feeling, then guide your own morals through it, but if the question about other people’s action, you will have to listen to the rationality.

Now coming to the topic of whether watching child porn an immoral or criminal act? The answer is no, the act itself without an context is, sitting on your chair and looking at the screen, this cannot be considered as a crime or immoral act in itself.

Now on the topic of whether producing child porn movie is a crime or not, that’s a different issue, and up for debate. When you produce a child porn, how do you produce it? did you force a kid to work in the movie? did you harm the child in the making of the movie?
The usage of force or coercion has nothing to do with the age, even a infant can let you know what is being done against his consent or not. If you coerce a kid to get his consent, he may rip you apart in a court on a future date for coercion. Before you talk about the impracticality of such a suggestion you may wanna consider making a law has never deterred a criminal from committing a crime. If someone wants to go underground after forcing or coercing a kind to make a porn movie, and never disappear for that future lawsuit, he can do the same today when there are laws against child porn, if he cannot be found today, he cannot be found in a kiddy-porn-is-legal scenario either.

Anyways in America simulated(computer generated) child porn is legal(not legal in Europe though). Possession of Child porn is a crime despite of First Amendment(which specifically prohibits govt from making laws prohibiting free speech).