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“For time is infinite, but the things in time, the concrete bodies are finite…. Now, however long a time may pass, according to the eternal laws governing the combinations of this eternal play of repetition, all configurations that have previously existed on this earth must yet meet, attract, repulse, kiss, and corrupt each other again…. Thus, it will happen one day that a man will be born again, just like me, and a woman will be born, just like Mary”
I always considered it as something related to eastern cyclic philosophies.
I wonder if it actually has any thing new in it.
Nietzsche further explained same idea of Hennie in his theory of “eternal recurrence”.
He hypothesized that there is infinite time and finite number of actions/events/process and hence, the actions will repeat repeatedly infinitely.
I at myself find it quite pragmatically testing. May be its like a game of snakes and ladder. I have an aim to reach to the top. Nevertheless, the ways are limited anyways (despite of all permutations and combination) and at one time or other, one game or other do keeps repeating.
Now if we take the world as an eternal process to evolve and get destroyed, while the process of evolving and destroying has no standpoint of origin or end, then it is quite obvious that every combination of matter and energy will be realized and repeated infinite number of times.
So if I exist now. And if I am nothing but Mass and energy, Then may be at some different point of time, I may occur again.
Therefore, you will, so will be the Pink Floyd Band I am listening right now.
This idea intrigues me as the idea of One by Bach!
Then Nietzsche described world (Universe) as a constant of changing and becoming.
If I remember right, then the lines were like “If the world had an aim it must have been reached”
However, Nietzsche suggested that the world actually has no final aim no final state to reach.
Therefore, the Nietzsche’s universe is actually anti-mechanic theory too. However, any mechanical process does have a starting point and an end, Nietzsche’s world is cyclic recurring eternally forever.
The most intriguing and confusing thing I found in it is Nietzsche idea that world is becoming (hence not existing, still in process of becoming) But since there is no end, the world will always keep becoming.
If I am the world, Its true that most of the actions I perform do keeps recurring.
If I am the world, its true that I never had any true aim, I chose my aims, completed, got further, never stopped.
If I am the world, then I am becoming everyday, every second.
However, I took birth, and I will die. (Is birth and death starting and ending point?)
Cyclic theory denies that. Eternal recurrence denies that. Does that leads to the cyclic theory of east.
I get confused (or attracted) about Nietzsche sometimes. I wonder if he had hypothesized something about deja vu or rebirth.
Even Nietzsche’s theory of time is like eastern Theory of time, The Non-Linear cyclic time.
Time is infinite; it has no beginning no end.
Its like, each moment arises, and dies the death of a moment, gives way to next moment to arise. It is not like duration, it is not like the linear time theory of Christian philosophy, it is like Vedic cyclic philosophy of time.
(Na Adi, Na Ant, Anant)
I have tried to grasp it to further depth. I have studied sub particles. I always kept dwindling between advaita vedanta and taittriya Vedanta.
Advaita says there’s Only One. and that is Urja/Shakti/Energy)
Taittriya says, There is Shakti/Urja/Energy as Primary Cause, and there is Material/Prakriti as Secondary Cause.
All the process recurring are the common cause of Energy and Material.
Nietzsche’s ideas support Advaita Vedanta, that there is One and that is energy.
(Chaos of energy)
He says all order evolves from chaos, structure from the structure less, logic from illogic.
So earth according to Nietzsche is nothing but lump of energy.
There are so many subatomic particles, so small. Science keeps breaking particles from small to smaller. At the end what will remain? just pure energy.
Nietzsche states that the cyclic process of structure is arise from chaos.
Will it end in Chaos?
I find Nietzsche very interesting and close to me.
I like Nietzsche more than that I like Spinoza.
But I do not support Nietzsche on the Concept of Chaos of energy.
I just deny Advaita vedanta.
I am extreme supporter of taittriya vedanta and I have reasons for it.
Look at the Einstein’s energy equation.
E=M.C.C
Now, consider that mass can be changed to energy completely as Nietzsche or Advaita vedantis suggests that its all Energy.
Then what will be placed at the variable M in that equation?
Zero?
It will make everything Zero.
No Particle can ever reach speed of light that is a truth of science, a fact until now, a reality.
So, although I support Nietzsche on Cyclic theory(intriguingly) as I just do not want to even think of what will happen after my death, I do rejects his idea of chaos of energy and idea of Advaita vedanta of Energy(oneness).
For me, the Taittriya Vedanta Holds the reality.
The Primary Cause is Energy/Urja/Shakti
The Secondary Cause is Material/Prakriti, and evolution structure becoming of universe every moment is the common cause of Both energy and material.
The Material and Energy both follows the Natural laws and none can ever break any natural law.
That is what taitriya Vedanta is, I take it as reality.
An overview by a friend -
Well I won’t answer both Nietzsche and Vedanta together. I am not very convinced of the relations that derive between the two. Nietzsche is a very potent philosophy; humanity has already witnessed the results of its misinterpretations once.
I believe the best way to analyze a philosophy is to first understand first the person behind it. I would say that a one eyed man tends to give a one eyed philosophy. Nietzsche son of a minister and a pious religious woman started off with extreme faith in Christianity and its theology. He in a very early age used to enjoying reading bible in seclusion and reciting it to others with extreme devotion and faith. Two major factors that led to him transgressing from this state of extreme religious faith to staunch atheism was the emergence of Darwinism in the field of biology and science and German Nationalism under the Iron hand of Bismarck. Darwinism destroyed his faith in Christian theology completely while German Nationalism under Bismarck which not only criticized piety and altruism among nation but also practiced Realpolitik. This Blood and Iron politics gave a new him a new definition if virtue based only on strengths and struggle. It in fact validated the struggle for existence as a universal virtue.
Annihilation of faith however left Nietzsche with many daunting questions about the fate and purpose of humanity. The Christian linear progression of time ending in Armageddon and kingdom of heaven meant nothing to him. His earlier works thus gave a naturalistic inclination where in he held evolution as the purpose in itself. In his work “thus spake Zarathustra”, where in he held man kind as a transitory phase in the evolution of superman or Overman. He said the superman will mock at us like we mock the apes. (Nazis took this concept of superman and super race rather over zealously and embarked on their catastrophic mission).
Conception of superman was however not the end of his woe. It soon occurred to him that superman cannot be an end in himself. His conception of time was infinite, the question what after superman was his next challenge super-super man or God was not an answer because time was not ending at there also. The concept lived happily ever after was unacceptable to him. It is here that he realized perhaps that numbers of actions possible are finite while time infinite. It is thus he concluded that actions will start repeating itself the way day and night repeats itself; that every thing will return back to the chaos the primordial soup from where it started. Thus came” For time is infinite, but the things in time, the concrete bodies are finite…. Now, however long a time may pass, according to the eternal laws governing the combinations of this eternal play of repetition, all configurations that have previously existed on this earth must yet meet, attract, repulse, kiss, and corrupt each other again…. Thus, it however destroyed all sense of purpose that life can possibly hold everything was reduced to mere occurrences in the face of time. (It is not to be confused with eastern cyclic philosophy of birth and rebirth because eastern philosophy is far from destroying purpose in human life; it in fact gives purpose transcending life and death)
Nietzsche here achieved a cyclic redundancy in time for all occurrences and action leading ultimately to nothing, thus he said “If the world had an aim it must have been reached”.
I would love to discuss how such a brilliant mind was eaten away by the internal conflicts within his mind against the morality of his time. How it led to his neurosis and finally relegating him to schizophrenia cutting him off from reality…or perhaps returning him back to peace and tranquility. It is however beyond the scope of our discussion here.
Coming to the topic of Origin of Universe I would like to go with Stephen Hawkins rather than any Vedanta. Vedanta’s are speculative knowledge. Wise men speculating about realities what they construe to be true. They are wise indeed that they do turn fairly accurate in their speculations, they may be right 9/10 times in their conception, I am however not ready to accept it as reality. I will go for rather analytical approach on the issue based on scientific observations and findings. Beauty here is speculations are very clearly demarcated from the truth as hypothesis. Further everything that is said has some logical backing to it. Scientific conception of universe humbly accepts the limitation of our knowledge and is willingly working towards more concrete evidence that speculating and concluding.
If we go by the present scientific model of universe Advaita Vedanta holds truer. The present model holds that at singularity (I am using this term not from relativity theory point of view as there is something called quantum gravity which prevents singularity from occurrence. I use it however to indicate the start point of our known time and space curve) Universe had zero size and so was infinitely hot. Every particle of matter instantaneously collided with antimatter and turned into heat. Not even light escaped from this singularity (it can be called pure energy). Moment the big bang occurred within one second the temperature would have fallen by about ten thousand million degree and expansion of universe would have prevented annihilation of all matter particle by collision with antimatter and photons or light must have started escaping. Further expansion and cooling (about one hundred seconds after the big bang) temperatures would have fell to such level that particles could no longer escape nuclear forces.
Rest is history, generally most scientist are trying to investigate this first 100 seconds only with more and more tenacity to remove the speculative component in it. Background microwave radiation said to have been released in this very early stages is being investigated for more truth. It may not come in our lifetime …it can be just hoped that it would come in the lifetime of humanity, before as Nietzsche says we turn back into soup.
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walker walkin alone Says:
December 11th, 2007 at 10:28 pmThis was very very interesting.
The world is neither becoming, nor existing.
The existence finds the world to be becoming, for the existence perceives the world to be progressing in time, and all appear to him to be in same state of rest in time. The becoming is hence perceived by him, for he is moving in time, and arriving at places.
This can be explained by saying that the motion is always subjected to the reference point of the observer.
So, I feel universe is existing even though i see it as becoming, not because of objective demarcation of objects, rather, because the time is the variable here.
Time is like a straight line? Perhaps quantum mechanics further establishes this point when it says that time is another co-ordinate. And I do not face any contradictions to enroll to this thinking. But there is one question though, why motion is possible in only one direction in this axis?
The question of matter and energy interests me too, and I think, I will be turned in to the same matter again. Now, I feel there is oneness in everything, and yet, everything is different. The existences are not mere manifestations, rather they are what they are. A castle is a castle, and a hut is a hut, even though they may be made by the same earthen brick. So, the idea of oneness is a preliminary concept, and idea of the organization of the constituents to form complex existences is a higher concept.
I feel, energy and matter are not essentially different, but they are characteristically different.
I have the same opinion regarding sexes, that it is a choice, that is represented.
There is a story in Upanishada where Bramha describes the “One” to devaraj and asur-raj.
Do you know the story?
walker walkin alone Says:
December 11th, 2007 at 10:29 pmI have more things to write on this…
But I want to think more
Natasha Says:
November 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 amHi, I was wondering if you could tell me a good book that I could read to understand the teachings of Nietzsche better. I would like to do a comparison between Vedanta and contemporary theories like what Nietzsche writes about or even existentialism for that matter. Please give some sources. Thanks
Unpretentious Diva Says:
November 3rd, 2009 at 5:33 amWell, I would suggest you the books of Nietzsche himself and then apply your own analytical powers to understand him by yourself and co-relate them with eastern philosophies or whatever you wish to.
You may get “Thus Spoke Zarathustra”, “Beyond Good and Evil”, On Truth and Lies in a Normal Sense”, “The Antichrist” and some other of his work at some online library. You will have to look for it.
For Vedanta, you may opt for Vivekanand and Dayanand Saraswati’s work.
Good Luck.