Legal or Illegal : Prostitution

This is the second part of the series “Legal or Illegal“. Please read that article first if you want to understand the base of these arguments.

Legal or Illegal : ProstitutionToday in almost all the societies, modern or otherwise, western or eastern, world’s oldest profession is illegal. In the conservative societies, choosing this profession is like living the worst form of life, it is suppose to be he last resort of poor women.
But the question arises, if having sex with a partner of your choice is legal, how come exchanging money for sex is not? What changes when money is exchanged between two people for Sex? Its definitely not exchange of money because there is nothing wrong in exchange of money between two people. Its not sex either because two consenting adults are allowed to have sex (except for countries like India, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan where there are some restrictions).

So coming back to the killing kittens example, when I suggest people that in a society of pure Liberty, prostitution will be legal, people just revolt, the first knee-jerk reaction “but won’t evil people force women to work as prostitutes?.”

Well first of all, forcing women to work as prostitutes in such a society will still be a crime, irrespective of whether you make prostitution legal or illegal. Just like forcing someone to work in your fields is a crime, forcing someone to do computer programming for you on a gun point is a crime, forcing someone to work as a prostitute will be a crime. Like forcing someone to work in your house as a maid is slavery, forcing some girl to work as a prostitute will be slavery too.

So you see there is no change in status for that act which is certainly a crime. Now if prostitution is made legal, then only the women who wish to work as a prostitute will be in the profession. If there will be enough number of women in such a profession, there will be no incentive for those criminals who force women to become prostitutes do continue doing it. The prostitutes will be well paid, kept much more healthy, and be less exploited.

There will be a licensing of prostitutes by voluntary unions, monthly checkups by doctors and numerous disease prevention measures will be taken.

The second knee-jerk reaction I get from people is “Oh so would you like to see your sister or mother work as a prostitute?” People, people! There is a big difference between supporting the decriminalization of a voluntary act, and wishing to see my own family members do the same act without consent. Despite of the fact that prostitution is illegal, there are prostitutes all over the world; your sister might be working as one without your knowledge. Oh do you find that idea disgusting? Why not? Because you think you have given your sister some values? Well then why would they be becoming prostitutes just because it’s legalized now?

Objective Perspective: Let’s have an objective perspective of what prostitution is really. When you gift your girlfriend precious gifts and she returns it back with sexual favour (which could be making out with you, or even full intercourse), that is prostitution in objective terms according to the definition of prostitution. Would you really be in a relationship with a girl (or marry one) if it’s made clear that you are NOT getting any sexual favours from her? Or if you are a girl, then would you be in a relationship with a man (or marry one) if its made clear that he is never going to give you any gift or material benefits, you both have to pay your rent separately, you will have to buy your own clothes, jewellery etc, and just keep on giving sexual favours to him?
This, my friend is prostitution from a pure Objective viewpoint. A girl is merely being a prostitute if she accepts gifts from a guy, and then is at some point obliged to return sexual favours. Having a marital contract does not changes anything because if you don’t have sex with your spouse then that can become a grounds for cancellation(divorce) or even nullification(annulment) of the contract(marriage).
A voluntary trade benefits both the parties, take for example a milkman gives a baker his milk, and baker gives milkman his cake. Both the parties are not better off without the voluntary trade. Baker now has milk which he needed; milkman has cake, which he wanted to eat. Similarly, prostitution is a voluntary trade, and it benefits both the parties, and it’s no more just or unjust than a milkman-baker transaction. A prostitute has her sexuality; her client has money, after the trade both are better off than before. We never hear a guy being pushed into heterosexual prostitution against his will, not because everyman loves to be in that situation, but because the supply greatly outweighs the demand.
When there is a demand, somehow it will be fulfilled by the supply, whether you make it legal or illegal. In former case it will be met out there in open, in latter case, it will be met in a black market, in closed alleys. Whether you live in Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan or USA, prostitution is everywhere, do not take a moralistic viewpoint that our culture does not support these things. India has highest numbers of AIDS patients despite of its glorious 5,000 years old moralistic culture, its all because of back-ally illegal prostitution.

UPDATE: Well I just read about an experiment in Yale University with Monkeys.1 A bunch of scientists tried to train monkeys into using money. The monkeys exchanged stuff with each other using those coins, they even showed their preference by offering different amount of money for say Jel-O vs Bananas.
The best part was that female monkeys were having sex with male monkeys in exchange for money. Prostitution! It exists among monkeys too. Now it didn’t happen because of some inherent characteristic fault of money, after all just because monkeys traded with money doesn’t mean that it was some inherent characteristics of money which made them to those things, rather it means monkey brains are wired too for understanding and performing indirect exchanges.
Similarly it simply means that female monkeys perceive prostitution no different than any other exchange, secondly, its always males who have to give something to the female in order to have sex with her. When training a bunch of monkeys for using money, it comes up explicitly as prostitution.
Because if money wasn’t used in this concept and monkeys were only observed in their natural environment, people would have concluded “Awwe look that monkey is seducing that female monkey by giving her that shiny stone”.

Pre-empting arguments:

  • Chaos! Legalizing prostitution will create chaos everywhere – I am sorry but this is a de facto argument given to whatever I suggest. It comes basically because of what psychologist describe as “Fear of the unknown”. If you think legalizing prostitution will create chaos in the society, well then think again because according to psychologists you are saying that because you are unable to envision such a scenario.
  • Girls will be immoral, guys will become corrupt – I don’t know where you come from, but prostitution is pretty wide spread in contemporary society, its just that girls won’t admit it to anyone because of its in-acceptance in the society, and guys won’t admit it because its emasculating to admit.
  1. Monkey Business, New York Times []

44 comments for “Legal or Illegal : Prostitution

  1. June 10, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    I live in a jurisdiction where sex work is not illegal, though heavily regulated.

    “Now if prostitution is made legal, then only the women who wish to work as a prostitute will be in the profession. If there will be enough number of women in such a profession, there will be no incentive for those criminals who force women to become prostitutes do continue doing it. The prostitutes will be well paid, kept much more healthy, and be less exploited.
    There will be a licensing of prostitutes by voluntary unions, monthly checkups by doctors and numerous disease prevention measures will be taken.”
    That’s an accurate summation, but add in zoning laws too to restrict such activities to Light Industrial areas. When I was working at Ausspace, making satellites, we had a furniture store on one side, a brothel on the other.
    Canberra may be boring, but it’s not exactly a den of sin and depravity. The main concern for us is to make sure foreign sex workers get informed of their rights under Australian law.

  2. apeetha
    June 11, 2008 at 1:18 am

    the whole thing was an eye opener. I am from india too. and i guess there is truth behind the changes that would happen if prostitution was legalised. personally,  i am not against them but the stigma is hard to remove from the society, and i dont understand why ppl blame only the prostitutes, it takes two to a tango after all!

    great write, i actually listened to the whole thing.
    and your template deserves mention, it looked so magical when i first looked at it.
    keep more coming.

  3. renegade_division
    June 11, 2008 at 2:31 am

    @Zoe

    I live in a jurisdiction where sex work is not illegal, though heavily regulated.

    I too live in a jurisdiction where sex work is not illegal, though heavily regulated, just too heavily, the govt controls the price of prostitution, to ZERO. You cannot pay or ask money a price lower or higher than Zero Rs.

    That’s an accurate summation, but add in zoning laws too to restrict such activities to Light Industrial areas. When I was working at Ausspace, making satellites, we had a furniture store on one side, a brothel on the other.

    Oh come on, there is no need of zoning laws, I can write an article on Zoning laws too, but our readers here don’t understand what zoning laws are because its non-existent in India. But you can read this:
    Zoning is Theft – Mises blog

  4. Nalin Bakshi
    June 15, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    I agree with you on what all you wrote. It couldn’t have been written any better.  An eye opener for many I hope.

    Adding your blog to my list.

  5. June 17, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    I share a lot of difference of opinions to what u’ve written. You’ve made words like love,care,etc. sound very cheap.I agree with you when you say that prostitution will exist no matter if its legalised or not.But not when you say that “A girl is merely being a prostitute if she accepts gifts from a guy, and then is at some point obliged to return sexual favours.”
    Donot compare LOVE with PROSTITUTION.
    I hope the criticism will be taken in a healthy manner.
    cheers! ;]

  6. renegade_division
    June 17, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    @Meenakshi said:

    I agree with you when you say that prostitution will exist no matter if its legalised or not.But not when you say that “A girl is merely being a prostitute if she accepts gifts from a guy, and then is at some point obliged to return sexual favours.”
    Donot compare LOVE with PROSTITUTION.

    Well Objectively speaking Love and Prostitution are the same, the only difference between them is on Subjective level. One involves more exchange of love than other.

    Have you not heard of a Prostitution terminalogy called “GFE” or “Girl Friend Experience” where a prostitutes would give you an experience so that you won’t be able to differentiate between making love to her or to your Girl Friend. And as much surprising you may find it, GFE is a recent phenomenon. Most prostitutes traditionally won’t let you cuddle them, or even kiss them(from a fear of disease and disgust). In fact if you go to a Hooker review sites(yes they are there, Internet is a classic example of a govt less spontaneous society, if there is a need of Information, Internet will fulfill it), they provide you numerous ratings on customer satisfaction, and most customer ratings go for a girl who gives GFE and is really safe. So this is causing more and more hookers to jump the GFE bandwagon.

    I am not saying that Love is as degrading as Prostitution, but Prostitution is catching up with Love. In fact today you can become Sugar Daddy of any girl with consensual exchange of money and sex.

    Both people benefit from this exchange, usually its like a young college girl being a companion of a rich old man who needs some physical pleasure. But then whom are we fooling, she is a hooker, with a bit more exclusiveness.
    So there you go, a perfect legal form of Prostitution which erodes boundaries between love and prostitution. You cannot say that there is no love involved in such a relationship, because its for women to judge. I think a proper Hindi/Urdu term for that would be “Rakhail

  7. Shiva
    June 20, 2008 at 7:20 am

    Hello frnd!! your article is fine…
    couldnt get onething why we need to compare it with Love.
    Love is NOT prostitution, In Love you care your partner with heartfull feelings and  in prostitution its just a physical satisfaction…
    make it clear if i’m wrong in this

    Cheers
    Shiva(Hyd)

  8. renegade_division
    June 20, 2008 at 7:30 am

    Hey Shiva buddy, glad to see you here.

    Well if you really think that Love is different than Prostitution then you gotta separate Love and Physical pleasure.

    Can you really marry a women with the prospect of never having sex with her? Never Ever! Not the first night, not the last night. Because according to your definition that would be pure love.

    I to be honestly speaking am practical, I know no matter how much Love you are feeling for your partner right now, sooner or later it will blow away without any physical gratification.

    Second question is, if in Love you have true heartful feelings for your partner, then how come people breakup? Does that mean either it was not Love(then perhaps nothing is love) or it was merely an extended Prostitution.

    So if you broke up with your gf, without ever having sex, that proves my first point, no love lasts without physical gratification.
    If you broke up with your gf, and you had sex regularly(without any problems) then it wasn’t the lovey-dovey love you describe, because if it was the heartful feelings you describe then how did they went away?

  9. renegade_division
    June 20, 2008 at 7:33 am

    I think the reason why so many people are complaining about my comparison with Love is because this article destroys the pre-conception of Love from the minds of people. But that definition of love is purely the Bollywood definition. And we live partly in the world created in our minds by Bollywood.

    I would say its time to get real.

  10. Freesoul
    June 20, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Love is not prostitution.
    Yet love is value aided. you cannot love a girl or a boy because he has no skills, no beauty, no characteristic qualities which you admire.
    Sex is the simplest and most effectively important way to tell someone that you care and respect and understand the value of his characteristic existence.

    Love is surely not prostitution, because in love, sex is not brought or dealed over. In love sex becomes a mere medium to express the most sensitive and reasonified feelings.

    It is just an illusive way of the writer to compare love with Prostitution. But his intentions weren’t wrong.

    How and why will you love a girl who is ugliest you saw in your life(on your view) who has no skills, who can neither talk properly nor walk. who is fatty, unattractive and abusive and keeps trying to bully you. You cannot love a person because he/she is ugliest, poorest with no skills.

    You can love only that person whom you consider is worthy for you.

    Love is always value aided.

  11. Freesoul
    June 20, 2008 at 12:46 pm
  12. Freesoul
    June 20, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    @Shiva

    To love is selfish.

    Let us discuss the old movie Satyam Shivam Sundaram of Jeenat Aman and Shashi Kapoor.

    Jeenat Aman’s face gets a burnt and she becomes ugly. What does the movie depicts?

    Does that movie say that love is selfless and one should not love a person for his/her qualities but should love him/her just because he is a person?

     

    No. The moral of movie was different. The movie says that irrespective of her face being burnt, irrespective of being ugly on skin and facial counts and standards, Jeenat Aman proves to be irresistibly attractive and beautiful for Shashi Kapoor because of her excellent singing voice and skills. Because of her singing abilities and excellently beautiful voice, she wins heart of Shashi Kapoor, and irrespective of all illusionary ideas of Shashi Kapoor about facial beauty, the inner beauty of Jeenat Aman, her characteristic voice makes her worthy enough to be loved and respected.

     

    That is, you cannot judge the worth of a person on behalf of his/her facial beauty and skin colour. You need to understand his/her inner and inalienable characteristics including good behaviour honesty, bravery, loyalty etc, whatever you look for, if you get it in a person, you obviously fell in love with him/her. That is why we say beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.

     

    Now, every person has some quality or other which we may love. Hence it is said that we should love all and each other. Not because it is altruistic nature, but because it is very selfish nature. We should love each other because everyone has got some or other worthy quality/qualities, and those qualities should be respected and admired.

    But then again, every person has got some quality/qualities which we may not like/love and actually we may hate.

    Thus, it makes it an overall value aided relation. We tend to love the person with whom we feel great and enthusiast.

     

    Just like the case of the movie “Tare Zameen Par”. Ishaan meets many teachers and people. But he avoids them; he actually hates them and finds them repulsive. While on other hand, Amir Khan (Nikumbh) wins Ishaan’s heart, and trust, and Ishaan starts loving him, respecting him, which improves the self-confidence of Ishaan and he becomes excellent.

     

    Same is case with the recent movie Sarkar Raj you saw some days ago.

    Aishwarya Rai finds Hasan Qazi as repulsive and wrong, hence she rejects to work with him, while she finds values and ethics of Abhishek Bachchan worthy enough. She finds herself safe, secured and respected with Abhishek; hence she chooses to work with him.

     

    In fact, even Bollywood movies tell the truth in best way possible. It is just our brainwashed view that we do not realize the hidden truth that all are selfishly motivated.

  13. Shiva
    June 21, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    it is an eye opener for me, able to understand many things..
    thank you frndz
    one more clarification req… may be it is out of scope..
    if we go with this logic then people will be having multiple *** partners..  is it ok?
    Then what can be difference between us and animals?

  14. Unpretentious Diva
    June 21, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    @shiva
    so you think the difference between human and animal is that animals are polyandrous/ polygamous and humans are not polyandrous /polygamous?

    Umm don’t you feel your question is ridiculously wrong?

    You want to say that any human who has married two times or three times (may she was a widow) is not human but animal.

    You want to say that all Islamic males are animals because they are allowed to have four marriages.
    You want to say that Krishna was not human but an Animal because he had many wives.
    You want to say that if guy/girl has had sex before marriage, then he/she is animal.

    Quite confusing your idea of difference between animal and human is.

    Why don’t you read some biology to find the real difference between human and animal?

    The major difference between human and animal is THE RATIONAL FACULTY OF HUMAN, THE MIND OF HUMAN, and HIS CONSCIOUSNESS.

    Anyways, you need to read these
    Dowry- The Other Facet
    and more importantly this Emotions, Hedonism, Rationality and Morality in The Dreamland–Part 2

    By the way, it is Individual’s choice. Why do you think sex is so important for you? Do you live for sex? Why will your sexual activities show that you are animal or human?

  15. renegade_division
    June 22, 2008 at 12:06 am

    @Shiva Said

    if we go with this logic then people will be having multiple *** partners..  is it ok?
    Then what can be difference between us and animals?

    Isn’t it a very weak argument for anything “If we do ___ what will be the difference between us and animals?”

    Buddy we became different from animals the first time thousands of years ago when we first used tool. No animal has brains to use tools. Is there?>

    Unfortunately we haven’t have stopped having sex like animals yet. And funny thing this animal-human argument is only heard in Indian culture, nowhere else.
    We are animals, just in a more sophisticated manner. We can form groups, talk, think about our existence, cry, laugh, enjoy pain, pleasure, invent, discover, among the other things we do different from animals.

    Mere act of having multiple partners cannot be termed as animalistic behavior because it cannot be specifically attributed to animals. We have an act of being married to someone, it does not stops you from talking to other people, it does not stops you from living with other people(you can be living with a room mate in other city), but it stops you from having sex with other people. The question is why only sex?

    In fact here is a bigger more important question, if you are suppose to be married to a person you love, and you feel like having sex with another person, but still love your spouse, does that mean the marriage is null from now on? It happens more than you think. OR, if you are married to a person, and you now love someone else, what are you suppose to do? Forcing you to be still married would be slavery. If you are suppose to divorce and remarry, then what is the point of Marriage at the first place, why not call it simply “love”.

  16. Hunter000
    July 2, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Its not sex either because two consenting adults are allowed to have sex (except for countries like India,…

    Looks like you knowledge about countries is limited! For Christ’s sake, India IS NOT another Saudi Arabia!!

  17. Unpretentious Diva
    July 2, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    @Hunter

    Looks like your knowledge about India is Nill.

    Do you want me to mention the cases of Rohtak where a married couple was forced to depart and leave there only child alone under Panchayat’s care, just because the parents were of same gotra?

    or do you want me mention the case opf Rizwan murder in Kolkatta where Rizwan was killed just because he was 8in affair with a Hindu girl?

    Or do you want me to mention why movies like “fire, and Water were banned and opposed violently?

    or do you want me to mention case of bhopal, where not only a girl (who decided to love and marry a muslim) but every other hindu girl were tried to be tortured just because of her love with a borne muslim chosen atheist guy?

    Get brains and stop using that fake word “Christ”.

  18. renegade_division
    July 9, 2008 at 1:54 am

    @Hunter000

    Looks like you knowledge about countries is limited! For Christ’s sake, India IS NOT another Saudi Arabia!!

    Sex with people of same sex can land you in jail for 10 years.
    Oral sex in India will also land you in jail for 10 years(with a person of either sex)
    Anal sex too will land you in jail for 10 years
    Read Article 377 of Indian Penal Code
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_377_of_the_Indian_Penal_Code

    So tell me mr Hunter, how did you feel when you found out that India is actually not very different from Saudi?

  19. landy
    August 12, 2008 at 7:01 am

    brilliantly written article. I should probably bookmark this website. done :-)
    well to be frank, me and my friends have been having discussions on legalising prostitution in India and we did arrive at the same logical conclusion as yours…
    what i further like to point out is the chaos point. yes if you legalise prostitution chances are that it may lead to chaos, as a matter of fact you dont want to see a sight of girl soliciting you in open area when you are with your family, but then there are ways to prevent it by regulating the prostitutes to a specific area. Not only will it save the exploitation today faced by many girls who are forcefully bought into this trade but it will also help in controlling the spread of diseases because you know what actual numbers of workers are there and you can plan the health policy depending on that.

    and regarding your point the indian mentality, i couldnt agree more on it.been there done that, but still when it comes to admitting in  open everybody tries to hide himself under a mask. prostitution is a reality, the more we tend to deny it the more problematic it will become. Infact regading the mentality point  i will tell you a short story, i just came back from 2 months of internship for a MNC in some other country. it boasted of a flat structure in company. as a matter of fact it was, you can bang into your senior office and talk to him straightaway, but i am sorry to admit it was not quite the same for indian co-workers, they *cough* *cough* had a desire to make themselves feel important and wanted me to actually send a meeting request before  even if they were free…guess it is something to do with grooming(it was not an exception with indian colleagues rather a generality)….

    and finally, a request i would like to make, rather than referring to them as prostitutes i would prefer if you use the word CSW(Commercial sex worker) because the former sounds too degrading and is more of an opinion forming word when we dont have any idea why they came to this profession. CSW may not be legally correct term to use but i would still prefer it..

  20. landy
    August 12, 2008 at 7:40 am

    one more point i would like to make, shamelessly copied from some other author but made a lot of sense to me….in a country where prostitution is illegal, what CSW fear the most? getting  arrested by the police and they end up paying bribes or giving their services for free to them and if they dont they end up in jail. so this also leads to exploitation where they have no where to run and also society also treats them as outcasts. so what can be the logical conclusion: is it better not to have a law rather than having it when it is not properly enforced or is being used to further exploit CSW’s??

  21. August 12, 2008 at 11:47 am

    i have read quite a few pieces supporting the legalisation of prostitution, none so far which is so freakin close to my own views…..

    to all those going ga ga over love …  i know not what love is.  humans like all other species are born to multiply , watever we do is supposed to be directed to our getting some more sex. intellect arouses my sexuality , thats why i think and write, cos my conscience believes that that among other things will increase my sex appeal. and love is maybe just another excuse … as paulo coelho describes ….. its the ability to give 11 minutes of pleasure.

    and a nation is not homogeneous …. niether is it a haven like the internet

    hey diva .. i’ll come back for more !

  22. renegade_division
    August 12, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Note: Written by Renegade Division, not Unpretentious_diva.

  23. August 12, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    ya sorry again renegade ….. extremely sorry….

    unfortunately thats all i can do to cover up for my folly … so please bear with me … but i really enjoyed reading your views on Hypocrisy Of Anti-Reservation Activists … keep writing and  enlightening ppl !

    until next time ….

  24. January 14, 2009 at 2:35 am

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    February 13, 2009 at 9:52 am

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  26. ninja-inside
    March 12, 2009 at 2:45 am

    Well as Meenakshi said that there is lot of difference between Love and Prostitution, i personally agree with her too. Also what you have replied to Shiva by saying that whether a person can marry a girl and live with her without having sex, i will say that Marriage is not just a certificate for having Sex.
    Marriage is more then just having Sex. If it comes to ones life in Marriage, both of the couple can avoid even Sex….!!! So what is it. You know…. this is called as Love. And i think You have never experienced it. MoreOver what you talked about GFE… its Girl Friend Experience… just an Experience and not an actual Girl Friend… hope u get me. This is for those people who think a Girl Friend is just for some pleasure activity. In reality a girl friend is a partner which shares all moments of your life whether its Happy or Sad. Gives you company whether you are Miilionaire or a Beggar.
    And let me ask you a single question just think from both heart and Mind.
    Why do you get pleasure while having Sex…???

    Think upon this Q. i will putup my answer soon.

  27. March 13, 2009 at 1:39 am

    Why do you get pleasure while having Sex…???

    Ok that is the silliest thing one may ask. And to answer that would be further silly. Anyways, let me give you a hint. Ever heard of biochemical urges?

    Girl friend, or boyrfriend for me, is surely only a pleasurable activity. If i do not feel pleasure with being a boy why the hell i will be with him?
    And that pleasure obviously includes sexual pleasure too and that means, pleasure is not only sexual.

    In reality a girl friend is a partner which shares all moments of your life whether its Happy or Sad. Gives you company whether you are Miilionaire or a Beggar.

    That is so harsh on girl friend, why are you so anti-human anti-woman?
    Why should your girl friend share your crimes your faults your brainless activities?
    She is responsible for her life her acts, and you are responsible for yours.

    Nobody is going to imprison a woman just because her husband is a rapist and killer accused of seven murders.

  28. ninja-inside
    March 14, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    “And that pleasure obviously includes sexual pleasure too and that means, pleasure is not only sexual.”

    Means u agree that pleasure is not just sexual. So GFs aren’t just meant for having SEX. And think again when do u get pleasure other then having sex with your GF or BF…

    “That is so harsh on girl friend, why are you so anti-human anti-woman? Why should your girl friend share your crimes your faults your brainless activities?”

    I said good and bad times. why just consider BAD times.
    Also you called me as Anti Human and Anti Woman. Let us see who is Anti Human and Anti Woman.  Just tell me How many girls want to become Prostitute by themselves.
    If you give them some other Job instead of providing them an easy way of making money(i.e. Prostitution) , i think they wont choose Prostitution.

    “She is responsible for her life her acts, and you are responsible for yours. Nobody is going to imprison a woman just because her husband is a rapist and killer accused of seven murders.”
    Ha ha ha this was one of the idiotic thing that i have ever heard. I must say u have never loved anyone and never loved by anyone. If u do then u you wouldn’t have compared LOVE with the above lines you Quoted. A Love doesn’t ask anyone to live ALONE. When it comes to love the TWO person become ONE.

    “Why do you get pleasure while having Sex…???”
    Think Broad, think Wide… u said its a ‘biochemical urge’. Well its just as part of it. In how many other Bio-Chemical urges you get more pleasure then SEX…??? There have been lot of research been done on this Topic. Go through the research papers before posting your Idiotic comments

  29. Hank_E._Pankee
    May 13, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    I agree with a lot of what is said, and some I do not agree with. What may be the experience of some is not the experience of all. In my case, love is not equal to prostitution. But the love of my life is much more to me than a sexual partner. Sexual affection is just one way of expressing between us how I feel for her, and she for me. There were years when we could not be sexual partners, and yet our feelings for each other grew stronger all that time.  I actually love the smiles that I can bring to her face with my affections,  that is just as important to me as any biochemical urge that is to be satisfied. She many times gives me pleasure with no orgasm for herself as well, because it is another special way to bring a smile to my face. I would absolutely not continue to have sex with her if our relationship could only be a sexual one, and I have told her that, which kind of surprised her, considering how much I obviously crave to touch her and feel her touch. I have known people who were just sexual partners for me. And I also know what it is to love a person very deeply, with much trust and intimacy. I have to say that the intimate, trusting and accepting relationship is more satisfying, and if I could buy that for money, it would be worth any amount. I may just be an odd case, though, and perhaps others are actually buying the kind of happiness in relationships that I have found for free. But I know that I have never had the opportunity to buy this kind of love . Sex is great. It feels great. It satisfies a biochemical urge. But for me at least, love and prostitution are not convertible expressions. So it might be a good thing for people in both ways of experience to admit that maybe the way we individually experience love and sex is not universal and that others may experience things to the opposite way that we do personally. If there was even a chance that the kind of love which I have grown with my lover could be bought, I would try to buy it, because it is the best feeling I have ever known, to have such admiration for a person’s viewpoint and want to be intimate with them every chance that is had to be, and to feel ultimately desired and revered by them, and also to know that I could not pay the person enough money in the world to treat me the way that they do, and that I could not be paid any amount to act the way I do in regards to them, because money it is not so valuable to me that I would fake this. If a person can get their ideal relationship from a prostitute, CSW, whether it is a GFE or whatever, I say go for it because it is worth all the money in the universe to have such a wonderful intimate experience and a deeply respected friend and play mate (yes, sex is fun play for us often). But intimacy of that kind, with respect for her viewpoint and caring for her feelings and well being as well as the consuming passion in physical intimacy which is all felt to go both ways is only my ideal relationship, that I didn’t even know was my ideal relationship until I had known her for some years. Everyone should be free to seek their ideal relationships, even if that is with the GFE, or just sex with prostitute. But just understand that people who find that prostitute is not the way to find their ideal relationship may have a difficult time understanding that some can be fulfilled this way, and vice a versa.
    On the question of wheher it should be legal or illegal I definitely say that it should be legal, both because a person should have the right to do with their body as they wish, and also because I now see that some may be able to find their ideal relationship(s) through prostitution, and that is priceless, I believe.
    Thanks for the fascinating read!
    Sincerely,
    Matt

  30. Amitanand
    November 14, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Similarity between a Prostitute and a Girl-Friend etc goes only to some extent. There are definitely a lot of differences that you have ignored.

    I guess some ladies have already commented how they are different emotionally.

    Even logically speaking I would argue that they are different. The difference is in the motivation — which presents itself in the way things will be handled after “the breakup” or “your time is over”.

    Although you may exchange tangible gifts in both the cases. In the case of a girlfriend, your gf may hold on to her feelings (of love or hatered), but will most likely return or destroy your gifts. In the case of a prostitute, (assuming that they are professional) they would probably destroy the emotions — while holding on to your “gifts”.

  31. k
    January 29, 2010 at 7:48 am

    great article. Gives a lot of reasons why Prostitution should be legalized. Unfortunately, it is based on some serious assumptions ie the belief that individual utility maximization leads to group utility maximization , which as we have seen in the latest economic crisis, doesn’t hold good always. So the objective perspective of having free markets will not be beneficial under all circumstances.

    A good example would be traffic. Imagine traffic conditions if we did not have any police. Would individual human nature and thinking produce the same result.

    • Renegade Division
      January 29, 2010 at 8:01 am

      I’ve driven thousands of miles in regions without traffic police so I don’t have to imagine anything, life doesn’t come to an end without traffic lights or police, you just follow a small rule of ensuring you are at safe distance from others and not about to hit anyone, you don’t worry about the big picture and everything emerges into a beautiful pattern you could not imagine sitting in a western country driving under strict penalties of law.
      Take a look at it yourself.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsPCsW3_aUY

      And that’s an example of most of the arguments brought by people against a life of liberty, that because they find it hard to imagine how it’d look like so that means it must not exist.

      Back in 1999 before India had privatized telecom industry, people asked the same questions, what will we do if we have 20 different phone companies, how would I call my neighbor, what if I have phone number from company A and you have form company B, how will we call each other? Do I need to keep phones from Company A and B both in order for people of the both the networks able to call me? How will people even remember that many phone numbers? What if I move from one state to the other where my previous company A does not exist, will my number be lost? How will people contact me now? It will be choas everywhere.

  32. Ravishankar
    April 20, 2010 at 8:24 pm

    Hey , Thats a good post on the issue. Had the same thoughts and googled to find ur post . Good to find ppl arnd having similar views.
    @k says – “individual utility maximization leads to group utility maximization , which as we have seen in the latest economic crisis, doesn’t hold good always” – my friend the problem of crisis didnot occur because of the free market.The collapse happened due to the huge regulations on the banking system and government control over the system. Infact a complete free market doesnt exist anymore in the world. The US(once was a free market) is a mixed economy having huge regulations today. Its for a different discussion though.

  33. GS
    April 29, 2010 at 4:07 am

    although your article seems to be good but you are reaching to the conclusion without elaborating root cause of prostitution. if proverty is to be blamed then i dont think legalisation of it will make any difference. second thing, there is difference between social and legal acceptance. although later may be granted by just passing an amendment in constitution but former one really needs time.

  34. August 18, 2010 at 6:04 am

    couldnt agree more. you hit it right on.

  35. aisyah
    September 11, 2010 at 3:42 am

    i agree with renegade…

    do you really know what is LOVE IS ????

    how come you said that it was a big difference, please open your mind..
    do you only love your family, cause out there are many people concern about their children..they might be not as clever as you but they have a motherly feeling to keep their family safe.. how could you say it was a big difference between you and your family…??
    it was as same as telling other to jump at the mouth of crocodile while keeping your own family safe..how cruel are you!!!

    please put some love and put yourself in the shoe of others before writing..

    how if your husband and you have sex one nite, the he gave you 100 thousand..saying thank you for serving me..for me ” my love is not that cheap..coz money could never buy”

    put love to others please….i love you..TQ !!

  36. aisyah
    September 11, 2010 at 4:05 am

    “Fear of the unknown”…..

    as you stated..why should we fear to the unknown right??

    it is only applicable for only certain circumstances..

    if you have faith..

    “FEAR of GOD”..we do not know the face of god, why should we fear for..

    “fear to die”..we did not know the feeling to die..
    should we try to jump from the Everest mountain?

    we should have fear in our heart, to avoid from anything undesirable to happen..it make us to be careful

    if you are not fear of ANyTHING…i would say you are so BRAVE..but you might be a clumsy person..that keep try and error..

    a wise person is to learn from the past not deciding any decision she want by only holding the certificate of BRAVE..it is FOOL…

    like people said..: study SMART>>”

  37. aisyah
    September 11, 2010 at 4:10 am

    and..please approve my comment to appear at you blog..do not delete it…let others to read…be democracy ;)

  38. Madz
    June 14, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I’ve noticed that everyone who thought they had a valid argument, once proven wrong, didn’t reply. Instead they will still believe their own confused opinion, even though an explanation as to why they are wrong has been placed right in front of them.

    In relation to an earlier post about things that make humans different than animals. Ignorance is a big part.

    For example. A wild dog feeds off of rabbits. This is how the dog gets his food. Every 2 months, the rabbits move location, and the dog has to follow them too, in order to continue to survive.
    One day the dog wakes up to find the rabbits have moved.

    The dog has 2 options,
    1. The rabbits were here yesterday, so I believe they are still here today.
    2. The rabbits were here yesterday, but they are not any more, I should go and find where they have gone to.

    To relate this to humans.
    1. I have a certain belief about prostitution. New evidence has been displayed to prove my belief wrong, but I thought my own belief was correct yesterday, so it must also be correct today, no matter what the new evidence says.
    2. I have a certain belief about prostitution. New evidence has been displayed to prove my belief wrong, so I will consider this new evidence from a neutral perspective and if it is more rational than my previous belief, I will accept it as my NEW belief.

    An animal understands that it is better to become more educated, than it is to ‘hold on to an old belief, so as not to hurt my pride’. Ignorant humans value their pride more than their education, which is simply ridiculous.
    In my example, the dog should naturally take option 2, as this would allow him to survive.
    Also, the human should also take option 2, as this is a more rational explanation, which therfore would make give the human a higher education of the situation. Instead, those ignorant humans refuse to believe option 2, because apparently their ‘pride is more important’.

    Now I have presented you with this information and explanation, are you going to become more educated, or are you one of the ignorant humans who will rather stay in the same place and perish, than use some common sense and follow the rabbits.

  39. Silver
    July 17, 2011 at 1:02 am

    I think an amendment is in order. People seem to think that you are saying that an example of an aspect portrayed is the entirety of the full measure.
    Maybe you should clear up in the post that when you are comparing the giving of gifts to a loved one who later provides some form of sexual return to the exchange of a valued commodity ($) to a CSW for sexual return that you are simply comparing the act, not the intent.

    As for what makes sex pleasurable. Technically it is the release of endorphins and dopamine in your brain which cause a shift in perception. The same gratification can be acquired by other means though because of our retained rationality we infer different things. This can be observed in the BDSM community where things of no sexual manner whatsoever are used in means to elicit the same responses from people as if actual sex were involved.

    As for what makes us different from animals… in a biologic sense, absolutely nothing. We are a parasitic mammal (parasitic because we need a host -planet- to survive). On an intellectual level, however, very little still, it is only the propensity to be ABLE to place ourselves (mentally) into the position of another thing that defines us.
    Other animals have learned to use tools. Monkeys use sticks to get ants and termites out of the ground, otters use rocks to open shells, gulls drop the shells onto rocks to open them… just some examples. Even the use of money is an example of using tools, as money in itself is nothing but a tool to denote the perceived value of another commodity, so in your example, they learned to use a tool. Now, on that note, the structure of a human brain does tend to have more function dedicated to reasoning and less to instinctual survival then other animals, but in the end we are all just self glorified animals ourselves.

  40. Silver
    July 17, 2011 at 1:08 am

    note that ABLE does not mean that people always do, just that the capacity is there.

  41. Silver
    July 17, 2011 at 1:21 am

    Also, about the working thing. In San Fransisco in the early part of the 1900s a group of Prostitutes stated that they were driven to the profession by poverty, but when asked if they would leave it for a job that payed $8-$10/week (then a good wage) they laughed, they were making more then that. So, no, I do not think that simply offering ‘a job’ would change a mind, it would have to be a job more gratifying then what they already have.

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