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“A bill outlawing the possession of “extreme pornography” is set to become law next week. But many fear it has been rushed through and will criminalize innocent people with a harmless taste for unconventional sex.”
BBC Article.
And some days ago, I was extolling praise about British community Here.
Britain is running along the trail to serfdom again. Civilization means to provide individual his right to freedom, but Britain is slowly going on the ways of controlling the private liberty of individual. Now they have CCTVs ubiquitously, a DNA database, all kinds of new anti-terrorist laws. They consume the individual liberty on the name of terrorism for the sake of public safety. It seems like someone mistook Orwell’s 1984 as the correct version of governance in Britain. How logical it is that since police is unable to stop crime, it will harass innocent citizen and will loot their privacy?
And now they want to ban ‘extreme pornography’. 
But how will they implement this law? Is this law going to be imposed by the government aggressively? Will they apply internet traffic surveillance to see what the individuals watch and read on internet? Will they ransack people’s home, their bedrooms and shops to see if there’s any pornographic picture or video or write-up? And if they do so, how will they control smuggling, and secret dealings? Or this law will also be one of those many laws which are just made to be forgotten and are used seldom only in some cases to show animosity against some particular citizen and are only used up when the police/politicians feel a need to get back at someone?
Obviously the law is against kinky sex and will wipe out almost all BDSM allied material. But if the law regards recordings of violence and sex between consensual partners as to be illegal (but apparently the act itself isn’t?), how can you allow recordings of these things separately? It is simply an authoritative dictation that BDSM is illegal.
Now there is one more pertinent question. Let’s say a couple decides to have a BDSM show in front of those CCTV cameras, obviously it will record their consensual BDSM activity which the couple will do for their fun and enjoyment. So, won’t those CCTV cameras be against this law? And in that case, can the government and police be prosecuted and accused for possessing of extreme pornography? Or this law again is dual in nature, which will allow a certain section of society to record while disallowing others to record anything of their like and choice on consensual basis? 
Basically, such laws arise just to hide-out the failure of government and police in their genuine work to stop crime against Individuals. In general, people just don’t give any attention to such atrocious actions against freedom of Individuals and their fundamental right, a man’s right to his own life which is the generator of all other rights. 
This law is against property rights too. A recording of someone’s personal consensual sexual act is his/her property, and it is his/her right to make or use such property the way he/she feels is right and profitable. Plus, how will you define what is ‘extreme pornography’? In India, situations are further strict and contradicting.
Watching pornography on Internet in India is not illegal act & is not punishable offence under the Information Technology Act, 2000. But under section 67 of the Act transmitting or publishing the pornographic contents to others can put you in trouble. According to Section 67- Whoever publishes or transmits or causes to be published in the electronic form, any material which is lascivious or appeal to the prurient interest or if its effect is such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it, shall be punished on first conviction with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to five years and with fine which may extend to one lakh rupees and in the event of a second or subsequent conviction with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to ten years and also with fine which may extend to two lakh rupees.
This law is simply against freedom of speech as it restricts the citizens to express his views and feelings. In recent past, reddif.com was charged on trial for “giving access to pornographic material.”. ![ban](http://www.reasonforliberty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/arton326.jpg "\\"extreme porn\\"banned in UK")
In 2002, India’s Central Board of Film Certification (CBFC), gave a Call to legalize porn cinemas in India which obviously went unnoticed.
The thing is such anti-individual-freedom laws and restrictions actually help for nothing. Despite being a restrictive and strict law system, India faces more number of cases of sexual harassments and assaults of much heinous state. The lastest government statistics show that there were 19,348 rape cases reported in India in 2006, compared with 15,847 in 2005 — an increase of 22 per cent.
It clearly shows that such laws are just as redundant as saying that women should be kept in burqa’s and under veils, otherwise they will be raped. Because of being a closed, restrictive and insensitive society towards Individual freedom, India not only suffers from too much sexual assault cases (including children molestation), but also, some other more heinous crimes like “Honor Killing” also takes place. Arushi murder is crime of passion or honor killing.
Such instances makes it clear that by restricting freedom of expression and speech, Britain cannot control sexual crimes. 
For every individual, a right is the moral sanction of a positive—of his freedom to act on his own judgment, for his own goals, by his own voluntary, uncoerced choice. As to his neighbors, his rights impose no obligations on them except of a negative kind: to abstain from violating his rights.
The right to life is the source of all rights—and the right to property is their only implementation. Without property rights, no other rights are possible. Since man has to sustain his life by his own effort, the man who has no right to the product of his effort has no means to sustain his life. The man, who produces while others dispose of his product, is a slave.
Bear in mind that the right to property is a right to action, like all the others: it is not the right to an object, but to the action and the consequences of producing or earning that object. It is not a guarantee that a man will earn any property, but only a guarantee that he will own it if he earns it. It is the right to gain, to keep, to use and to dispose of material values. (Man’s Right The Virtue of Selfishness. Ayn Rand)
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karthik Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 7:44 pmwell..trying to control extreme pornography is a right move.but this move just might hurt the sentiments of people and rob them of their privacy..you are right..it’s a move to hide inability of the government
Sanskriti Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 8:21 pmhey…
dis is quite a diff blog, frm d usual conventional ones…
regarding porn… i suppose invading an individual’s privacy isn’t right… i mean why should any law monitor what i’m viewing..unless ofcourse what i’m doing is injurious to the society at large. but as some point out…freedon doesnt exactly imply complete independence…rather it means freedom under restrained conditions
newayz great post!
renegade_division Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 9:41 pmWell just bear with us till we settle down on a theme.
Suzy-Q Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 11:28 pmHey! Sorry for the delay on poems! I finally updated with another new post, starting with info and pics on my vaca, but at the end there is two poems! please enjoy!
wow. excellant post there! you make great points! and yeah, seriously, how can one define “extreme pornography” anyway? a definition in itself is so easily argued by laws of ethics that all conflict with one another. One can never be sure…and yet, to take away freedom of speech one law at a time…
it’s a good thing rules are meant to be broken. can you imagine what society would be like if people actually followed all the rules restricted upon us?
Suzy-Q Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 11:29 pmlol oops now i figured it out, sorry!
Arun Rafi Says:
May 27th, 2008 at 11:32 pmgovernment certainly is not doing what it supposed to do ..be it in India or anu other country..the failures of the govt are masked by putting such wierd rules that indulges people in other activities rather than cringing about the failures of the government and guess what ..now the gordon brown govt too is at an all time low ..as far as popularity is concerned..no govt can impose any kind of restraint on the human rights in the pretence of a false theme like anti terrorist law or others..
renegade_division Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 12:26 amGovernment is not suppose to do ANYTHING!
When govt is not suppose to tell you which girl to marry, and which job to do, how is govt able to tell you which porn to watch and whisch not?
renegade_division Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 12:27 amBefore you talk about kiddy porn, watching child porn is not immoral or a crime. The actual action of making a kid work in a porn movie without his consent, or his parent’s consent is the immoral act.
Suzy-Q Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 7:58 amthanks! and yeah i love that picture too, with the wind. its exactly how I felt. like…things are always trying to push my down, but i can still stand in all of it and spread my wings like i am free….hopefully that isnt so cheesy as i think it sounds haha but its how i feel!
and i changed the link, thanks for reminding me! i never would have remembered on my own hehe.
anyway cant wait to read ur next post! ill be at this hotel for a couple more days so ill actually have internet access for awhile! (until the road trip home…hmm)…
well, off to dinner. have a good night!
xlscior Says:
May 28th, 2008 at 12:10 pmeh heh some nice interesting info there…..
didnt know all of this
cheers to such an abstract topic, really enjoyed reading on it!
Alok Meshram Says:
June 4th, 2008 at 10:08 pmI like the spirit of the post. I’ve always felt that society has always acted in a direction in order to rob human beings of their animal identity, the one that nature has assigned us.
It is due to this suppression that people stop thinking, follow the force of the buried desires, and hence commit crimes.
Priyaa Says:
June 7th, 2008 at 10:35 amYou have done a nice blog. Keep it up. Your views are being read and enjoyed by all. You make others think. Nice
Anurag Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:36 amI agree!
Din know about section 67 :0!
Thanks for the great read.
@renegade_division
<i>Before you talk about kiddy porn, watching child porn is not immoral or a crime. The actual action of making a kid work in a porn movie without his consent, or his parent’s consent is the immoral act.</i>
>> Let me repeat these words to myself, because im not able to sense a cryptic message and neither a shred of morality in what you just said…
1) A childs consent?
2) Parent’s consent on behalf of a child?
W-T-F ? That has to be lamest explanation, if there ever was one, for kiddy porn to even exist.
Readers of your blog like mute visitors of an modern art exibition.
Anurag Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 amurgh sorry for the typos
renegade_division Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:20 pmI don’t understand why are you quoting my quote on difference between watching child porn and producing child porn and replying that?
What I said was, the mere act of watching Child porn(and perhaps shagging on it) on your comp or television is objectively not immoral or a crime.
Of course nowhere in this blog we use the term “moral” as in “what Hinduism or Islam or Christianity or US consitution or Indian constitution defines as”.
Rather we merely leave the morality of the actions to be decided by the rationality of an individual. If your rationality says something is immoral, bring it out here, if your merely wanna ignore rationality and go on with your gut feeling, then guide your own morals through it, but if the question about other people’s action, you will have to listen to the rationality.
Now coming to the topic of whether watching child porn an immoral or criminal act? The answer is no, the act itself without an context is, sitting on your chair and looking at the screen, this cannot be considered as a crime or immoral act in itself.
Now on the topic of whether producing child porn movie is a crime or not, that’s a different issue, and up for debate. When you produce a child porn, how do you produce it? did you force a kid to work in the movie? did you harm the child in the making of the movie?
The usage of force or coercion has nothing to do with the age, even a infant can let you know what is being done against his consent or not. If you coerce a kid to get his consent, he may rip you apart in a court on a future date for coercion. Before you talk about the impracticality of such a suggestion you may wanna consider making a law has never deterred a criminal from committing a crime. If someone wants to go underground after forcing or coercing a kind to make a porn movie, and never disappear for that future lawsuit, he can do the same today when there are laws against child porn, if he cannot be found today, he cannot be found in a kiddy-porn-is-legal scenario either.
Anyways in America simulated(computer generated) child porn is legal(not legal in Europe though). Possession of Child porn is a crime despite of First Amendment(which specifically prohibits govt from making laws prohibiting free speech).
Anurag Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:45 pmOkay I feel this is offtopic, and my radar detects evasive maneuvers. I dont know how child porn came into the discussion in the first place. The most kinky porn and kiddy porn have in common is the word porn.
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You talk on rationality used the R-word 3 times with exactly 5 commas. It just made no sense to me
Your R, my R, the R or the society, R wrt religion, R wrt to law. There are many Rs dude.
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There are only two kinds of people w.r.t to Child porno that are worth talking about. One who watch and posses. One who make and distribute/sell. There are no “sit and watch, and thats it” types. And even if there are, they are not worth talking about.
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Okay here are some statistics(source wiki).
You expect 59% of the kids in porn with ages between newborn to 5, to give consent before recoding a kiddy flick?
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Have you heard of a thing called Age of consent. The age of consent is a legal barrier to the minor being able to give consent and as such obtaining consent is not in general a defence to having sexual relations with a person under the prescribed age. So age of consent and the questions you raise about poor filming conditions hold no bearing by law or conventional/western rationality
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“making a law has never deterred a criminal from committing a crime.”
>> Huh? Then identifying and putting them behind bars has and definitely will. And laws are a parameter to decide who goes to jail.
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“someone wants to go underground…cannot be found…”
>> The fact that he has to go underground is good enough. Better if he gets caught.
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The production of child porn is ILLEGAL and this is “ratified by an overwhelming majority of the nations of the world”. Why? Go ask United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC).
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I say nobody “just watches” kiddy porn. 99% of the people have to be a partner in the online transfer/traffic of the files to be in possession of it. so possession is ILLEGAL as well. And lets not make hypothetical scenarios here.
> Section 163, Canada - “..makes it a crime to import, produce …”
> 18 U.S.C. 2251, 2251A, 2252, 2256 ” prohibit the production, receipt, distribution, possession …”
> Australian Parliament Report, supra note 24, at 2-3, 38 “..mere possession of child pornography illegal.”
for more http://www.crime-research.org/articles/536/5
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We cant leave all things to the rationality of the individual.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:12 pmSo, it is clear that you even do not know the meaning of rationality.
About your statistics, first of all, who took those surveys and statistics? Some idiot like you who does not know the meaning of rationality?
Anyways, lets assume* that your funny statistics are absolutely true.
So what?
How does it prove that rationality is been defied anywhere? Who is responsible for those 91% under12 children, you or the parents of those children’?
Weren’t they against Individual rationality? (But then you even don’t know what rationality is)
What will you do then? How will you stop? By attacking people? Umm you may do so, even Marx, Stalin and Fidel Castro did so, it won’t help.
And who we? Does that “we” include the parents or guardians of those children who are enforced in pornography?
And if it does, than why do you think that you should do anything for it? Why not they do for their own children by not forcing them in child pornography?
And if you are so much willing for social services, you may do allot against child pornography.
By making your funny laws you will stop nothing but make smuggling of pornography more flamboyant. It won’t stop by your ******* collectivistic irrationalities.
By the way, there is nothing like collectivistic rationality. Rationality is always Objective and applicable for each and every Individual.
Irrespective of all ******* laws of Canada, Australia and whatever place you mentioned, child pornography is at maximum there.
Anurag Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 pm.
Dear Diva, Not once have I made a personal remark. Appreciate your post, I hope you will give me a respect I deserve.
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The statistics were quoted from Wikipedia, all statistics backed up with study and references. Need we contest on this and make this discussion unnecessarily lengthy?
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If one says possessing/obtaining kiddy porn is NOT ILLEGAL, producing kiddyporn is DEBATABLE, indeed rationality has been defied, according to me. I have put up my points. You put yours and justify otherwise, im listening. Or just ignore them!
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What will you do then? How will you stop? By attacking people?
>> It seems you are the one who has difficulty comprehending simple english. Im not much against those who watch kiddy porn anyway. I would like them to stop tho. I want those who molest kids to be put away. Thats all. However both of those kindof people are PUNISHABLE by law. Have I made myself clear?
ps: Im only talking wrt kiddy porn here. please dont make assumptions oh what i think about other issues(kinky..britain law etc).
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Why not they do for their own children by not forcing them in child pornography?
>> What!?
I cant understand objectivity and rationality, i see only questions and im confusing them with apathy here, I beg of you, please explain. I am holding back.
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Irrespective of all *******">******* laws of Canada, Australia and whatever place you mentioned, child pornography is at maximum there.
>> What point are you trying to make here? I appreciate the concern of the various nations and their attempts to put pedophiles whose “individual rationality” lies in sexual gratification by filming themselves having sexual intercourse with their own babies. What do you suggest, if not “***** collectivistic laws of whatever places” ?
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If you look above it all, its actually the internet which has fuelled the spread of Internet pornography.
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@renegade - Peace dude. Dont go ballistic like her.
Anurag Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 9:30 pm*…their own babies behind bars.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:54 pm@Anurag
And how will you do it?
By exploiting kids and enforcing them against their will?
If a boy and a girl want to have sex who the **** you are to avoid them?
By the way, your senses are extremely dictatorial.
You think that your idea of age of consent are perfect, but that is not so.
Why don’t you try to read some real sense?
Want to read some UNICEF reports?
Try this.
The legal age of consent should be lowered from 16 to 14 for young people who are less than two years apart in age, according to an academic.
Dr Matthew Waites, a lecturer in sociology at Glasgow University, said criminalising all consensual sexual activity up to 16 was not appropriate.
His comments will be controversial given Britain’s high levels of under-age pregnancy and because they follow a damning UN study which showed Britain was the worst place in the developed world to be a child, partly because of early sexual intercourse rates and high teenage pregnancies.
The Unicef report said the UK took bottom place “by a considerable distance” for the number of young people who engaged in risky sex and became pregnant at too early an age.
For 16 out of 17 of the wealthiest countries with the data, between 15 per cent and 28 per cent of young people had had sex by the age of 15. For the UK, the figure was 40 per cent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1542843/Drop-age-of-consent-to-14,-says-academic.html
It clearly shows that while you want those kids of 14-15 to go to jail if they indulge in sex, and hence you want to exploit them, but general academic studies says that Anti-Humanists like you should not be allowed to exploit people. And age of consent should be dropped to 14.
Umm but that is UK, wanna read about India?
In 2006, Indian courts supported sex-activities of 15 year old girl as her free-will.
Obviously, anti-humanists like you will oppose it.
Read it http://www.reasonforliberty.com/reason/age-of-consent-child-molestation-and-legal-system.html
Anurag Says:
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:04 pm.
If a boy and a girl want to have sex who the ****">**** you are to avoid them?
>> What are we going to talk about next? America never landed on the moon.
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I think you are not getting the magnitude of the problem here.
You are chasing a utopia. You dont see the bigger picture and the current situation. As of now we need to focus on finding ways and making laws to protect children. And not bicker about preeteens(aged 12+) having sex.
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Why are you diverting the whole topic here? If you want my opinion about age of consent, ill tell you! But why bring it here. I talked about Age of Consent only because I wanted to show that even though adolescents(aged newborn to 12) even “…an infant can let you know what is being done against his consent or not..” and that even though they may give a thumbs up for sexual intercourse, its not permissible by law. Dont talk about fringe cases of 14-17 yr olds and that is why im not replying to your other comment about me wanting 14-15 yr old going jail … anti-humanists like me … etc.
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Dont create new threads of discussion. It will unnecessarily lengthen the bickering. I you cant the ~vibe~ of the talk we have having here(which BTW is totally offtopic to the actual blog post, so my apologies), I cant sit and explain everytime.
Anurag Says:
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:07 pmI suggest moderator to tinyurl.com the long links posted by Diva in her last comment, its distorting the boundary of the whole comments section on some browsers(firefox).
Anurag Says:
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:13 pmtypo, i meant: …teens(12+)… and not preteens
Unpretentious Diva Says:
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm@Anurag,
am not chasing a utopia, I am making you aware of the reality of the current era.
I am giving you real examples of todays reality.
I am giving you examples of Indian High Court and British University reports, I am giving you UNICEF reports.
Basically, its you and people like you who enjoys making human life a dystopia.
But anyways, that is why Autonomy is seeked upon.
Otherwise people like you won’t even flinch from attacking people just because they made a movie, or made a painting, or sung a song, or wrote a book which your mad attitudes doesn’t approves of.
Trust me, the dystopic situation people of such ilk want to achieve is slowly becoming an impossibility.
Anyways Its an advice give up your anti human attitudes.
Otherwise you will end Killing your daughters mothers and sisters because they didn’t use a hizab last time they went outside their home.
Unpretentious Diva Says:
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:53 pm@Anurag
Stop acting pn two way track.
It was you (i dont consider anti-humanists as human hence used “it” for you)who distorted the discussion by bringing child pornes while we were talking of Kinky porne and fetishes.
Now since you brought topic of child porne and child abuse, you must know that in India girl of 15 goes to high court to appeal against law and demands freedom to have sex with her lover and marry him. She elopes with him against her family’s constrictions.
In britain girls of 14 demands age of consent bar to be reduced.
So what is your idea of child abuse?
A 60 year old man raping a 3-4 year girl???
That is not sex or kinky sex or porne or whatever. That is Brutality, that is rape. And we were never talking of it, you brought it in between from air.
SUGGESTION::avoid disturbing the basic theme of post.
Anurag Says:
July 4th, 2008 at 12:47 am.
Refer Reply 8 in the list of comments by renegade _division. Thank you. Please review what you have just said in the light of this revelation.
Now since you brought topic of child porne and child abuse
>> Are you on dope?
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In britain girls of 14 demands age of consent bar to be reduced.
>> So you write a BLOG on that. K. You have a point there ON THAT ISSUE. I dont give a fcuk about it right now. Try to UNDERSTAND what I, I, I am trying to say here.
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That is not sex or kinky sex or porne or whatever.
>> Thats right. And that why honey im not talking about any of that. The actual action of making a kid work in a porn movie without his consent, or his parent’s consent is the immoral act. << That, and the following justification, are my only grouse. You are trying to drag me into the whole age of consent , kinky porn, 14 yr old girl demanding right to fcuk like a rabbit legally in UK/India etc thing. So you really wanna know? Okay. Ive feel ideally the age of consent should depend on an individual. But I feel from my personal experience, during the teenage years kids have a weird sence of judgement, whole puberty thing and psychology. And maybe with the changing times kids are comming of age younger. So maybe we should change the age limit. And its right to ask, who are we to set an age limit. Its a slippery slope I feel. Whole lot of morality and society deciding “whats good for their children” comes in. I honestly dont have a clear opinion here. So i cant give you my verdict on it. And so, id rather vote for things to stay as is and decided on a case-to-case basis.
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Dont misquote me. Refer to previous posts if you have the patience. Or peace out.
renegade_division Says:
July 4th, 2008 at 3:45 amCan you guys knock it off?
Anurag if you want I can let you make a single coherent centralized post with all the argument you have as a guest author. This blog has 250 unique visitors each day(which is quite a lot considering its only a month old).
I will let you link back to your blog too in the post will definitely get your some traffic too.
What say?
Anurag Says:
July 4th, 2008 at 7:18 pmYup, sure dude!
250 is great, my congrats to the authors here. Ive only started blogging recently, Blog does 200+ everyday.