Comments on: An Interesting story from Pakistan http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html Because everything has a reason! Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:52:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: saleem awan http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-4236 saleem awan Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:16:52 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-4236 Tourism can always be a rich source of income for the countries like India and Pakistan. India in this regard improved its position, however as far as Pakistan is concern, We never explore its potential of earning from Tourism Industry. Alcohol and freedom of expression of beaches as required by foreigners. If somehow we manage to give this type of freedom on the beaches, we can attract many tourists to our coastal cities. Tourism can always be a rich source of income for the countries like India and Pakistan. India in this regard improved its position, however as far as Pakistan is concern, We never explore its potential of earning from Tourism Industry. Alcohol and freedom of expression of beaches as required by foreigners. If somehow we manage to give this type of freedom on the beaches, we can attract many tourists to our coastal cities.

]]> By: sanjith menon http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-3166 sanjith menon Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:50:56 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-3166 hi there. the politicians in pakistan are simply scratching each others back, for a foreign tour to be funded by the govt. wow, all on tax payers, er..american money to be precise. i want you to read this article in Daily times, 23rd Dec, 2009, by Dr. Ejaz, WASHINGTON DIARY: The gravity of the problem . hi there. the politicians in pakistan are simply scratching each others back, for a foreign tour to be funded by the govt. wow, all on tax payers, er..american money to be precise.
i want you to read this article in Daily times, 23rd Dec, 2009, by Dr. Ejaz, WASHINGTON DIARY: The gravity of the problem .

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-3138 Unpretentious Diva Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:32:27 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-3138 <blockquote>Pakistan is a whole other animal, with Islamic fundamentalism well grounded by grass roots support from the lower and lower-middle classes.</blockquote> I don't know much about Pakistan. I was just making it a point that like in any other theocracy, in India too, religion is being played as trump card for political motive and such political motives includes Bloodshed of masses. Yet, it is true that India suffers seldom. But then, we don't need many Golden Temple cases, or cases of atrocities against Sikhs, we don't need any more Babri Masjids and we don't need repetition of Aligarh or Meerut riots of Hindus and Muslims. India can be said much better society than that of Pakistan, yet, India is also not fully cured of theocratic violence. And Indian's DO suffer many such illogical theocratic bans and prohibition laws just like Pakistan.

Pakistan is a whole other animal, with Islamic fundamentalism well grounded by grass roots support from the lower and lower-middle classes.

I don’t know much about Pakistan. I was just making it a point that like in any other theocracy, in India too, religion is being played as trump card for political motive and such political motives includes Bloodshed of masses. Yet, it is true that India suffers seldom. But then, we don’t need many Golden Temple cases, or cases of atrocities against Sikhs, we don’t need any more Babri Masjids and we don’t need repetition of Aligarh or Meerut riots of Hindus and Muslims.

India can be said much better society than that of Pakistan, yet, India is also not fully cured of theocratic violence. And Indian’s DO suffer many such illogical theocratic bans and prohibition laws just like Pakistan.

]]> By: AK_Atheist http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-3137 AK_Atheist Wed, 16 Dec 2009 12:01:23 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-3137 Your comment that, "India is no better than any theocracy like Pakistan...' That's an interesting yet untrue statement, if you compare the number suicide bombings, fundamental religious terrorists groups, etc. Socially, the Indians share some of the same old school thinking, but let's not compare apples to oranges. Pakistan is a whole other animal, with Islamic fundamentalism well grounded by grass roots support from the lower and lower-middle classes. AK. Your comment that, “India is no better than any theocracy like Pakistan…’

That’s an interesting yet untrue statement, if you compare the number suicide bombings, fundamental religious terrorists groups, etc.

Socially, the Indians share some of the same old school thinking, but let’s not compare apples to oranges.

Pakistan is a whole other animal, with Islamic fundamentalism well grounded by grass roots support from the lower and lower-middle classes.

AK.

]]> By: Mystery of Referendums | Reason for Liberty http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2127 Mystery of Referendums | Reason for Liberty Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:46:00 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2127 [...] An Interesting story from Pakistan [...] [...] An Interesting story from Pakistan [...]

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2126 Unpretentious Diva Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:26:37 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2126 @ Vikram I am not putting word in your mouth, I am just trying to express the real meaning of your words in CORRECT perspective. Anyways, I have saved that in a new discussion, please see it, you will get the inhibited fault. here it is <a href="http://www.reasonforliberty.com/reason/mystery-of-referendums.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.reasonforliberty.com/reason/mystery-of-referendums.html</a> Here we are discussing Pakistan, tourism, Islam and ban on alcohol. Situation is, Pakistan is extreme poor country, it need to innovate ways to make wealth. Tourism is a big industry, which may help, but tourism is marred by irrational referendums (as you are supporting) based on Islamic laws. If they keep banning alcohol (no matters majority support it or not) the effect would be, no help from tourism to remove poverty in Pakistan. Even the tourism may further deteriorate if as you are saying that selling of alcohol should be banned (if majority supports it), because if it is done, why will foreign tourist visit Pakistan with those restrictive laws? From where will they get wine and alcohol if they need? On vacation, people come to enjoy and not for suffering totalitarianism. That is, if your idea is applied, Pakistan will suffer further poverty, people are already hungry there without jobs and are committing suicides, further more people will suffer because of hunger, starvation, poverty lack of medical facilities, because everything is wealth and there is no way to earn wealth, thanks to the ideas of banning. So who will be responsible for those deaths because of poverty? Did I hear someone answering Mr Rehman and people who suggest and support referendum for every other cause without percolating for the futuristic results? @ Vikram
I am not putting word in your mouth, I am just trying to express the real meaning of your words in CORRECT perspective. Anyways, I have saved that in a new discussion, please see it, you will get the inhibited fault. here it is http://www.reasonforliberty.com/reason/mystery-of-referendums.html
Here we are discussing Pakistan, tourism, Islam and ban on alcohol.
Situation is, Pakistan is extreme poor country, it need to innovate ways to make wealth. Tourism is a big industry, which may help, but tourism is marred by irrational referendums (as you are supporting) based on Islamic laws.
If they keep banning alcohol (no matters majority support it or not) the effect would be, no help from tourism to remove poverty in Pakistan. Even the tourism may further deteriorate if as you are saying that selling of alcohol should be banned (if majority supports it), because if it is done, why will foreign tourist visit Pakistan with those restrictive laws? From where will they get wine and alcohol if they need? On vacation, people come to enjoy and not for suffering totalitarianism.
That is, if your idea is applied, Pakistan will suffer further poverty, people are already hungry there without jobs and are committing suicides, further more people will suffer because of hunger, starvation, poverty lack of medical facilities, because everything is wealth and there is no way to earn wealth, thanks to the ideas of banning.
So who will be responsible for those deaths because of poverty?
Did I hear someone answering Mr Rehman and people who suggest and support referendum for every other cause without percolating for the futuristic results?

]]> By: Vikram http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2124 Vikram Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:31:40 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2124 Why are you putting words into my mouth ? Clearly cabbages, carrots and tattoos have little to do with alcohol consumption. Your arguments are all red herrings. People do drink, drive and kill people. This does not mean that people should not be allowed to drink or to drive, but suggests that there has to be some moderation that has to be agreed upon by the majority. And again, nowhere have I said that the referendum should be about whether people can drink or not, but whether alcohol should be sold in a state. Why are you putting words into my mouth ? Clearly cabbages, carrots and tattoos have little to do with alcohol consumption. Your arguments are all red herrings. People do drink, drive and kill people. This does not mean that people should not be allowed to drink or to drive, but suggests that there has to be some moderation that has to be agreed upon by the majority. And again, nowhere have I said that the referendum should be about whether people can drink or not, but whether alcohol should be sold in a state.

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2122 Unpretentious Diva Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:56:37 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2122 @Vikram After eating cabbage only many city drivers on Delhi roads killed many school going children. What if some crap scientist issues a research paper that carrot stimulates nerves just like alcohol does? Get a grip, who are you to vote for about what should I do , eat or drink? (don't take it as harsh question, take it as straightforward question) You are nobody (or do you think you are same bigwig like that Mr Muthalik the head of Ram Sena?) Also, so you want to say that What happened in Mangalore pub was right and those Ram Sena people were correct, because according to you, the Pub owner has no right to sell alcohol at his own pub because people like you may vote against that? (although you mat vote for it) Furthermore, you are more concerned with the people right to vote to RULE over Individuals tyranicaly and illogically. Why? why are you so against freedom of Individual? You may start supporting that women's group who beat Sana the pakistani girl in public, and you will then say that there should be a referendum whether a person can sport a tattoo on her back or not. <strong>Why do you want to control and rule over individuals?</strong> it simply does not make any sense. and alcohol is NOT TOXIC; and it is necessary beverage for many, who decides whats necessary for an Individual? he Himself. @Vikram

After eating cabbage only many city drivers on Delhi roads killed many school going children.

What if some crap scientist issues a research paper that carrot stimulates nerves just like alcohol does?

Get a grip, who are you to vote for about what should I do , eat or drink? (don’t take it as harsh question, take it as straightforward question) You are nobody (or do you think you are same bigwig like that Mr Muthalik the head of Ram Sena?)

Also, so you want to say that What happened in Mangalore pub was right and those Ram Sena people were correct, because according to you, the Pub owner has no right to sell alcohol at his own pub because people like you may vote against that? (although you mat vote for it)

Furthermore, you are more concerned with the people right to vote to RULE over Individuals tyranicaly and illogically. Why? why are you so against freedom of Individual?
You may start supporting that women’s group who beat Sana the pakistani girl in public, and you will then say that there should be a referendum whether a person can sport a tattoo on her back or not.
Why do you want to control and rule over individuals?

it simply does not make any sense. and alcohol is NOT TOXIC; and it is necessary beverage for many, who decides whats necessary for an Individual? he Himself.

]]> By: Vikram http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2123 Vikram Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:51:45 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2123 Eating cabbage and ladyfingers does not make one intoxicated, drink and drive and kill people. Food is essential, alcohol is not. I would personally vote for alcohol to be sold, but I understand if people are uncomfortable with drunks walking on streets. Besides, I did mention that people should be free to consume alcohol in their own homes. Eating cabbage and ladyfingers does not make one intoxicated, drink and drive and kill people. Food is essential, alcohol is not. I would personally vote for alcohol to be sold, but I understand if people are uncomfortable with drunks walking on streets. Besides, I did mention that people should be free to consume alcohol in their own homes.

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2121 Unpretentious Diva Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:29:53 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2121 Sunny Dear, even India is not any better than Pakistan, and I am sure more than Quran, the illsensed unworthy and self-controversial Constitution of India which was copy-pasted from UK constitution and other similar books should be rehashed rechecked and re-constructed. That is more necessary for India. Sunny

Dear, even India is not any better than Pakistan, and I am sure more than Quran, the illsensed unworthy and self-controversial Constitution of India which was copy-pasted from UK constitution and other similar books should be rehashed rechecked and re-constructed. That is more necessary for India.

]]> By: sunny http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2120 sunny Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:18:38 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2120 Diva, A Country, that's not open to liberalization and globalization and be within itself, is surely gonna fall head over heels. Pakistan its high time, where they start thinking of their existence. Visiting France, would not help, revisting Quran might. Quran, gives you guide lines for socail conrtibution and behavior, which were written centuries back. With time and again, pinciples and ideas are to be changed. It just gives you ay of life, not way one should ask others to live. I just think revisting Quran might, help them revive. <em>- Sunny</em> Diva,
A Country, that’s not open to liberalization and globalization and be within itself, is surely gonna fall head over heels.
Pakistan its high time, where they start thinking of their existence.
Visiting France, would not help, revisting Quran might.
Quran, gives you guide lines for socail conrtibution and behavior, which were written centuries back. With time and again, pinciples and ideas are to be changed.
It just gives you ay of life, not way one should ask others to live.
I just think revisting Quran might, help them revive.

- Sunny

]]> By: Unpretentious Diva http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2119 Unpretentious Diva Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:03:37 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2119 <blockquote>I think matters like an alcohol ban can be decided via a referendum</blockquote> So you think that public should decide whether I can use alcohol or not? Why? What more public should decide? Like whether I can eat beef or pork? that also public will decide? Whether I can eat carrot and ladyfingers? That should also be decided by public? Why? What is the logic behind this sort of slavery of public? More than that, what is the logic of public deciding what should I sell or not sell at my own pub my own shop or my house? Should public decide whether I can be a prostitute or not? Why, am I a public slave? your Idea of refrendum restricts my Right to live, my right to act free. You may think that Public should decide whether Afzal be killed or not, no matters Afzal himself killed 100s of people right? Majority rule is not the solution. if that is made the law, then many a times people decide to lynch others and kill them like animals, its dangerous. Referendums created criminals like Hitler democratically. Gandhi himself broke Salt law imposed by government, indian current government is also similar to the then British government. Indians are not free <strong>"Swaraj mera Janmsiddh adhikar hai" "Self-Governance is my Birth Right"</strong>, Why should I let majority goons to rule over me?

I think matters like an alcohol ban can be decided via a referendum

So you think that public should decide whether I can use alcohol or not? Why?
What more public should decide? Like whether I can eat beef or pork? that also public will decide?
Whether I can eat carrot and ladyfingers? That should also be decided by public?
Why? What is the logic behind this sort of slavery of public?
More than that, what is the logic of public deciding what should I sell or not sell at my own pub my own shop or my house?

Should public decide whether I can be a prostitute or not? Why, am I a public slave? your Idea of refrendum restricts my Right to live, my right to act free.
You may think that Public should decide whether Afzal be killed or not, no matters Afzal himself killed 100s of people right?
Majority rule is not the solution. if that is made the law, then many a times people decide to lynch others and kill them like animals, its dangerous. Referendums created criminals like Hitler democratically.

Gandhi himself broke Salt law imposed by government, indian current government is also similar to the then British government. Indians are not free “Swaraj mera Janmsiddh adhikar hai” “Self-Governance is my Birth Right”, Why should I let majority goons to rule over me?

]]> By: Vikram http://www.reasonforliberty.com/atheism/an-interesting-story-from-pakistan.html#comment-2125 Vikram Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:02:24 +0000 http://www.reasonforliberty.com/?p=2990#comment-2125 I think matters like an alcohol ban can be decided via a referendum, so next time elections are held in Gujarat, Mizoram and Manipur, people can also vote on whether they want sale of alcohol to be banned or not. Of course people must be free to buy it from other states and drink in their own homes. I think matters like an alcohol ban can be decided via a referendum, so next time elections are held in Gujarat, Mizoram and Manipur, people can also vote on whether they want sale of alcohol to be banned or not. Of course people must be free to buy it from other states and drink in their own homes.

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