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India government should pass a law that “ISP’s should block all such sites other wise company officials in jail they cant come out in any way”.So our peoples in India cant reach that stupid resources over internet.

Arresting the people who watch pronography is not good idea, if good then police in India should arrest more that 40% of peoples and put all them to jail.For accomodate this large number of people Government should pass a multibillion dollar plan to build large number of jails.

That said, we must know that humans are sinful and have broken the law of God. As such there will always be pornography and prostitution…on this side of the world. Now does that mean that it is not wrong? Oh yes it is. The only thing we can do on individual level is to turn to Christ and seek his grace and say no to porn or prostitution. It also means to be in relationships where we are accountable and mutually benefit. Sex should happen in relationship of marriage. If one or both the partners have an inclination to porn they should seek help and must be caring towards one another to mature together.

One spouse cannot hate the other because of porn but must rather love and the other to grow up and face love and life.

I would like to add that pornography might actually prevent crime(see link). The desire that is the part of definition of a human such as hunger, thirst, curiousity, and desire for lust should not be suppressed or oppressed but be exercised in a harmless manner. Providing harmless outlet is an only healthy solution. Like what paintball is to shooting people, what movie is to desire for romantic adventure, and what rock music is for hatred of the establishment.

Is this an similar issue to legalizing drug? since the only victim/perpetrator is yourself?

http://homepage3.nifty.com/hirorin/loli03.htm
proportional relationship of cencorship to crime rate in japan.

“If you were barely touched, or someone you know was molested, you go take part in rallies against molestation and join support groups etc etc. But if you were totally wrecked by it, you just have way too many problems to worry about anything else but yourself.”
Second, that is not true. I know many people who were horribly abused as a child actively taking part in trying to stop it or help others. Some people are totally wrecked to not be able to worry about anything else, but that depends on the individuals and the circumstances they were in and are in.

“All your phony anger against pedophiles is just baseless”
Seriously? Phony anger, huh?

“all the child sex abuse victims can tell you something, child porn in no way is same as actual child abuse.”
That is just plain laughable, my dear, if child sex abuse victims actually say that child porn is in no way the same as actual child abuse. I guess all those organizations putting all that effort in capturing/finding those who film, burn it on CDs or distribute it or trade in it are wasting their time. If you don’t think it’s the same, then fine but come on! all the child sex abuse victims.

(See, no name calling…)

People who watch child porn are criminals. This is an objective standpoint. What you said is subjective.

No objectively the action of watching a bunch of images streaming one after the other is not an act of aggression on anybody. IF it is then any act of watching movie would be aggression.
Even if you don’t wanna go that far(but wanna engage in the objective/subjective debate) then you watching rape videos(there is a huge market out there for rape videos), or not just that, you watching NEWS, or a clip say Rodney King’s brutal beating is a crime(he wasn’t consenting to be beaten up), you watching war footage is a crime, you watching riot footage is a crime, because if you are aggressing against children by watching child porn, then you are committing aggression by watching video of any real world aggression.

If you are consistent enough then you would apply your theory consistently. Make ‘World’s most dangerous police videos’ illegal. Make biographies about real world criminals illegal. Newspapers must also be illegal because poor people are being aggressed upon and you are reading about it, thereby creating a demand for more crime.

Look I am not saying that using children for making porn is not wrong or aggression(but I wouldn’t really blame you considering 9 out of 10 people who read this article assume the same, they willfully ignore what I wrote). MAKING CHILD PORN USING CHILDREN IS WRONG, but the act of watching a child porn is not, the act of filming is not, the act of burning it on CDs or distributing it or trading in it is not.

There is a big difference between the child porn pedophiles watch and movies like Hostel or kill Bill. Also, how do you know watching it is not leading to something more sinister and potentially dangerous?

Its a shame that you earlier talked about objective and subjective viewpoint, clearly you have absolutely no idea what those terms mean.
Objectively speaking either committing an action is a crime or its not a crime, the results thing, and those leads to a crime are not crime.

Thinking about a crime is not a crime.

Call me all the names you want, but just letting you know, you have stumbled upon something which you have never heard before or you live in a society where even talking about it is the biggest crime ever, that’s why you find me so ‘out of my mind’. The fact is Child porn is literally the biggest weapon in the hands of the government. Even writing about it like this here, puts my ass on the line. Judges can issue warrants to have my comp searched based on this article, feds come breaking my door down and I am done for good.

There is this story of an ex-marine whose computer was found having a folder with 3000 porn images with about 60 of them being child porn, its ISP reported him to the cops, and feds came bursting in. He says he has no idea of how those images came to his computer(honestly speaking I believe him, pedophiles don’t keep only 2% as child porn), in fact if you have ever talked to a pedophile, they don’t even need child porn to get off, Sears catalog is good enough for them.

I mean let me ask you this simple question Anon, what do you think is the solution for men who find pre-pubescent children sexually attractive?

Do you think there is any difference between two pedophiles, one who constantly preys upon children and other who has vowed to never harm any children but to off himself from simulated child porn, even real child porn(when I say that its a heavy stress on the part that he has never harmed any kid and never will, but he would watch child porn)?

Do you think it is possible to have a society where a man who works in office, has a wife, a sub urban house, but finds children sexually attractive, and gratifies himself only with porn, or role play, or goes to special clubs where adult women who look really young strip? I mean he is a well known man, and parents wouldn’t leave their kids with him, but he promises to not harm any kids, in return he gets to keep his life, job, be open about his desires.

I mean take a look at Homosexuals, what did they do before they started coming out? What do they do now in countries where homosexuality is still illegal? Do they not live without ever having sex with another person of same sex? Even those who do they do it with other consenting adults. I am not comparing homosexuals and pedophiles, but merely pointing it out that homosexuality had the same status(or even has the same status) as child porn now, historically.

The question you should think about is, if there is some person who finds children sexual attractive, what options do you wanna present to him? Currently, its just ‘you shall never speak about it, and never think about it’. How is that working out for the society? Does that ever work?

Child pornography is a multi-million dollar industry in the world, dumb***, because they are getting away with using children in such a fashion.

You do realize that child pornography is not legal in any country in the world? So how the hell are they getting away with that? You mean to say laws do not prevent anything from happening? Then you call me out of my mind when you yourself talk crazy stuff like that.

The reason why child pornography is a multi-billion dollar industry because of the attempts made to shift the supply curve inwards don’t really affect the demand. Child porn is merely information, and one pedophiles gets it, he can easily supply and copy it to others easily. And because pedophiles cannot really come out of the closet and try to do something about their issue in open, they will always try to hide themselves. So you will always live in this fear of not being able to trust anyone in the society, and the real people who have the ability to harm your kids, be still manage to harm them.

Anon, you speak exactly how every other non-molested person speak, full of rhetoric. If you were barely touched, or someone you know was molested, you go take part in rallies against molestation and join support groups etc etc. But if you were totally wrecked by it, you just have way too many problems to worry about anything else but yourself. All your phony anger against pedophiles is just baseless, because all the child sex abuse victims can tell you something, child porn in no way is same as actual child abuse.

People who watch child porn are criminals. This is an objective standpoint. What you said is subjective.

From the article you mentioned child pornography movies where “old actors to dress up like kids, and using computer generated pornography.” If you mean people watching that is not criminal then I guess not, it’s freaky sliding scale morality attached to it but the actors themselves are (hopefully consenting) adults.

But if it is reference to the porn that is unfortunately so prevalent on the net and uses children in horrific ways that impact on THE CHILDREN’S LIBERTY then yes, those people who watch it in the privacy of their own homes are criminals. Just because it is in their own home does not mean to preserve the pedophiles liberty, they should not be punished. Pure liberty, as you keep referring to, would mean the children are also taken into consideration when those people watch and take pleasure from seeing children (who are treated in disgusting, degrading ways with barely any understanding of what is going on) in sexually explicit scenarios.

There is a big difference between the child porn pedophiles watch and movies like Hostel or kill Bill. Also, how do you know watching it is not leading to something more sinister and potentially dangerous? Because they say so or you’re psychic? By watching it they are actual criminals because they are participating in a wider crime. They are the demand portion of the supply/demand business of child pornography and are aiding the suppliers by taking an ACTIVE interest. By criminalizing them they can be monitored, although it would then depend on how good the system is that monitors them.

Just because somebody just watches and does not rape (reference to your comment about Japan), or behead (Iraq) or sexually harm a child does not make them thought criminals. Anybody is capable of turning fantasy into reality.

I just reread your article and your comments in response to people and there are way too many things to well frankly correct you on. I agree with ‘blue’ you’re out of your mind.

Pornography with consenting adults as movies that are made in the same way the mainstream movies are like hostel and kill bill, there is no problem with that. It is just another movie. But the issues surrounding child porn…
Criminalising it will not give incentive to produce more, watching it does. And one does not have to criminalise it for those people to know who wants to see child pornography, they know, they have their contacts etc. Child pornography is a multi-million dollar industry in the world, dumb***, because they are getting away with using children in such a fashion.

Clearly, there are sociopaths out there with an extreme sexual fascination with the idea of rape. They are desirous of such videos, and would probably pay for videos depicting actual rape. However, no such videos exist, and the market is entirely dominated by staged rape videos.

So here we have a case where (1) there is a market demand for pornography depicting an illegal act and (2) because the underlying act is still EXTREMELY illegal, no such pornography exists in the wild. This is exactly the same case as with pedophilia. Legalizing the possession of child pornography is not going to spur the child rape industry any more than the legality of rape porn has spurred the rape industry.

Another point one should make in this case is also the out-of-hand nature of the prosecution for possession of child pornography. I read a lot of technology blogs and consider myself quite knowledgeable, but I am by no means any form of elite hacker. However, I have read about 2 important things, (1) Darknets – Fully anonymous networks that anyone can connect to where all traffic is heavily encrypted end-to-end and (2) WPA/WEP password cracking software.

Let’s say I don’t like my neighbor for whatever reason, maybe his dog is always barking. Well, he has wifi, and I can see it from my house, but it’s password protected. So I buy a specific type of wifi card, load up my password cracking software, and after a week or two, I get the password to his network. Like most people his home computers are probably being shared over the internal wifi network. Now that I have access to his network I can easily gain access to his shared folders, and with a bit of skill I can gain access to all his drives. All I have to do now is connect to one of these darknets, download some child pornography, and load it onto my neighbors computer. I drive to a pay phone, call the police, tell them I’m an acquaintance of his and was using his computer when I saw child porn on the machine in X directory.

Now, the law enforcement agents will get a warrant, bust down his door, and he will go to prison for a very long time. There is absolutely no defense against this. Even people who have been caught with OPEN WIFI NETWORKS, living in dense apart complexes, have been prevented from using the “someone stuck it on there” defense. With a closed network, a defense attorney wouldn’t even consider using this defense.

So, as the laws stand now, I or anyone else with a drop of tech savvy can drive around town picking off and ruining the lives of anyone with a wifi network who pisses me off. Maybe I could just do it for fun, they excitement of seeing the poor targets in the paper.

This situation is ridiculous and the disparity between law enforcement’s understanding of technology and that of a high school student is so huge that given the current legal system there is absolutely no hope of eliminating this threat.

I have a question:

A person who hired a hitman (planned the death of another person) would be charged of a crime right? Because hiring a hitman is an action?

While a person who planned how they would murder another person, in their mind, would not be charged of a crime right (thought crime is not a crime?

Looking forward to your response to Amitanand question as well.

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Editor: You can use <br> tags. Although our CSS formatting will eliminate any extra lines(so you cannot put double newlines).

There are a lot of crimes in which it is impossible to (a) prove weather or not a party is at fault, or (b) for such a party/individual to stop committing the crime — even if he wanted to.

For example, Drunken driving by itself causes no harm to others. Unless, ofcourse the drunk person kills somebody. It can be argued that even if the drunk person kills somebody, he has probably not done it intentionally, but was just buzzed enough to not be able to react in time.

A similar case can be created for driving within speed limits, etc.

The point I am trying to make is that for some issues, prevention is the only solution.

And, if such preventive measures are to be enforced by an external person/entity other than oneself — it has to be based upon something that can be externally seen/proved.

Weather or not you have more than 0.08% alcohol can be easily verified. Weather or not you are sober enough can’t.

Weather or not you are speeding can be checked. Weather or not you are in control of the vehicle cannot.

Similarly, with some middle-eastern societies, weather or not an un-related couple is seen in public can be verified. Weather or not they are involved in something immoral (as per the definitions of their society) cannot.

Weather or not somebody is in possession of child porn can be checked. Weather or not he will exploit a child, if he comes in contact with one, cannot.

well in my book watching child porn is a crime….its just plain wrong.

Watching child porn is a thought crime, if anything. What other thought crimes are we willing to prosecute from an objective viewpoint?
Lets say if someone likes to watch rape porn(which are produced in mass quantity in Japan), should we punish him even if he never in his lifetime commits a rape?
What if someone enjoys to watch beheading videos from Iraq? Do you think we should prosecute them, because anyone enjoying the beheading videos is just plain wrong.

What about someone who likes violent movies. I mean all guys enjoy action flicks. Don’t you think Quinton Torontino (director of Kill Bill), must be having a real sick twisted mind to produce movies like that? How about anyone who watches ‘Hostel’ all the way to the end?

Are you getting where am I going with all this? The truth is, its an irrational viewpoint that people who watch child porn are criminals. The only reason why you think that way because you are enraged by the idea of someone enjoying child pornography.

A rational approach would either consider all the thought criminals as real criminals, or someone who considers none of the thought criminals as real criminals.